QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03 off topic...i'm pretty sure i'm alone here, but i'm not a big fan of grades. i'd much rather be standing trackside watching a BNSF intermodal train doing 70mph through central Illinois...
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Originally posted by wallyworld [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kevarc Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Richland WA 361 posts Posted by kevarc on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:44 AM Iager to Bluefield WV. Sandpatch is next Kevin Arceneaux Mining Engineer, Penn State 1979 Reply wallyworld Member sinceJuly 2002 From: A State of Humidity 2,441 posts Posted by wallyworld on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:38 AM Saluda NC..the steepest in the U.S. One of my favorite videos is "611 Redux" which documents N&W 611 battle against this grade both up and down. Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he needs more of it than he already has. Reply bbrant Member sinceFebruary 2001 415 posts Posted by bbrant on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:11 AM Sand Patch, Sand Patch, Sand Patch!! Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,820 posts Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:34 AM Glorietta Hill (and you get Raton, Apache Canyon & Mora's Canyons as part of the bargain) [:D][:D][:D] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:52 AM ...Old Timer: How may tracks is {was}, the area of N&W through the Allegheny's you relate in your above post....? Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:07 AM I would have to say the Cajon pass. Big volume, beautiful scenery & a big grade. All in one spot! [:I][:D][:p] Originally posted by apusztai [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...Yes, the eastern side of the grade up the Allegheny's...From Altoona to Summit. I.8% avg. grade.....Horseshoe curve and at one time 4-tracks wide and ROW still that width...and now 3-tracks. Don't know the count of traffic now in 24 hr. period but it is substantial....Tunnels at the summit to get under the last few hundred ft. of mountain. Ex. Pennsylvania's Broadway route and now NS. [#ditto] I would even go further and say between Johnstown and Altoona as my favorite mountain grade. I know my beloved Conrail was sending between 50-55 trains a day over the Alleghenies, (January TRAINS 1985) and I think NS may be sending even more. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:20 PM N&W's Alleghany Mountain in the pre-Virginian-merger-'50's. Handled more tonnage per 24-hour period than any other stretch of railroad in the world, even Horseshoe. Handled fourteen passenger trains in each direction. Handled a branch line train. All with steam locomotives. The problem was, that since they didn't have to drive 3000 miles to get there, railfans didn't care, much. Their loss. Old Timer Reply Edit TheS.P.caboose Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Canoga Park (Los Angeles) 494 posts Posted by TheS.P.caboose on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:04 PM I like Tehachapi and Cuesta. Tehachapi because of the freight traffic and all the tonage it plays host to and the horseshoe curves. I like Cuesta because passenger traffic rolls over it. Regards Gary Reply ericsp Member sinceMay 2015 5,134 posts Posted by ericsp on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:55 PM Mine is probably Tehachapi. "No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:03 PM Tehachapi. Hands down Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:13 PM Tehachapi. I love seeing a long train run over itself on the loop[8D]. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:56 PM ....Guess I should mention Saluda grade in NC, but alas it too now is closed...Not abandoned but closed for the unforeseeable future. 4.7% grade...! Several miles. Quentin Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:36 PM The not-much-used-anymore Tennessee Pass. Only got to railfan that once before they shut her down. Still holding out hope that someday they may re-open it. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply gbrewer Member sinceAugust 2001 From: US 240 posts Posted by gbrewer on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:30 PM Cumbres, Marshal, Red Mountain, Borias, Alpine, Haggerman. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:29 PM ...Yes, the eastern side of the grade up the Allegheny's...From Altoona to Summit. I.8% avg. grade.....Horseshoe curve and at one time 4-tracks wide and ROW still that width...and now 3-tracks. Don't know the count of traffic now in 24 hr. period but it is substantial....Tunnels at the summit to get under the last few hundred ft. of mountain. Ex. Pennsylvania's Broadway route and now NS. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:08 PM My favorite is Horseshoe Curve. