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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Thursday, March 3, 2022 2:58 PM

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Putin wants the return of the USSR and most of its Stalinist policies and policing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M53cwS9YgOo

Thanks for the post Balt. He is a true KGB man and has no empathy or concern for anyone. 

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, March 3, 2022 2:58 PM

Take it for what you will, I've seen it suggested that there are bad guys who have nothing to do with the conflict pointing out targets to the Russians.  Possibly their competition?  

Or, firing on such targets themselves, then blame it on the Russians...

Nothing would surprise me.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Thursday, March 3, 2022 2:30 PM

As you suggest, it ain't your gramps's USSR!

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, March 3, 2022 2:08 PM

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This Russian military is not that of the old Soviet Union. And motivation is on Ukraine s side.  Putin gambled and is not winning so it's massive artillery and rockets to try to smash cities to rubble. They should remember Stalingrad.

Ukraine has been whipped and beaten like Russia's red headed step-child since Czarist days.  It has only been the breadbasket that fed Czarist Russia and the USSR.

Putin wants the return of the USSR and most of its Stalinist policies and policing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M53cwS9YgOo

Rolling the clock back 70 years is near impossible.

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Thursday, March 3, 2022 2:03 PM

Betcha didn't know that Tehachapi Pass is in Russia or that Putin runs BNSF

Fact check: Video shows American train carrying tanks, not Russian military convoy (yahoo.com)

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Thursday, March 3, 2022 1:47 PM

Five posts this day. So are you ready to get out of bed now? Go out and face the world. 

But as to the subject. Ukraine has Russia on part of its East and South East sides with Russia controled Belarus on its North side. Other neighbors are NATO members Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, and as I understand it, Ukraine did not have the resources to join NATO when the others did. Russia co-existed with Ukraine but its democracy was seen as a irritant to the authoritarian Russian powers and when Russia grabbed the eastern provinces that had a significant number of Russian people living in them and the Crimea, Ukraine started talking about joining NATO. Putin felt that he was threatened. That he might be vunerable to an attack on his west. Although he was the first to invade Ukkraine back in 2014. So I hope the motivated Ukrainians can check his military and that NATO can and will provide enough material and supplies to let them cause Putin to admit his error. IF he can say he made a mistake. I doubt he can. Our previous leader never could concieve that he could. Dictators can't.

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Posted by Convicted One on Thursday, March 3, 2022 1:36 PM

Well, I've had a good day. Managed to say what I wanted to say, didn't anger anybody, didn't get moderated, thread didn't get locked.  Can't really get much deeper without veering into politics.  Think I'll quit while I'm ahead. Angel 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, March 3, 2022 11:54 AM

Convicted One

 

 
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. That took a couple trips down the rabbit hole to straighten out.

 

 

Ol' Gimlet Eye is a pretty interesting "rabbit hole" as well.  Mischief

 

I can't disagree there.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Thursday, March 3, 2022 11:21 AM

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'76, unless something changes, there are not going to be any Ukraine DMVs in 6-8 weeks.

Russia is going to encircle and lay siege to the major population centers.

Nothing will get in - no food, no water, no ammunition.

Russia killed millions of Ukrainians before to keep them in the Soviet Union.

There will be millions dead again before this is over as the Russians strangle the life out of that country.

We the USA are still buying Russian oil at 500,000-600,000 barrels per day. China is giving them covert support.

We have done nothing to increase oil supply in the US.

Once Russia cuts off the supply lines to those cities it is only a matter of time.

The cavalry is not coming to save those people.

Sure, sanctions will hurt Russia, but the biggest impact will be too late to save lives, and China will prop Russia up because it is in their imperial interests to have Russia keep Europe and the US occupied.

Read the chess board, folks. Look out Taiwan and South Korea.

Meanwhile, the USA is not even playing checkers.

