new BNSF livery...

[Anonymous]

is this for real?

[Anonymous]

It appears to be for real.

Yep, it's definitely the real deal.

http://www.bnsf.com/

[Anonymous]

I got my answer, check out their new site...

www.bnsf.com

To start off with, I'm not a big fan of the new logo.

[Anonymous]

Let's see.. January 24. Nope, not April 1.

Seriously, what the heck? That new logo is just wrong on so many levels. It's like something off a racecar toy.

[Anonymous]

could be worse i guess, they could've butchered the original warbonnet scheme... i'm a firm believer of the...'if it ain't broke don't fix it' policy

[jtbredow]

Ick.

[Anonymous]

That's an ok color for a Tupperware bowl, do they think this will make locomotives inconspicuous?

[Anonymous]

That logo is not that good looking. BRING BACK THE WARBONNET AND THE ATSF NAME.

[Anonymous]

Looks gross, I'd see a UP over that any day (I never thought I'd ever say that).

[dharmon]

Hmmm.......this new paint scheme must make the locomotive 1) go faster, 2) pull more, or 3) get better fuel economy. At the very least it must create a discernable return to investors...... Railroads don't care about paint or how the equipment looks.......only railfans do...... so why would they change the paint scheme and logo?

[Anonymous]

ROMANCE: AIN'T IT GREAT

[locomutt]

Thanks for posting that;at least now I KNOW I won't be
spending money for paint and decals!!!!!!
(how DO YOU spell UGLY ?)

[Anonymous]

More information- http://www.bnsf.com/news/articles/2005/01/2005_01_24a.html?index=/news/index.html

[Anonymous]

It's kinda cool. But I'll miss the "asprin pill".

[louisnash]

Imagine all the different photo opps now with all the paint schemes that BNSF has.

Brian (KY)

[garr]

BNSF should spend the money where it really counts. Use the "image" money on capacity improvements--increasing a siding or two, or maybe lenghtening double track. These changes will actually get them some additional customers. I don't believe a swoosh and stylized lettering will increase the carload count.

UP has tried the "image" improvement ploy with "We Will Deliver" and "Building America". Regardless of the image, all the customer wants is consistant quality service.

So why spend the additional dollars needed for such an expensive redo? Especially when the dollars spent on the change will not net one additional customer.

Jay

[Anonymous]

I think their new paint scheme is kind of shocking, but BNSF is a progressive company. At least they are still honoring their heritage though. It will be even harder for me to hear "BNSF Railway Company" rather than Burlington Northern Santa Fe railway.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Ugly.

[Anonymous]

GEESh didnt anybody over there realise that speed lettering is just too much d&rgw and that slash reminds me of nike not the raceway to aurora. They should have stuck with either the warbonnet or the simplified green and orange. I wonder how much the image consultant got paid for this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Can't say that I like it either, that first picture looks very Photoshoped and I didn't beleive it until I checked out their site. I think someone above put it perfectly...it looks like a toy rather than a piece of industrial equipment. Now I will just look even more forward to the odd Santa Fe's that still roll through now and again.

[adrianspeeder]

"Bigger, Faster, Better, Designed for kids ages 3 to 8"

Adrianspeeder

[Anonymous]

Better yet, use the money used for the repaint to sponser a real good drag racer or NASCAR race team on the strips and tracks for some real advertizing among the up and comming users of freight and intermodal services. I can just see the dragsters now in the Freight Train II Class of top fuel dragsters. On the strip BNSF would be the All the Way vs. the NS Thoroughbread or the UP Winged Lightning vs. the CSX "T." On the NASCAR circut all four of the big class ones having teams could be real feature of the tracks through out the country. Just imagine the exposure this would give the rail companies in the world of racing and the sponsorship of the industries that happen to or should be useing the railroads for their long haul transportation needs. Sounds crazy, but so did computers on the railroad 50 years ago.

[passengerfan]

It had to happen sooner or later and after looking at the scheme for an extended period of time I guess I'll be in a minority but I like it. It sure is a big improvement over NS, CSX, CN and UP.

[SID6FIVE]

Soooo...just when did BNSF merge with NIKE ?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CHTWNDAN

GEESh didnt anybody over there realise that speed lettering is just too much d&rgw and that slash reminds me of nike not the raceway to aurora. They should have stuck with either the warbonnet or the simplified green and orange. I wonder how much the image consultant got paid for this nonsense.