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:59 PM Hands down, Cajon pass. 3 tracks,60+ trains a day, UP & BNSF. What else could you ask for ?? Reply Angela Pusztai-Pasternak Moderator Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Waukesha, WI 217 posts What is your favorite mountain grade? Posted by Angela Pusztai-Pasternak on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:49 PM Have you seen our May 2005 Railroad Blueprint: Sand Patch, Pennsylvania? What is your favorite mountain grade? Angela Pusztai-Pasternak, Production Editor, Trains Magazine Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by apusztai [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...Yes, the eastern side of the grade up the Allegheny's...From Altoona to Summit. I.8% avg. grade.....Horseshoe curve and at one time 4-tracks wide and ROW still that width...and now 3-tracks. Don't know the count of traffic now in 24 hr. period but it is substantial....Tunnels at the summit to get under the last few hundred ft. of mountain. Ex. Pennsylvania's Broadway route and now NS. [#ditto] I would even go further and say between Johnstown and Altoona as my favorite mountain grade. I know my beloved Conrail was sending between 50-55 trains a day over the Alleghenies, (January TRAINS 1985) and I think NS may be sending even more. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:20 PM N&W's Alleghany Mountain in the pre-Virginian-merger-'50's. Handled more tonnage per 24-hour period than any other stretch of railroad in the world, even Horseshoe. Handled fourteen passenger trains in each direction. Handled a branch line train. All with steam locomotives. The problem was, that since they didn't have to drive 3000 miles to get there, railfans didn't care, much. Their loss. Old Timer Reply Edit TheS.P.caboose Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Canoga Park (Los Angeles) 494 posts Posted by TheS.P.caboose on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:04 PM I like Tehachapi and Cuesta. Tehachapi because of the freight traffic and all the tonage it plays host to and the horseshoe curves. I like Cuesta because passenger traffic rolls over it. Regards Gary Reply ericsp Member sinceMay 2015 5,134 posts Posted by ericsp on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:55 PM Mine is probably Tehachapi. "No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:03 PM Tehachapi. Hands down Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:13 PM Tehachapi. I love seeing a long train run over itself on the loop[8D]. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:56 PM ....Guess I should mention Saluda grade in NC, but alas it too now is closed...Not abandoned but closed for the unforeseeable future. 4.7% grade...! Several miles. Quentin Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:36 PM The not-much-used-anymore Tennessee Pass. Only got to railfan that once before they shut her down. Still holding out hope that someday they may re-open it. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply gbrewer Member sinceAugust 2001 From: US 240 posts Posted by gbrewer on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:30 PM Cumbres, Marshal, Red Mountain, Borias, Alpine, Haggerman. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:29 PM ...Yes, the eastern side of the grade up the Allegheny's...From Altoona to Summit. I.8% avg. grade.....Horseshoe curve and at one time 4-tracks wide and ROW still that width...and now 3-tracks. Don't know the count of traffic now in 24 hr. period but it is substantial....Tunnels at the summit to get under the last few hundred ft. of mountain. Ex. Pennsylvania's Broadway route and now NS. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:08 PM My favorite is Horseshoe Curve. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:59 PM Hands down, Cajon pass. 3 tracks,60+ trains a day, UP & BNSF. What else could you ask for ?? Reply Angela Pusztai-Pasternak Moderator Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Waukesha, WI 217 posts What is your favorite mountain grade? Posted by Angela Pusztai-Pasternak on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:49 PM Have you seen our May 2005 Railroad Blueprint: Sand Patch, Pennsylvania? What is your favorite mountain grade? Angela Pusztai-Pasternak, Production Editor, Trains Magazine Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...Yes, the eastern side of the grade up the Allegheny's...From Altoona to Summit. I.8% avg. grade.....Horseshoe curve and at one time 4-tracks wide and ROW still that width...and now 3-tracks. Don't know the count of traffic now in 24 hr. period but it is substantial....Tunnels at the summit to get under the last few hundred ft. of mountain. Ex. Pennsylvania's Broadway route and now NS.
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-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
Angela Pusztai-Pasternak, Production Editor, Trains Magazine
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