 

This Russian military is not that of the old Soviet Union. And motivation is on Ukraine s side.  Putin gambled and is not winning so it's massive artillery and rockets to try to smash cities to rubble. They should remember Stalingrad.

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Posted by Euclid on Thursday, March 3, 2022 11:17 AM

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 But, when the narrative is staged around the premise of "good vs evil", "The bad guys pull the wings off of crippled baby whales" and other emotional spikes....it makes me think of "War is a Racket" ...and I start pondering  (the possibility) "oh,  so Goldman Sachs must be in over-their-head with assets stranded in Ukraine, and now it's time for the taxpayers to bail them out?".  Just don't enjoy the feeling that I'm being played.

Those emotional spikes may indeed by fueled by economic exploitation of the unique opportunity offered by war.  But they are also part of the “Fog of war,” which is driven by each side stretching the truth as just one more weapon to use in a death match.  It is a natural reaction, and there is no reason to dismiss it just because it often looks just like the dishonesty of the economic exploitation occurring at the same time. 

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Posted by Convicted One on Thursday, March 3, 2022 11:11 AM

Murphy Siding
. That took a couple trips down the rabbit hole to straighten out.

 

Ol' Gimlet Eye is a pretty interesting "rabbit hole" as well.  Mischief

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Posted by Convicted One on Thursday, March 3, 2022 11:02 AM

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Considering Smedley's service in the "Banana Wars" ( A Medal of Honor!) I'm not surprised he felt that way.

I believe he was the very first serviceman to win the congressional medal of honor, twice?

 Personally, if the mantra was "hey, we don't like Putin, let's go take him out".....I'd likely be foaming at the mouth with enthusiasm.

 But, when the narrative is staged around the premise of "good vs evil", ..~"The bad guys pull the wings off of crippled baby whales"~.. and other emotional spikes....it makes me think of "War is a Racket" ...and I start pondering  (the possibility) "oh,  so Goldman Sachs must be in over-their-head with assets stranded in Ukraine, and now it's time for the taxpayers to bail them out?".  Just don't enjoy the feeling that I'm being played.

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Posted by Euclid on Thursday, March 3, 2022 9:23 AM
In learning more about Putin, I have also learned more about this dispute.  Ultimately this is a collision of values between Russia and the U.S. (with Western Europe).  Both sides have a point and the points are in opposition. 
 
When asked if the U.S. should defend Ukraine, we say it is not in our interest.  Yet, we take actions to prevent Russia from taking Ukraine, so that objective clearly is in our interest. 
 
So Russia feels that Ukraine definitely is in their interest because it is right on their doorstep.  We say we have no interest in distant Ukraine, but we do have a strong interest in preventing Russia from having an interest in Ukraine.  
 
As I understand it, part of the historic reason why Ukraine is not part of NATO is that NATO has felt that Ukraine is not in their interest because of its strong ties to Russia.  So NATO sees a risk in allowing Ukraine to join NATO.  NATO was formed to guard against Russian aggression against Europe, but NATO allows for Russia’s interest and relationship with Ukraine.  Ukraine would naturally prefer to be in NATO in order to prevent Russia’s aggression.  Ukraine has asked to join NATO several years ago, but it is said that the process takes a long time, and has not yet been finalized.
 
But now, with Putin’s sudden aggression to take Ukraine, Ukraine is desperate to join NATO immediately to save Ukraine and its thousands of lives from obliteration.  Both the U.S. and NATO are being pressured by the rest of the world to save Ukraine from Russia.  This plea is becoming more irresistible as the terrible experience of innocent Ukraine is shown to the world by massive news coverage. How long can the U.S. and NATO withstand the pressure of denying direct help in a world that once said, “Never Again” ?
 
If NATO just said yes to the request of Ukraine to join; that would save Ukraine.  All of the NATO countries, including the U.S. would drive Russia out of Ukraine and prevent them from ever returning.  The only problem is that this move would be seen as the ultimate provocation by easily provoked Putin, and he would probably declare war against NATO (including the U.S.).  And since Putin would be overmatched in conventional warfare, he would have to resort to nuclear war.
 