Yeah, except D&RGW did it with class.

There are still diesels out there roaming around in Santa Fe Blue Bonnet! This means that three BNSF schemes later, they still have locomotives which have not been repainted in 16 years at the least! Not that I'm complaining, since it looks better than any BNSF paint job.

In Montana two years ago, I saw a string of hopper cars still wearing GN and NP logos.

They reached their peak with Heritage II--I agree, if it's fine don't change it!

Anybody up for steam locomotive black, graphite, and soot [:)]?!

See you around the forums,
Daniel Parks

[FThunder11]

The new logo isnt that good and needs to go back to the drwing board and then the janitor needs to come through and "accedentally" throw it away

[Anonymous]

I think ill change my Licence Plate from BNSF to RAILFAN.

[FThunder11]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan.

I think ill change my Licence Plate from BNSF to RAILFAN.

Thats a pretty good idea. And on this whiole subject I think there're gonna be some pretty pissed off railfans, and we are the people who look at the trains. our opinion is the one that should count. I live near a BNSF joint line mostly used by SD70MAC's so i hope they're not the first ones to go!!

[Anonymous]

Living on the BNSF racetrack from Chicago, it is always a puzzle as to what motive power and color scheme you will see. This is what makes it a great RR to watch. Will the next loco be in one of the existing BNSF colors, a run thru with CSX , NS, UP, CN, or a leased unit?

Would you rather watch UP with continuous Armor Yellow? I did it one day and that was enough.

How many of you are going to go trackside to catch this new color scheme?

[Anonymous]

This is really ugly....but there's hope. Remember when the vomit bonnette came out and there was a real negetive response to that scheme? Whell they improved on it.

As another thought, if they merge with the NS all they have to do is change the color of the ns in BNSF.

But what I think they should have done is paint it in black and white like the NS

[Anonymous]

Well,The BNSF does have their right to change their Logo if they want too,and for one thing,weather they do,I don't care,I still like the BNSF Railway....No matter what[^].
[bow]BNSF Railway[bow]

[UPTRAIN]

They sure as hell better not call it "HERTAGE III". There's no ATSF to it...I got a new slogan for them BNSF-We'll screw up your paint scheme. I think it's a cheap Rio Grande style lettering...yuck, yuck, YUCK! I saw Heritage 1 and 2 locomotives yesterday...I would have never thought I would wake up this morning and find those OUTDATED...even the heritage II!!!!!! SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU BNSF!!!!

[UPTRAIN]

Oh yeah...this can end up like the "vomit bonnet" for all I care..I had a vision of an SD40-2 in the new scheme...I almost had a heart attack!

[alcodave]

Can anyone think any anything else as bad as that?Trains mag. should do a top 10 list of all time bad paint schemes i think it would be interesting to see some of them.

[alcodave]

and did anyone notice how similar it is to the schneider national trucking logo it is?

[Anonymous]

Now that I went back to take another look.....It doesn't look to bad,Other than the nose looks dull&boring. Mabe if they put the RAILWAY under neath the BNSF I think it would look realy neat!

[UPTRAIN]

Let's see...I got the top 5...
1. BNSF Heritage III
2. BNSF Vomit Bonnet
3. PC Mating Worm
4. SOO Line Pumpkin
5. Any UP Patched Unit...

You Fini***he Rest

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by UPTRAIN

Let's see...I got the top 5...
1. BNSF Heritage III
2. BNSF Vomit Bonnet
3. PC Mating Worm
4. SOO Line Pumpkin
5. Any UP Patched Unit...

You Fini***he Rest

Well it sure looks like the BNSF sure got everyone in a good mood tonight.

[jeaton]

Hang in there guys. Ten years from now it will be something else. A hundred years from now there will be a very lengthy topic as the next century's railfans try to find out if BNSF stood for anything.

[UPTRAIN]

They may be trying to figure out who made the locomotives that the paint scheme was carried on by then...lol!

[Anonymous]

its ok, but it was better before. The old was more official, the new is like, as others have said, for a toy

[Anonymous]

Stick around! You haven't seen the end of BNSF yet.
BNSF stands for Bigger New Santa Fe!
I still like that one.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

.... so why would they change the paint scheme and logo?

maybe it's cheaper to apply? Sure looks like it must be.

[Nora]

My poor Noranges...now they are going to look like boxes of Tide...

