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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, November 16, 2020 6:03 PM

The number of revivals of old threads is related to the lack of interest in recent ones.  If you don't believe that,  look at the dates and low activity levels. 

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Posted by Convicted One on Monday, November 16, 2020 6:26 PM

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Dude - you ARE the old guard!

I set up my own forum once,  but once I had it all organized the  way I wanted it,  I started contemplating the certainty of thread drift,  out of context replies, and expeditionary nonsense, and consequently decided not to invite anyone else to join.  It's pretty nice tho. Cool

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, November 16, 2020 6:37 PM

Convicted One
I set up my own forum once,

I set up a chat for the EMS agency in town, along with their website.  Theoretically, the crews and other members of the squad could use it to communicate non-sensitive information.

Someone found it and shared the info with their friends, resulting in page after page of nonsense.  I shut it down.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, November 16, 2020 7:08 PM

charlie hebdo
The number of revivals of old threads is related to the lack of interest in recent ones.  If you don't believe that,  look at the dates and low activity levels. 

When the 'interesting thread' participants get banned for keeping the threads 'interesting' what do you expect.

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Posted by Paul Milenkovic on Monday, November 16, 2020 7:14 PM

greyhounds

I need to credit wanswheel for his excellent research.  

Does anyone know how I can contact him about this?

 

 

Credit someone for their excellent research?

Now that is a concept familiar to . . . no, never mind, please, please, don't, don't ban me!

If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, November 16, 2020 7:22 PM

charlie hebdo

The number of revivals of old threads is related to the lack of interest in recent ones.  If you don't believe that,  look at the dates and low activity levels. 

 

I'd like to believe that someone found an old thread that interested them, and wanted more. Smile

      There is also the matter of seasonal ups and downs on this forum. Add to that that most everybody is kind of stressed out right. Sigh

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Monday, November 16, 2020 7:23 PM

I never realized there had ever been a problem with forum bans here.

I'm surprised then that several of us, me included, didn't encounter issues in some of the old threads dealing with the now resolved troubles and tribulations around the SS Badger and EPA rules.

Maybe our moderators aren't carferry fans. :)

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Posted by York1 on Monday, November 16, 2020 7:32 PM

On a trains forum, the most active thread is not about trains, but about the forum itself, moderators, and banning.

Since the topics on the forum are started and continued by the posters themselves, I don't think the moderators or the forum owners are at fault for lack of interest.

The number of "interesting" threads that are ended by moderators is very few.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Monday, November 16, 2020 8:01 PM

   First of all, I don't understand why anyone would complain just because of the age of a thread.

   I haven't seriously researched it, but it seems to me that when an old thread is brought up, it often is by a new member.  I figure that someone new would tend to explore the site more extensively than old timers and may even start at oldest post first.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Monday, November 16, 2020 8:04 PM

Paul of Covington

   First of all, I don't understand why anyone would complain just because of the age of a thread.

Paul, I don't get it either. I really don't understand what this brouhaha is all about.

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Monday, November 16, 2020 10:25 PM

SD70Dude

You're senior to him by over 5 years, you must be getting close to a pension!

"Convicted One" was active under another handle when I first joined the forum in Dec 2005 under another handle. Had to change when trying to update my e-mail address and got locked out of the old account.

As for old threads being brought back to life - I often find them to be interesting.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Monday, November 16, 2020 10:35 PM

Erik_Mag
SD70Dude

You're senior to him by over 5 years, you must be getting close to a pension!

"Convicted One" was active under another handle when I first joined the forum in Dec 2005 under another handle. Had to change when trying to update my e-mail address and got locked out of the old account.

As for old threads being brought back to life - I often find them to be interesting.

That's well before my time, but I do remember you as Erikem.  As I recall you weren't the only one who got locked out due to IT issues around that time. 

Glad to see I'm not the only one who doesn't mind seeing old threads revived.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, November 16, 2020 10:47 PM

Erik_Mag
As for old threads being brought back to life - I often find them to be interesting.

Indeed.  I'm not complaining - hopefully no one took any comments I may have made that way.  Inevitably, some one will refer to such a thread as "raised from the dead."

As I said, I suspect that a good number of them - if not most - come from someone doing a web search on some topic and getting a post on the forum as one of the results.  

Sometimes a browse through such a thread will bring to mind some posters who we don't see around any more, for a variety of reasons.  

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 1:17 AM

Convicted One

 

 
 

Interestingly enough, even when the "on board" search engine was disfunctional, you could find items deep inside this forum, via a routine google search.

Which, ostensibly at least, would explain how a n00b might find deep treasure here. That google search may have been what brought them here in the first place. ...

Oh, I had forgotten that, but I have found that myself.  A simple google search has an early result showing trains.com and an obvious quote of some kind. But with our resident search engine, I must be batting near 180.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 8:15 AM

I agree.  I like some old threads because they are often more interesting than current ones.  The resurrected threads along with process ones like this one generate more posts than most recent ones. IMO,  shutting down threads that stray from a pure railroad focus damages the future of the forum as participation continues to slide downhill. 

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Posted by Convicted One on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:30 AM

selector
Oh, I had forgotten that, but I have found that myself

And, I'm not unsympathetic to the gist of your earlier posts. I realize that there have been a few people seemingly dedicated to disruption, who would put forth the effort to return again and again just to amuse themselves.

And you are saying that it was particularly thought provoking when a new "player" would show up, and appear to have an encyclopedic knowledge of which old threads could provoke the most uproar.....I'm sure that I would feel the exact same way, if I had been in your shoes.

Still, even a broken clock is correct twice per day...I don't think we can completely rule out the possibility that a total outsider could have been googling for controversial topics, and simply won the lottery here.