This dreadful result could flow from just this one decision to save Ukraine as its plight tugs at the world’s heart strings. 
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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, March 3, 2022 9:02 AM

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'76, unless something changes, there are not going to be any Ukraine DMVs in 6-8 weeks.

That news story isn't something to be taken super-seriously, it's just an indication that their spirits are far from broken.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, March 3, 2022 9:01 AM

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Flintlock76
At any rate news reports should be considered what they've been traditionally called, "The first draft of history."

 

 

Well then, I'm sure you must be familiar with Smedley Darlington Butler?  He had a speech he would give titled "War is a Racket". 

Anytime I see current events being force-fit into a "good guys vs bad guys" frame of reference, I think of ol' Smedley. 

This is one of those times. Someone is working too hard to force fit the pieces.

 

My brain crossed wires and confused Smedley Butler with Edwin A. Walker, the guy that Lee Harvey Oswald took pot shots at before his trip to Dallas. That took a couple trips down the rabbit hole to straighten out. Sigh

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, March 3, 2022 8:55 AM

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Well then, I'm sure you must be familiar with Smedley Darlington Butler?  He had a speech he would give titled "War is a Racket". 

Sure, I know about "Smedley D," all Marines know about him!  Marine Corps history is part of the boot camp training package, although there's not a lot of mention of "War Is A Racket" for obvious reasons. Considering Smedley's service in the "Banana Wars" ( A Medal of Honor!) I'm not surprised he felt that way. 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, March 3, 2022 8:52 AM

Erik_Mag

 

 
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Frankly Balt, I'm a little skeptical that we are being given the pure, unvarnished truth. Can't really delve into it adequately here without upsetting the powers, etc. But I do believe that neither side is above distortion.

 

 

One piece of advise I've run across with respect to events in the Ukraine is "not to immediately accept at face value any reports from anyone involved." It's most likey accurate to point to Russia as the agressor, and probably accurate to say that Putin and the Russian military underestimated the resolve of the Ukrainians.

Zelensky seems to be a master of messaging.

 

It's like a war played out in social media. Dunce If you were to beieve Facebook, The Ukraine is winning. Dead Next up, Wag the DogMischief

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Posted by kgbw49 on Thursday, March 3, 2022 8:29 AM

'76, unless something changes, there are not going to be any Ukraine DMVs in 6-8 weeks.

Russia is going to encircle and lay siege to the major population centers.

Nothing will get in - no food, no water, no ammunition.

Russia killed millions of Ukrainians before to keep them in the Soviet Union.

There will be millions dead again before this is over as the Russians strangle the life out of that country.

We the USA are still buying Russian oil at 500,000-600,000 barrels per day. China is giving them covert support.

We have done nothing to increase oil supply in the US.

Once Russia cuts off the supply lines to those cities it is only a matter of time.

The cavalry is not coming to save those people.

Sure, sanctions will hurt Russia, but the biggest impact will be too late to save lives, and China will prop Russia up because it is in their imperial interests to have Russia keep Europe and the US occupied.

Read the chess board, folks. Look out Taiwan and South Korea.

Meanwhile, the USA is not even playing checkers.

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Posted by Convicted One on Thursday, March 3, 2022 8:05 AM

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At any rate news reports should be considered what they've been traditionally called, "The first draft of history."

 

Well then, I'm sure you must be familiar with Smedley Darlington Butler?  He had a speech he would give titled "War is a Racket". 

Anytime I see current events being force-fit into a "good guys vs bad guys" frame of reference, I think of ol' Smedley. 

This is one of those times. Someone is working too hard to force fit the pieces.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, March 3, 2022 8:00 AM

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Are American parents, and grandparents, ready see their children, and grandchildren, go into the draft? 