[csxengineer98]

its just paint.... who cares....
csx engineer

[Mookie]

Boy - an overnite avalanche!

My first impression is that it looks like something you should throw a football to.....................

Never liked the orange, now like it even less!

Mook

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

its just paint.... who cares....
csx engineer

I was thinking the same thing.

[mudchicken]

The BN (Borg Nation) folks slipped Marketing some $$$$$$$ under the the table to wipe out the last vestiges of ATSF as part of their corporate identity. Don't be surprised if Cascade Green make a comeback shortly.(see any Frisco images anymore?)[:(][:(][:(]

ps - The only part of the old BN that was moderately fast was the Q and it was never as quick or responsive as Santa Fe when judged as a whole..

[Mookie]

Green would always be preferable to Orange! You can rhyme Green.

Mook

[spbed]

Guess they are trying to portray that they will deliver the goods faster then a speeding bullet.

[Anonymous]

The Question I have is.....What do the People who work for the BNSF think about this new change?

[mudchicken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan.

The Question I have is.....What do the People who work for the BNSF think about this new change?

Ever heard the term "War Pumpkin"?

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken



Ever heard the term "War Pumpkin"?

Now that is a name that strikes fear in the hearts of men....

"I'm scared sir, there's a pair of War Pumpkins moving up the line to attack..."

"Easy son, it'll be okay. Stand fast, hold your ground and don't fire until you see the NS in the BNSF.."

[mudchicken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken



Ever heard the term "War Pumpkin"?

Now that is a name that strikes fear in the hearts of men....

"I'm scared sir, there's a pair of War Pumpkins moving up the line to attack..."

"Easy son, it'll be okay. Stand fast, hold your ground and don't fire until you see the NS in the BNSF.."

Now you know why the Yellow Peril has nothing to fear![:o)][:o)][:o)]

[Mookie]

Dan - just dawned on me that I see BNSF all the time and never "saw" the NS in it! Duh....time out for me!

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Dan - just dawned on me that I see BNSF all the time and never "saw" the NS in it! Duh....time out for me!

We're gonna need a bigger couch.....

[BurlingtonJohn]

Pardon me if I don't shed a tear over the demise of the last traces of the Santa Fe or the failure to bring back the warbonnet image. Did any of you out there honestly think the suits would?

You have got to remember that there are/were other roads that made up BNSF and that the world did not revolve around all that is red/silver. Gone, too is the:

B - Burlington Route (I'm glad Harry Murphy and Ralph Budd aren't around to see this)
N - Great Northern as well as the Northern Pacific

As well as the Burlington Northern for those who were fans of it. I won't even get into the Frisco, Fort Worth & Denver, Colorado & Southern, and the Spokane, Portland & Seattle.

I am not surprised that the suits have come up with a new logo. Reminds me of when some rocket scientist in Fort Worth came up with the "disco paint" scheme for the SD70MACs and the business car fleet.

Regards,
Burlington John

[Anonymous]

Kinda reminds me of the Wabash RoadRailer Logo

[mudchicken]

Wasn't that long ago that there was the ruckus with the Quality symbol that vaguely resemsebled the Quaker Oats Symbol. Same marketing dummies?

Burlington John - Lose the Great Northern Paint scheme along with the "re-imaging".

[Anonymous]

I must concur with csxengineer......"who cares?"..... No one cares what color Schneider paints their trucks. It's none of our business. No one cares what color I paint my car. It's non of your business. It's none of our business what color any company paints its property. We are all entitled to our opiniions.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jwieczorek

I must concur with csxengineer......"who cares?"..... No one cares what color Schneider paints their trucks. It's none of our business. No one cares what color I paint my car. It's non of your business. It's none of our business what color any company paints its property. We are all entitled to our opiniions.

Sounds like someone got their tail twisted!

We can have an opinion on here, cuz that's why there is a forum.

I think from a marketing standpoint, I would want my product to look pleasing since it will be all over the US of A. Granted, most businesses want their product to get from point A to point B and if it is done with a caravan of purple ponies, so what? I think it makes good PR sense to want to look nice to the general public and the people you do business with. A sense of pride means you will maybe take better care of their product.

Why wa***he locomotives? Why buy dress-up clothes?

