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Posted by zugmann on Friday, July 31, 2020 8:27 PM

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Don't think I ever got a full tank in any of the cars I have bought for over 50 years.

I did once in a used truck - but that was an old-school dealer.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, July 31, 2020 8:25 PM

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Yeah, I can just see customers complaining when their self delivered "new" car shows up with 2000 miles on the odometer. 

   Tell them it's pre-broken-in at no extra charge.

   But who refuels them when the trip is over about 300 miles?

   Maybe if Amazon sells them they could be delivered by drone. 

If they can drive themselves then surely they can refuel themselves too.. 

Amazon drones will deliver them!  And if you are  Prime member the shipping is free.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, July 31, 2020 8:24 PM

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   But who refuels them when the trip is over about 300 miles? 

Lots of places don't fill the tanks when you buy a car anymore.  

Don't think I ever got a full tank in any of the cars I have bought for over 50 years.

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, July 31, 2020 8:11 PM

Paul of Covington
   But who refuels them when the trip is over about 300 miles?

Lots of places don't fill the tanks when you buy a car anymore.  

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, July 31, 2020 8:09 PM

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What I don't understand is all the people who supposedly don't have the time to go and buy a new car.  If you can't take a few hours to make your second biggest purchase, you either have screwed up priorities or are working way too many hours.

Or the car buying process sucks.  And if you know what you want - why bother with the hassle? 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, July 31, 2020 5:28 PM

Paul of Covington

 

 
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Yeah, I can just see customers complaining when their self delivered "new" car shows up with 2000 miles on the odometer.

 

 

 

   Tell them it's pre-broken-in at no extra charge.

   But who refuels them when the trip is over about 300 miles?

   Maybe if Amazon sells them they could be delivered by drone.

 

 

 

If they can drive themselves then surely they can refuel themselves too.. 

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, July 31, 2020 5:27 PM

Backshop

What I don't understand is all the people who supposedly don't have the time to go and buy a new car.  If you can't take a few hours to make your second biggest purchase, you either have screwed up priorities or are working way too many hours.

 

 

They have the time but would prefer to do other things with it. I don't want to hang out at a car dealership... would much rather sleep in or  pursue a hobby. 

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, July 31, 2020 5:25 PM

Backshop

Yeah, I can just see customers complaining when their self delivered "new" car shows up with 2000 miles on the odometer.

 

Broke in at 2000 miles.. no big deal.  

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Posted by Backshop on Friday, July 31, 2020 5:00 PM

What I don't understand is all the people who supposedly don't have the time to go and buy a new car.  If you can't take a few hours to make your second biggest purchase, you either have screwed up priorities or are working way too many hours.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Friday, July 31, 2020 4:22 PM

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Yeah, I can just see customers complaining when their self delivered "new" car shows up with 2000 miles on the odometer.

 

   Tell them it's pre-broken-in at no extra charge.

   But who refuels them when the trip is over about 300 miles?

   Maybe if Amazon sells them they could be delivered by drone.

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Posted by Backshop on Friday, July 31, 2020 3:42 PM

Yeah, I can just see customers complaining when their self delivered "new" car shows up with 2000 miles on the odometer.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, July 31, 2020 2:06 PM

Marginal cost of operating an autonomous car from factory to 'point of acceptance' is not only lower than the cost by electric truck net of infrastructure expenses ... it is likely lower than the pro rata cost to finance and maintain it.

And the cars are just as likely to gang-drive to a railhead and park themselves if going somewhere in sufficient masse to warrant  crrier: precisely the same logic applies to shorter-run or distributed destination as you're using for truck vs. legacy rail.  It's like the Rotterdam example but without the need for trucks at all; the cars can even run in full cocoon except for sensors.

Pre-discounted for the extra miles run, if that is a concern.  The Carvana approach is probably best for last-mile, because the truck is one-on-one (and should nicely adjust to an Amazon-style BEV or hybrid-electric chassis) if keeping odometers low is important.  But that's different from 'commodity' long-distance car carriers, or specialty providers like Horseless Carriage for which rail couldn't be a practical option in the first place.

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Posted by Juniata Man on Friday, July 31, 2020 1:09 PM

And when teleportation becomes available, we won't even need cars.