I for one am NOT in favor of any re-institution of the draft, unless there's a formal declaration of war passed by Congress.  Needless to say we haven't had one of those since December 8th 1941. 

Remember the wise words of General Washington, "An army is a dangerous thing to play with."  With a BIG military comes the temptation to "Take it for a test drive!"  We've had enough of that. 

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Posted by Convicted One on Thursday, March 3, 2022 6:56 AM

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But look at it this way, "Who fired the first shot?" or "Who threw the first punch?"

It would be very easy for me to get myself in trouble if I tried to "go deep" on this subject.  I just think we have a definite dual standard in terms of what we consider  to be "provocation", depending upon whether we are dealing, or on the receiving end.  Look at the rant of Ivan Drago's wife in the movie Rocky IV.  I realize that is only a scripted drama. But I feel the talking points to be valid.

How it applies here? I believe the prospect of Ukraine "threatening" to join NATO might very well be seen as a domino from the inverse perspective.    I'm not cheering for the other side, mind you, but I just don't believe that equal time for opposed points of view are making it into the narrative, either.

That's about as far as I feel I can go here, accept it or reject it, I'm not looking to argue.

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Thursday, March 3, 2022 1:13 AM

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Frankly Balt, I'm a little skeptical that we are being given the pure, unvarnished truth. Can't really delve into it adequately here without upsetting the powers, etc. But I do believe that neither side is above distortion.

One piece of advise I've run across with respect to events in the Ukraine is "not to immediately accept at face value any reports from anyone involved." It's most likey accurate to point to Russia as the agressor, and probably accurate to say that Putin and the Russian military underestimated the resolve of the Ukrainians.

Zelensky seems to be a master of messaging.

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Posted by JoeBlow on Wednesday, March 2, 2022 9:55 PM

A couple of years ago Hanjin was crippled by a cyber attack that lasted for a month. Many companies lost money while the entire mess was sorted out.

But that is not the scary part. The US military is woefully understaffed. Many people who served in the Long War (Iraq/Afghanistan) retired early after serving 2 or 3 consecutive tours stressing the volunteer military model. 

Are American parents, and grandparents, ready see their children, and grandchildren, go into the draft? 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, March 2, 2022 3:56 PM

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Naked agression against a sovereign peaceful country is worlds beyond politics.

 

 

Frankly Balt, I'm a little skeptical that we are being given the pure, unvarnished truth. Can't really delve into it adequately here without upsetting the powers, etc. But I do believe that neither side is above distortion.

 

 

The historian in me says you really can't get the whole correct picture until 150 years have passed since a major event, like a war for example. There are exceptions of course.

At any rate news reports should be considered what they've been traditionally called, "The first draft of history."

But look at it this way, "Who fired the first shot?" or "Who threw the first punch?"

As an aside, the Ukrainians must be doing even better than we thought.  According to this there might be some interesting registration applications at Ukrainian DMV's after this is all over.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/tanks-a-million-ukrainians-permitted-to-skip-tax-declarations-for-seized-russian-tanks

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, March 2, 2022 3:20 PM

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Naked agression against a sovereign peaceful country is worlds beyond politics.

 

Frankly Balt, I'm a little skeptical that we are being given the pure, unvarnished truth. Can't really delve into it adequately here without upsetting the powers, etc. But I do believe that neither side is above distortion.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 2, 2022 2:24 PM

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Naked agression against a sovereign peaceful country is worlds beyond politics.

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Posted by ccltrains on Wednesday, March 2, 2022 9:33 AM

One of my life rules is to never discuss politics or religion.  It holds true here.

 

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Tuesday, March 1, 2022 11:34 PM

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given a powerful enough jammer

Who has that exactly?    Also who has overcome the anti-spoofing and anti-jamming capabilities of a U.S. military reciever.   I am just curious because the military has spent a lot of money in this area.   I never heard it happening in any conflict.  I've heard of our military jamming others GPS access (civilian GPS I believe) but not the reverse.