Mook

[alcodave]

i can understand why CSXengineer doesnt car about what color the locomotive is every day on the job is a new experiance for him.do you ever see s csx freight anymore with all matching engines? : )

[daveklepper]

Don't mind the colors, nearly identacle to lots of trolley cars, Milwaukee and Johnstown, for example. But what is the wedge for? What does it have to do with railroading? A rerailing frog? Again, the old Sante Fe scheme was best, without a doubt! In my humble opinion, of course, but then I don't get paid to design these color schemes and someone obviously does.

[bnsfkline]

Bah
New logos ugly
Stick with the tried and true!

Hell....even my Brown Goldfish looks better then the H-3

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan.

The Question I have is.....What do the People who work for the BNSF think about this new change?

Ever heard the term "War Pumpkin"?

No but next time ill it in mind.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by alcodave

i can understand why CSXengineer doesnt car about what color the locomotive is every day on the job is a new experiance for him.do you ever see s csx freight anymore with all matching engines? : )

Don't be to hard on the guy, remember his is a great line put together from many diverse flags. We need to understand his confusion and hope that he and his company come to understand what Mookie says about marketing and that some pride in his company can match the pride he has in his trade.

[SALfan]

EEEEEUUUUUUWWWW!!! They broke the ugly stick on that beast! It would have been much better if they had gone back to the Warbonnet scheme . . . or the old Santa Fe freight colors . . . or the old Frisco scheme . . or the old BN green . . . or anything other than orange. War Pumpkin pretty much sums it up; or maybe Rotten Pumpkin.

[Trainnut484]

[V][:(] It saddens me that more of the Santa Fe heritage is disappearing from the locomotive and rolling stock rosters. Now, the only evidence left on locomotives would be the silver fuel tanks and trucks.

I always thought the cigar band was a nice touch, and tip of the hat to the SF heritage.

Take care,

Russell

[Anonymous]

But arn't the RR's just waisting money everytime someone comes along just to change the logo all the time?
I mean this is like the State of Nebraska changing the Licence Plates every 5 Years.
Look at the Union Pacific Railroad,The UP has had the "same" paint job for over a 100 Years. The UP has kept the Paint more than any RR that I know of.
Like I told my friend last night,I told him "Why didn't the BN just keep the SD70MAC's in the Cream&Green? And he told me Hell no because when get durty as hell they tend to look like crap,I thought......Ok!" And then he said that the BN should have kept the TRUE BN Green&Black. I said to him "Ahh I don't know anymore". The way I look at it,Now I don't feel sorry at all for the UP "not" changing theirs. At least the UP was SMART!
Once you have a Paint scheme leave it as is.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by JOdom

EEEEEUUUUUUWWWW!!! They broke the ugly stick on that beast! It would have been much better if they had gone back to the Warbonnet scheme . . . or the old Santa Fe freight colors . . . or the old Frisco scheme . . or the old BN green . . . or anything other than orange. War Pumpkin pretty much sums it up; or maybe Rotten Pumpkin.

Ugly is ugly that is for sure, but like our mama's told us to remember to say something good about what you don't like. After much thought, deliberation and serching I have to admit that the new livery for BNSF despite its showing of limited imagination, artistry of a color challenged art department, Taste's similar to saying Hail Tech in Athens, Or wearing FL Gator colors anywhere, You can at least see it comming

[JoeKoh]

the heritage 1 scheme was ok the one with the bnsf in the warboonet band on the front was great. dont they know if it isnt broke dont fix it???
stay safe
Joe

[Willy2]

I hope this doesn't offend anybody, but I kind of like it. I can see why some people wouldn't like it, but personally, I'm fine with the new paint.

[garr]

Go to www.acdelco.com and you will basically see the same logo. Just change the swoosh color and replace BNSF for ACDELCO. No wonder this logo has short-comings on a GE.

Jay

[Anonymous]

I honestly don't care how they paint their locomotives as long as they deliver the goods (including Amtrak), but, quite frankly, it reminds me of the logo on a toothpaste tube.

[Anonymous]

O.K. folks, for a limited period of time you do all have an opportunity to register your RESPECTFUL opinions with BNSF management about the new image and logo, and hopefully change their minds. There is an E-Mail link within the BNSF website sitemap. Also, every BNSF exec is reachable with an E-mail address that has their first name, followed with a dot, followed by their last [e-mail] (Example: [e-mail]).