"Beam me up Scotty!"

 

 

csxns

 

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deliver themselves. From the looks of things, it won't be long until rail is shut out of the automotive sector entirely.

 

Add trucks to that if cars can deliever themselves.

 

 

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Posted by csxns on Friday, July 31, 2020 11:12 AM

ttrraaffiicc
deliver themselves. From the looks of things, it won't be long until rail is shut out of the automotive sector entirely.

Add trucks to that if cars can deliever themselves.

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Posted by ttrraaffiicc on Friday, July 31, 2020 11:06 AM

I think one thing that is missing from the discussion here is the fact that once cars are able to drive themselves there won't be any need for autoracks as the cars can literally deliver themselves. From the looks of things, it won't be long until rail is shut out of the automotive sector entirely.

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, July 31, 2020 11:05 AM

Look at the Tesla Model ..  show rooms in shopping areas with a few models to test drive. Then you order off a web page to have it delivered.  

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Posted by Backshop on Friday, July 31, 2020 11:03 AM

SD60MAC9500
 

 

 
NorthWest

I highly recommend watching the whole presentation if you have the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxUnryZuy8g&feature=emb_logo

Continuing the same business model will be increasingly unviable as the shipping industry trends towards smaller shipments moving shorter distances.

Shifting the business model to account for these changes is possible, however.

 

 

 

 

 

They say automotive traffic is declining.. Saying Automotive is very broad as that cover autoparts as well. I imagine their graph combine both parts and finished autos, etc, which would give trucking greater market share. Rail still dominates the market when it comes to finished autos. Autopart traffic has been on the decline in boxcar service for years this is nothing new. I'd like to see their breakdown of autoparts shipped by intermodal.

 
 
 

I go by the Ford Brownstown Parts Redistribution Center every day that I go to work.  Plenty of containers there.

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, July 31, 2020 11:03 AM

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Ulrich
 
Juniata Man

As much as I dislike "the dance" that's involved when walking into a dealership to purchase a new vehicle; it is incomprehensible to me to purchase a vehicle on line and have it show up in my driveway without having test driven it.  Heck; I won't even purchase a new pair of walking shoes on line as I like trying them on before buying.

And I realize cars and shoes purchased on line can be returned but, there are some things I need to actually "experience" before pulling the trigger on buying. 

Better return policies would fix that.. and  perhaps one would be able to take the car for a "virtual" spin before buying it.. 

 

Virtual - as real as it may seem - IS NOT REAL

You don't get the feel of the real ergonomics from a virtual representation.

 

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Not yet! It's just a matter of time..

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, July 31, 2020 11:02 AM

BaltACD

 

Not yet!. It's just a matter of time. 

 

 
Ulrich
 
Juniata Man

As much as I dislike "the dance" that's involved when walking into a dealership to purchase a new vehicle; it is incomprehensible to me to purchase a vehicle on line and have it show up in my driveway without having test driven it.  Heck; I won't even purchase a new pair of walking shoes on line as I like trying them on before buying.

And I realize cars and shoes purchased on line can be returned but, there are some things I need to actually "experience" before pulling the trigger on buying. 

Better return policies would fix that.. and  perhaps one would be able to take the car for a "virtual" spin before buying it.. 

 

Virtual - as real as it may seem - IS NOT REAL

You don't get the feel of the real ergonomics from a virtual representation.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, July 31, 2020 10:53 AM

Ulrich
 
Juniata Man

As much as I dislike "the dance" that's involved when walking into a dealership to purchase a new vehicle; it is incomprehensible to me to purchase a vehicle on line and have it show up in my driveway without having test driven it.  Heck; I won't even purchase a new pair of walking shoes on line as I like trying them on before buying.

And I realize cars and shoes purchased on line can be returned but, there are some things I need to actually "experience" before pulling the trigger on buying. 

Better return policies would fix that.. and  perhaps one would be able to take the car for a "virtual" spin before buying it.. 

Virtual - as real as it may seem - IS NOT REAL

You don't get the feel of the real ergonomics from a virtual representation.