A little bit of searching for GPS transmitter power came up with 500W effective radiated power (ERP) for the L1 signals. Given that the satellites are very roughly 10,000 miles away, a transmitter 100 miles away would need 50mW ERP to equal the received signal strength from the satellite. A local UHF-TV station was operating with an ERP of 4MW on a frequency not much lower than the L1 signals so it's conceivable that a transmitter could be made that would provide a signal level about 80dB higher than the signals from the satellites which would likely overwhelm any processing gains from the direct sequence spread spectrum modulation used by GPS. This is simply brute force.

500W ERP from 100 miles would probably degrade the accuracy.

Spoofing would require a lot more sophistication, but Iran was apparently able to use GPS spoofing to capture a US drone a number of years ago. I strongly suspect that a fairly spoof resistant receiver could be made by using a good atomic clock, a phased array antenna system and just the civilian GPS channels.

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Posted by alphas on Tuesday, March 1, 2022 10:10 PM

The  things that impressed my kids the most when they asked me what were the things I remember that were different from their lives:

1.  I didn't have TV until I was 15 and we only had 2 channels.

2.   I traveled in passenger trains pulled by steam locomotives.

3.   I started earning money at the age of 8 [mowing, raking, shoveling snow] and had a steady after school job at the age of 12 that wasn't delivering newspapers [illegal of course but it was common in my area] making 35 cents an hour.

4.  Candy bars and soft drinks cost a nickel in my younger years.

5. Phone numbers were first 4 digits then 5 digits in my area.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, March 1, 2022 7:37 PM

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I suspect that many of us old-timers would freak out if we were forced back into the environment of our parents' youths. 

I'm with Flintlock on this one.  

My generation didn't see the sea change that the current generations have experienced.  

Sure, things changed.  But I can identify with the life my parents lived, even if I didn't live the same life.  I'm fortunate to be aware of that life.  My maternal grandfather was, at one point, a lumberjack.  My maternal grandmother taught in a one-room schoolhouse.  My father's parents ran a coal yard.  

I've never milked a cow, but I can drive a tractor and stack hay on a wagon.  I've ridden miles on a bike, without Mom knowing where I was.  

Today we see things such as kids freaking out because their entire life revolves around a small electronic device.  Kids actually walking down the mall together, but communicating with each other on their phones.  

There's a facebook meme along the lines of "my kids asked me what it was like when I was a kid, so I took away their Nintendo, their cell phone, and pushed them outside."

My Grandfather entered the world in 1892 and was 11 when the Wright Brothers managed to get something heavier than air into the air.  He formed his family and my father was born 10 years after the Wright Brothers achievment.  I was told my Grandfather's father was a Conductor on horse car moving people about the city of Baltimore.  My Grandfather hired out on the B&O in 1910 at a age of 18 and retired in 1957 having seen the coming of diesels and the end of steam being squarely in sight.  He embraced 'console' radio and had one about five feet high - a piece of furniture.  He normally commuted to and from work at Camden Station using the Baltimore & Annapolis interurbans between his home in Severna Park and downtown - until the B&A expired in 1953.  He embraced the telephone - and before a dial system was installed in the early 1960's his telephone number was 'Severna Park 45' which got accessed by a operator with patch cables.  When his phone was converted to dial - his number was the assigned three digits for Severna Park with the last four being 4545.  After retirement he and his wife would Snowbird in Ormond Beach, FL and make arrangements to have the local Daytona Beach newspaper sent to me during the Daytona Speed Weeks.  After his wife passed on from a lingerling illness, my father (retired at the time also) got him to fly to Florida for a vacation.  He also got the opportunity to watch man walk on the Moon - quite a transition from when man could not fly.  Unfortunately my father preceeded him in death by about 8 years and he died at age 98.

I can't comprehend all the discoveries that went past his eyes during his lifetime.  To be honest I can barely comprehend the discoveries that have gone past my own eyes in my 75 years.

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