Just remember to:

1. Keep everything in a respectful and reasonable tone, and with proper spelling and grammar.
2. Preface your comments with the fact that you are a long-time supporter and admirer of BNSF's outstanding management and extraordinarily well-run railway, and that you've had many friends and relatives who've worked for BNSF and their predecessor railways over the years.
3. State in a reasonable and respectful manner just why you dislike the new image and logo, and why you feel that it is not as representative of BNSF's true image and customer service reputation as is your preferred previous image(s) and logo(s). Try to include any and all well-known business references that you can, such as Forbes magazine's well-known survey from about 15 years ago that found the old Warbonnet image and cross-and-circle logo to be the fifth most widely recognized and respected image and logo in American corporate history.

Good luck, folks. Just remember to keep a respectful and reasonable tone about any and all communications with BNSF management.

Sincerely, Ross R. Moore, Jr.

[Anonymous]

I just have this feeling that the BNSF is gona get an earfull on this topic.

[oskar]

hmmmm I wonder how it would look if it was in H1




kevin

[Anonymous]

I like it myself, I think that there is far worse things that they could do with it. Maybe because I am a big Nike fan it rubs off on me.
Brad

[eolafan]

I'll bet you they paid some slick ad agency $150,000 or more to design that ugyly logo, but I guess that's what is meant by "If you are a real artist, you paint pictures...If you're a wanna be artist, you design logos"...by the way I think it is ugly also, but I can hardly wait until the weather warms up so I can get back trackside and see one for real.

[BNSFNUT]

I don't care for it but if I see one I will be blazing away with the camera.
If runs on rails I will photograph it.

[espeefoamer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt

Thanks for posting that;at least now I KNOW I won't be
spending money for paint and decals!!!!!!
(how DO YOU spell UGLY ?)

I spell it, New BNSF Paint Scheme[:(!].
It's not a locomotive, it's the new Hot Wheels toy[xx(]!
I guess the Santa Fe is really gone, now[:(].

[espeefoamer]

I won't be anxiously waiting to see this scheme[xx(].

[Anonymous]

Looks like a direct rip-off of the french transportation companty, SNCF.

http://www.sncf.com/

[Anonymous]

Wow where now up to Page 5. Keep the complaints coming.

[csxengineer98]

QUOTE: Originally posted by alcodave

i can understand why CSXengineer doesnt car about what color the locomotive is every day on the job is a new experiance for him.do you ever see s csx freight anymore with all matching engines? : )

first off..that made no sence.....second... paint is paint...... the units could be painted in black with purple pockadots for all i care.... they are going to profrom the same function regardless of what they look like on the outside... a locomoitive is heavey equipment.... it is designed to get freigth (railcars) from point A to point B... and it it wasnt for the fact that the locomotive steel would rust away to nothing in a few years if not for paint...they wouldnt even bother to spend the money on the paint in the first place if it would save the a few bucks....... i just dont see what all the major fuss is about ..... its just paint people
csx engineer

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

QUOTE: Originally posted by alcodave

i can understand why CSXengineer doesnt car about what color the locomotive is every day on the job is a new experiance for him.do you ever see s csx freight anymore with all matching engines? : )

first off..that made no sence.....second... paint is paint...... the units could be painted in black with purple pockadots for all i care.... they are going to profrom the same function regardless of what they look like on the outside... a locomoitive is heavey equipment.... it is designed to get freigth (railcars) from point A to point B... and it it wasnt for the fact that the locomotive steel would rust away to nothing in a few years if not for paint...they wouldnt even bother to spend the money on the paint in the first place if it would save the a few bucks....... i just dont see what all the major fuss is about ..... its
just paint people
csx engineer

Ah CSXE - I love your crusty point of view. But have a question - if paint is paint then why is BNSF changing their paint jobs? Sure, we are complaining cuz it's pretty ugly, but they seem to feel the need to change from what they have to this. Why not go back to just the Henry Ford any color - black. But then, maybe you and I are in agreement on this one - maybe all black would be good.

[^]

[mersenne6]

Well....if I were to pursue the conspiracy line of thought that has been sort of hinted at in prior posts it would only seem reasonable to assume BNSF is really a clever way of announcing they are Building Norfolk Southern's Future. With this in mind it then becomes obvious the orange paint base has been engineered so that in time, the orange will bleach away under that strong western sun and turn to a bright white. The resultant black and white will then perfectly match the paint scheme of the well known eastern road...and save everyone a bundle with respect to future repaints! ...as somebody once said ...give me a premise to stand on and I'll deduce a world....fantasy tho it may be.[:)]

I guess I'll have to join the minority on this thread and say that it looks ok to me. There are other schemes I've like better and many I've liked less.