Ban them all, and let Sergey Brin sort them out?  Whistling

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Posted by Convicted One on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:38 AM

And, it's likely similar to the clientele in a  bar.   If you allow the riff-raff to dominate the atmosphere, whenever decent folk come along their first impression is "Oh, we're in the wrong place".

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:33 AM

Convicted One
And, it's likely similar to the clientele in a  bar.   If you allow the riff-raff to dominate the atmosphere, whenever decent folk come along their first impression is "Oh, we're in the wrong place".

In this 'bar' however the barkeep has thrown out decent folk in deference to riff-raff.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:47 AM

BaltACD
Convicted One
And, it's likely similar to the clientele in a  bar.   If you allow the riff-raff to dominate the atmosphere, whenever decent folk come along their first impression is "Oh, we're in the wrong place".

In this 'bar' however the barkeep has thrown out decent folk in deference to riff-raff.

At least Raymond hasn't been back for a while.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 12:07 PM

BaltACD
Convicted One

 

In this 'bar' however the barkeep has thrown out decent folk in deference to riff-raff.

 As an observation: Both Convicted One and Balt ACD are right in their observations,IMHO.  As far as they go. In the 'Bar business', as apparently, as well as the Hobby Publishing business, It is generally, the Regular Patrons who help the business success. 

A crowd attracts the folks looking for a 'different' experience. They'll come, and some may stay; the element of the riff-raff, come and move-on. Many of them swing on their own agenedas.    

  Moderators, are the 'Bouncers' in that mix.  They 'enforce', reguate, and settle down the 'over-exhuberant' for the management.     I'll leave those comments to Selector, Murphy Siding, and maybe even 'bergie(?)  the first two certainly, at time derwent their baptisms of fire....Bergie, who really bailed out, took his Slivovitz, and ran. Sigh

Moderation seems to ebb and flow srounf here; in the past there have been some pretty 'enlightening' discussions (ie: Things regarding MILWRR !) and some pretty heavy converstions ( Flamings(?) maybe! Bang Head )   (ie: futuremodal, Michael Sol) that got pretty intense.  Then there was the 'moderator' who was sent over to ride herd on TRAINS Forum from the MR Forum...He was apparently, not used to dealing with adults(?).. He got his tail feathers singed, IIRC.  Blindfold

Just a few random thoughts. Whistling

 

 

 

 


 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 12:19 PM

charlie hebdo

I agree.  I like some old threads because they are often more interesting than current ones.  The resurrected threads along with process ones like this one generate more posts than most recent ones. IMO,  shutting down threads that stray from a pure railroad focus damages the future of the forum as participation continues to slide downhill. 

 

Surely the antidote for lack of interesting current threads would be to start a new thread.Smile

 

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 1:02 PM

SD70Dude

 

 
BaltACD
Convicted One
And, it's likely similar to the clientele in a  bar.   If you allow the riff-raff to dominate the atmosphere, whenever decent folk come along their first impression is "Oh, we're in the wrong place".

In this 'bar' however the barkeep has thrown out decent folk in deference to riff-raff.

 

 

At least Raymond hasn't been back for a while.

 

Yes,  and we should give thanks for that,  but he did have some defenders on here,  at least in the past.  Some good posters were pushed away,  however,  one way or another. 

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Posted by rrnut282 on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 1:39 PM

I may be on thin ice here, but I have noticed the long-term, chilling effect of the moderation on this site.  When I joined, every day I would check the "unread thread page" and it would sometimes run 2 or 3 pages if I skipped a day (that was the old software)   Now, when I check in, the first page is the same as it was last month.  My own participation follows this pattern, too, as it is tiring to walk on eggshells all the time.  

This phenomenon is not unique to this site.  I've noticed a slowdown in participation on other rail related sites I visit.

 

It's free, so who am I to complain?  A forum dedicated to trains, is a god-send, I just wish it lived up to its potential.  

And Zug, I think I get first choice on rockingchairs.  Whistling

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Posted by Euclid on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 3:07 PM

Whatever is affecting this forum, I think has nothing to do with the moderators.

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Posted by Goodtiming on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:09 PM

I do. When you start to ban knowledgeable people, eventually most that remain are less knowledgeable. I learned a lot from  MM and WANs over the years.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:10 PM

What exactly is the Unread Threads Page, and how does one access it?

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:19 PM

Goodtiming
I do. When you start to ban knowledgeable people, eventually most that remain are less knowledgeable. I learned a lot from  MM and WANs over the years.

Yeah, but posting pages and pages of copyrighted information is pretty much forbidden on any site. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:26 PM

zugmann
 
Goodtiming
I do. When you start to ban knowledgeable people, eventually most that remain are less knowledgeable. I learned a lot from  MM and WANs over the years. 

Yeah, but posting pages and pages of copyrighted information is pretty much forbidden on any site. 

What I am no clear on - did they create images from old printed media and post it OR did they find that data in the far corners of the web and post 'hot links' to it?

I find it hard to believe that they had such extensive libraries at their fingertips as to be able to cull the precise printed pages to scan and post.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:36 PM

BaltACD
I find it hard to believe that they had such extensive libraries at their fingertips as to be able to cull the precise printed pages to scan and post.

There are a lot of resources available on the 'Net.  Some are copyrighted, but still available for C&P.

I believe we've discussed it before - but I think that a certain amount of attributed use is acceptable - fair use?  

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:42 PM

Lithonia Operator

What exactly is the Unread Threads Page, and how does one access it?

Just above the list of topics are 4 "tabs".  "Most Recent", "Not Answered", "Unread Topics", and "My Topics".  Click on the 3rd one to see all the topics that YOU have not viewed.  Once you have read all the ones you want, click on the button above the tabs that reads, "Mark All as Read" and the list will show none, until someone starts a new topic or adds to a topic.  When you refresh the page those that you have not seen yet, will be listed.

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