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, July 31, 2020 10:47 AM

Juniata Man

As much as I dislike "the dance" that's involved when walking into a dealership to purchase a new vehicle; it is incomprehensible to me to purchase a vehicle on line and have it show up in my driveway without having test driven it.  Heck; I won't even purchase a new pair of walking shoes on line as I like trying them on before buying.

And I realize cars and shoes purchased on line can be returned but, there are some things I need to actually "experience" before pulling the trigger on buying.

 

Better return policies would fix that.. and  perhaps one would be able to take the car for a "virtual" spin before buying it.. 

 

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Friday, July 31, 2020 10:25 AM
 

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I highly recommend watching the whole presentation if you have the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxUnryZuy8g&feature=emb_logo

Continuing the same business model will be increasingly unviable as the shipping industry trends towards smaller shipments moving shorter distances.

Shifting the business model to account for these changes is possible, however.

 

 

 

They say automotive traffic is declining.. Saying Automotive is very broad as that cover autoparts as well. I imagine their graph combine both parts and finished autos, etc, which would give trucking greater market share. Rail still dominates the market when it comes to finished autos. Autopart traffic has been on the decline in boxcar service for years this is nothing new. I'd like to see their breakdown of autoparts shipped by intermodal.

 
 
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, July 31, 2020 10:19 AM

Most of the online car selling services that advertise so heavily seem to be dealing in used cars.  Picking a used car off a website seems to be a high-risk decision to me since I can't independently verify the "facts" in the attached blurb.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Friday, July 31, 2020 10:02 AM

Right.  Why pay for all the overhead and profit margins of a middle man (dealer)?  Even now,  a large and increasing  portion of dealers' new car sales are from online. They get the vehicle you want from another dealer or the manufacturer's stock.   Fewer and fewer folks buy a car straight off the lot. 

As to the original post,  I sure see a lot of autoracks on the UP. 

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Posted by Juniata Man on Friday, July 31, 2020 9:59 AM

As much as I dislike "the dance" that's involved when walking into a dealership to purchase a new vehicle; it is incomprehensible to me to purchase a vehicle on line and have it show up in my driveway without having test driven it.  Heck; I won't even purchase a new pair of walking shoes on line as I like trying them on before buying.

And I realize cars and shoes purchased on line can be returned but, there are some things I need to actually "experience" before pulling the trigger on buying.

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Posted by JPS1 on Friday, July 31, 2020 9:20 AM

Overmod
 More buggy-whip assumptions.

Two of my acquaintances have bought used cars from Carvana.  They shopped on-line, ordered what they wanted, and viola it was delivered.  Moreover, my local Toyota dealer offers the same option.  I could go on-line, pick out a vehicle, organize the details on-line or over the phone, and have the car delivered. 

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, July 31, 2020 9:07 AM

The service is still in its infancy.. I'm sure online shopping and delivery to your door services will improve greatly over the coming five years. It may not seem that way though because consumer expectations will continue to go up accordingly. Just look at the home pizza delivery biz.. Once upon a time we had to actually CALL the pizza joint to place an order.. now we just go online, and most places will give you a a detailed minute by minute update on how your pizza is progressing. Yet still we fret about not having it in our hands sooner.. maybe drones can get the finished product to us even faster? It will be the same with everything else. Need a new shirt? Hmm.. why isn't it here yet when I placed the order over  20 minutes ago? Among the universe of products and services that are available at our disposal nothing exists to temper consumer expectations... the better things get the more and faster we want them. 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Friday, July 31, 2020 8:30 AM

Ulrich

Would be great to order our customized vehicles on line and then have them show up on their own in our driveways. 

I have two items on order right now that are waaaay late to be delivered and the tracking info only lists that they got shipped (different vendors, different delivery companies) last month.  It is bad enough that one of these items was $460, but if I am going to spend $20,000 to $60,000+ on a product, it had better be on display in a show room and I can drive it away myself upon payment!

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, July 31, 2020 8:02 AM

I do not believe you will see driverless trucks, buses, or cars, on the national general highway and street system, in your lifetime.    Too many legal and safety issues. Just as the perfect laptop that never errors is still to arrive.  Automatic and self-driving operation, yes to improve safety, but still with a licensed driver on board.

 

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, July 31, 2020 7:43 AM

Would be great to order our customized vehicles on line and then have them show up on their own in our driveways. 

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