[Mookie]

Wow!

[tree68]

Next thing you know, someone will be painting their locomotives purple....

[acpardo]

I do not Understand, IBM keep his logo, Coca Cola, keep his logo, Sony kieep it, ...why this people think that will improve the PR or Marketing.
If fortune 500 keep the logos to maintain his image...I think this move is no sense.

Adrian

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

Next thing you know, someone will be painting their locomotives purple....

Who knows,Anything will do just that to get the Railfans to just stop the Complaining. The BNSF Railway has every right to change their logo. The BNSF Railway is the most Powerful RR their is today,And they know just how to run it.

[Mookie]

Purple is good!

[garr]

Mookie and Larry,

Atlantic Coast Line already did that.

Jay

[vsmith]

The new logo looks like it belongs on a Used Car lot...ugg-leee!

[cpbloom]

Tsk tsk tsk......and so many people don't like NS because they use black and white; just goes to show you, what good are other colors if the scheme is wacky. [:o)]

The bottom line though is paint is just cosmetic and I would hope that other things besides paint play a significant role in most loving trains/railroads.

[railman]

that lettering...looks horrible! Why not leave it alone? It looked "railroady" . This just seems like somebody got carried away in photoshop one day. Two thumbs down!

[alcodave]

it is just fun to complain about it. i understand that it is just a paintscheme and im not going to stop being a railfan over it.i just think they shouldnt change it so soon i like what they had.so im done complaining about and its time for me to accept it.and i look foward to seeing one now.

[wcfan4ever]

Everything no matter where you look is turning into the future. It looks like something from the future but hey, cars are beginning to look the same way. Its just a sign of times.

[BNSF_GP60M]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan.

Stick around! You haven't seen the end of BNSF yet.
BNSF stands for Bigger New Santa Fe!
I still like that one.

That's what I like to see. Never let Santa Fe die!

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by garr

Mookie and Larry,
Atlantic Coast Line already did that.
Jay

I know - just trying to do a little rabble-rousing....[}:)]

Twenty years from now someone will be complaining why BNSF got rid of the what-is-now-new-to-us paint scheme.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by alcodave

it is just fun to complain about it. i understand that it is just a paintscheme and im not going to stop being a railfan over it.i just think they shouldnt change it so soon i like what they had.so im done complaining about and its time for me to accept it.and i look foward to seeing one now.

That is what I have been trying to say all this time.
I saw the new Logo too but im not complaining about it. I like it.
Go BNSF Railway.

[espeefoamer]

There is another thread on this forum asking what is the ugliest paint scheme in railroading.This scheme should go to the top of the list[xx(].

[Anonymous]

They need to go retro Ford has done it, 2 times, Mustang and GT so did Shelby. And ConnDot is retro too. Bring the Warbonnets, BN's, Burlingtons, and Great Northerns. Set them by region and everytime you see it, you'll see the classic days. And Maybe Conrail trains should have the Pennsy Pinstripes and NYC. And NJ Transit should have the CNJ look.

[Anonymous]

First they complain about the UP and now it's the BNSF,I GIVE UP!
YOU JUST CAN"T MAKE ANYONE ONE HAPPY ANYMORE!

[Anonymous]

Who cares if it's ugly or not?

Trust me, it'll take 20 years to paint three locomotives, heck, they still have some in SP clopping around.

so by 4917 AD, unless Jesus is born again, and a new year numbering system appears, maybe 20% of the locomotives will be painted.

[csxengineer98]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

QUOTE: Originally posted by alcodave

i can understand why CSXengineer doesnt car about what color the locomotive is every day on the job is a new experiance for him.do you ever see s csx freight anymore with all matching engines? : )

first off..that made no sence.....second... paint is paint...... the units could be painted in black with purple pockadots for all i care.... they are going to profrom the same function regardless of what they look like on the outside... a locomoitive is heavey equipment.... it is designed to get freigth (railcars) from point A to point B... and it it wasnt for the fact that the locomotive steel would rust away to nothing in a few years if not for paint...they wouldnt even bother to spend the money on the paint in the first place if it would save the a few bucks....... i just dont see what all the major fuss is about ..... its
just paint people
csx engineer

Ah CSXE - I love your crusty point of view. But have a question - if paint is paint then why is BNSF changing their paint jobs? Sure, we are complaining cuz it's pretty ugly, but they seem to feel the need to change from what they have to this. Why not go back to just the Henry Ford any color - black. But then, maybe you and I are in agreement on this one - maybe all black would be good.

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i cant anwser why they just dont paint eveything black...im not a railroad executive that makes the final desitions regarding expenses....but im sure if you get down to the nuts and bolts of it... this new paint job costs less in the long run...either cost savings in the logo decals by going with a less complicated one ... cheeper simpler paint job means less time in the paint shop...less down time that the locomotive will have as a result of painting..which translates into more revenew earning time.......less man hours payed to the painters for a simpler paint job...and the cost of the paint might be just overall cheeper then what they are paying now...that is why csx changed its paint from the 3 tone to the 2 tone...saves 700 bucks per unit just in paint savings alone..not counting man hour cost saveings of the painters in the paint shop.....and the unit is back in revenew service faster making money for csx....
csx engineer
csx engineer

[Anonymous]

Let them know how we feel! Contact your regional BNSF talking head and tell them their new logo sucks:

http://www.bnsf.com/media/html/community_contacts.html

Do they really think someone will see this and think "Hmmm, I think I'll ship BNSF because it has a brutal racing stripe on it"?

They also have an 800 number to call incase of a railway emergency [phone]. "Hello, operator? Yes, I just saw a ugly train on your mainline. Help!"

Trainjunkie - you're right. I see 40 yr old Blue Geeps pulling the local freight every day. They obviously need a paint job, but now I'm thinking they look just fine....

[BNSFGP38]

The new coporate moto will be "Just ship it" [:D]

[Anonymous]

To me the Heritage II paint scheme is among the classiest ever. The original lettering and Santa Fe styled nose emblem are a distinct part of it. I feel the new lettering detracts from the overall image. I do agree with adopting the letters BNSF as the company name . It is less a mouthful and easier on the mind and tongue.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Willy2

I hope this doesn't offend anybody, but I kind of like it. I can see why some people wouldn't like it, but personally, I'm fine with the new paint.

Ah Willy - you, personally, can't offend anyone in the first place and in the second place, it is an opinion and you are entitled to it, no matter how much I think it stinks and must totally disagree with you.

But you are backing up my point that I think it appeals to the younger people in our forum. And that could be the reason the BNSF is doing this. Appealing to future customers, future workers - becoming a.....well, the same reason a lot of people dye their hair and go for face lifts. It sure isn't because their face hurts and needs to be lifted or their hair doesn't match the wallpaper....

Mz Moo

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie
It sure isn't because their face hurts and needs to be lifted or their hair doesn't match the wallpaper....
Mz Moo

Never know about that wallpaper thing...

[Mookie]

Silly me! I keep forgetting "they" are out there, aren't they!

M

[Anonymous]

There is nothing with BNSF's new Logo.
If you people want to complain,Then go down to the BNSF HQ yourself abd complain to them while your there,other wise this new logo "IS" gona and will be applied to all RR property and there is nothing you or I can do anothing about it.
Besides over a sudden everyone is all complaining about what the BNSF is doing and not the CSXT or NS or even the UP. Besides UP has been around for how many years now and I myself still don't hear no complaints about there Yellow & Grey paint. Come on lets get real now. If your gona complain about the BNSF changing their paint & logo then I think it's time to start complaining about Union Pacific's Yellow & Grey paint job.
I have nothing agenst the UPRR anyway.

[Anonymous]

Oh be the way now that I have in my head........Now that most of you are all Pissed off because of the BNSF is changing their Paint & Logo, Does that mean that you all are gona turn away from Photographing,Watching or what ever from the BNSF?

[Anonymous]

I'm never going to argue when a railroad changes it's paint scheme. I'm going to hold on to my negatives of locomotives under the old paint scheme, wait thirty years, and submit them all to TRAINS. I will probably be able to supplement my police retirement with all the royalty checks that come in. I might even send them in to CLASSIC TRAINS and double dip. Heck, maybe I can get KALMBACH to publish a book of the photos... in thirty years, if I'm still around.

Folks, I would never have known Santa Fe's Warbonnet paint scheme if I hadn't played with a LIONEL diesel in my misspent youth. It's taken me years to acknowledge that the NYC ever painted their locomotives anything other than black- because the NYC steam locomotive I had from LIONEL was, uhm, black.

Corporations change their public persona all the time. My kids (aged 22 and 20) give me a blank stare when I talk about "Ma Bell"... but they recognize the AT&T logo.

Personally, I hated it when red, yellow and silver disappeared from the Santa Fe. I see the Big New Santa Fe "heritage" scheme as a "pumpkin" scheme. Unfortunately for my personal feelings, professional marketers and wiser heads at BNSF made a decision for me. And so it is here.

Now, if UP went to something other than Armour Yellow and gray... oh boy, would I complain! And I'd probably get the same results, too...

Erik

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by erikthered

I'm never going to argue when a railroad changes it's paint scheme. I'm going to hold on to my negatives of locomotives under the old paint scheme, wait thirty years, and submit them all to TRAINS. I will probably be able to supplement my police retirement with all the royalty checks that come in. I might even send them in to CLASSIC TRAINS and double dip. Heck, maybe I can get KALMBACH to publish a book of the photos... in thirty years, if I'm still around.

Folks, I would never have known Santa Fe's Warbonnet paint scheme if I hadn't played with a LIONEL diesel in my misspent youth. It's taken me years to acknowledge that the NYC ever painted their locomotives anything other than black- because the NYC steam locomotive I had from LIONEL was, uhm, black.

Corporations change their public persona all the time. My kids (aged 22 and 20) give me a blank stare when I talk about "Ma Bell"... but they recognize the AT&T logo.

Personally, I hated it when red, yellow and silver disappeared from the Santa Fe. I see the Big New Santa Fe "heritage" scheme as a "pumpkin" scheme. Unfortunately for my personal feelings, professional marketers and wiser heads at BNSF made a decision for me. And so it is here.

Now, if UP went to something other than Armour Yellow and gray... oh boy, would I complain! And I'd probably get the same results, too...

Erik

Im just very glad that I don't see any ATSF Locomotives that had that stupid ugly Yellow&Sylver around anymore,My god .......you talk about an ugly paint job,Oh hell ill take a Red&sylver over that thing anyday. MY GOD!

[Anonymous]

hey, its something new, i like changes. Give it a few years and they will think up another new paint scheme to add to the variety of color on BNSF. Thats why BNSF is one of my favorites to railfan because of the variety.

[techguy57]

QUOTE: As another thought, if they merge with the NS all they have to do is change the color of the ns in BNSF.

But what I think they should have done is paint it in black and white like the NS

If they did merge with NS all they'd have to do is make the "NS" in BNSF black and white. It's an interesting thought.

Mike

[Anonymous]

Iam new to this forum but thought I would throw my 2 cents in. I never cared for the orange look to begin with. But after awhile I thought they looked alright against the green backdrop of Stevens Pass. But I dont think I have to worry about the new look. I,ve not seen a Greinstein green SD70 in the 15+ years I,ve been taking pics up here in the last place you see anything new. I dont like the new look but I will take a pic of it IF and WHEN it gets here. RATon the tracks in Seattle.

[Anonymous]

Im gona say this just one time. Even though the BNSF just anounced their new Paint&Logo. It will take years before you will notce the real change. It wont be right away.
As for the mean time,There will be "THOUSANDS" of BNSF H2's that will still be around,and I am darn sure that a Professional Railroader who will tell you him self.
There will be a very slow transtion over to the new. So stop complaining and get out there and get those Photo's.
BNSFrailfan.

[Trainnut484]

Leland Knickerbocker is turning in his grave if he hasn't already (Vomit bonnet would've done it). He had style and class.

Take care,

Russell

[Anonymous]

This is ugly

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 5498cp

This is ugly

You haven't seen ugly yet.

[Anonymous]

I can't wait to see the new BNSF Black & Orange BNSF with the new BNSFrailway Logo.
BNSFrailfan.

[SALfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

Next thing you know, someone will be painting their locomotives purple....

Already been done. Remember Atlantic Coast Line's maggot-gagging purple (on passenger diesels) during the Champion Davis era?[xx(]

[Anonymous]

This has to be the 'Edsel" of paint jobs. No imagination. No logo. At least the other roads don't waste their money on design teams and paint every few years.