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What has happened to TOFC?

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Posted by greyhounds on Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:49 PM

In markets where double stack can be fully used it has tremendous advantages over TOFC.  These advantages are largely in tare weight and length.  In these markets TOFC simply has been largely replaced by a better system.

A five platform Trinity spine car is 290' 7 1/2" over pulling faces, weighs 175,000 pounds, and can carry five TOFC trailers.

A three platform Gunderson well car is 203' 9 3/4" over pulling faces, weighs but 125,000 pounds, and can carry six containers.  (I know, it might carry more 20' containers.)

So with double stack the railroad is dragging around far less non revenue (tare) weight in a shorter train length.  I figure the double stack to have around 60% of the tare weight per load of a TOFC train.  That reduces everything from the amount of fuel required, to the number of locomotives required, to wear on track, etc.  

I figure double stack to have around 58% of the length per load of a TOFC train.  This length reduction comes in to significance on main lines.  For example, I recently read that UP's Golden State Route has 9,000 foot sidings.  Because of this, they limit train length to 8,800 feet on that route.  On an 8,800 foot train they can carry something like 240 containers.  On a similar length TOFC train, needed to fit the sidings, they would be limited to far fewer loads.  This would drive the cost per load up.

Length also comes into importance in terminals.  The terminal tracks are only so long.  They can handle more volume with double stack than they can with TOFC.  Terminals are expensive to expand.

Having said all that, I think there is a place for TOFC.  It will do well in smaller, shorter haul markets where the railroads will never be able to develop 240 container trains.  Sioux City-Chicago would be such a market. 

 

 

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Posted by Ulrich on Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:41 PM

TOFC is for the most part gone on Canadian railroads. CP's Expressway is the only exception that comes to mind. 

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Posted by Norm48327 on Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:40 PM

Shadow the Cats owner

With the biggest customers UPS Fed Ex along with JB Hunt and Schiender all running containers for the most part anymore TOFC is going to become rare.

IT MAY. BUT IN THE MEANTIME....

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:53 PM

With the biggest customers UPS Fed Ex along with JB Hunt and Schiender all running containers for the most part anymore TOFC is going to become rare. 

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Posted by Norm48327 on Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:16 AM

Lots of TOFC, frequently mixed in with COFC, to be seen on the Chesterton Railcam.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:19 AM

overall

 

I never see TOFC anymore on the CSX in the Nashville area. I see plenty of double stack containers on intermodal trains but no trailers. Has CSX stopped handling this traffic? Have other railroads stopped it also? The AAR still reports on trailers moved, so there must be some moving somewhere.

 

 

        In this area, South Central Ks. BNSF runs any number of COFC in all directions (East, Towards KC area; South towards OK and Tx(via Ark City) and West onto BNSF Sou. T-con).  Have never specifically counted trains, I just have observed that many Double Stacked COFC's also will have a string of TOFC cars tagged on to their length. Over weekend, Westbounds will have a lot of reefer trailers(Prime/T/A/MARTEN,etc)  in their TOFC consists. First of the week, Eastbounds seem to have reefers in their TOFC consists,also ( difference is most of these have their units running). Lots of regular route trailers (Common Carriers) dry boxes. FedEx cans seem to get mixed in amongst TOFC trailers, as well as riding in stacks as well. Of Course, JBH is predominent, but occasionally, CH Robinson,Schneider, CSX,etc. cans can also be seen in the mix, and often ride on the permium trains. About once a week we get a westbound train with all export cans, this train generally will have ony two, maybe three engines on head end, a couple of units back in at about mid-train, and one unit on the DPU, and sometimes maybe two units in that position.  The only trains I generally see are off the Ellinor sub between Mulvane and Augusta. The line south from Wichita has much more traffic over the day's time. My 2 Cents

Here is a link to BNSF in Kansas PDF map @https://www.bnsf.com/customers/pdf/maps/div_ks.pdf 

 

 

 


 

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Posted by RME on Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:04 AM

In the absence of dedicated lanes of TOFC traffic, it's relatively unlikely you will see 'a couple' of trailers in a stack or container-intermodal consist.  I am at the 'other end' of the Memphis-Nashville CSX line and will see if I have time to check consists at some point.

NS (the ex-Southern line) does run the occasional trailer in a container consist (the last I saw was about 5 days ago, one trailer in an otherwise container consist that was, I think, single-stacked or predominantly so), and in fact still runs spine cars with the little half-decks suitable for sideloaded trailers (I haven't seen an actual trailer moving on one of those yet, only containers).  When I see another, I'll make a note of the car type and number, which may give a guide to how and where the trailer was loaded.

CSX traffic 'siameses' with CN traffic for a couple of miles over the ex-IC to reach Broadway and the Mississippi bridges, and if I get the chance I will watch for trailers in CN service.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:00 AM

I see them on the Rochelle, IL, and Roanoke, VA webcams nearly every time I watch them.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM

The traffic has migrated to containers.  Less expensive for everyone.

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What has happened to TOFC?
Posted by overall on Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:49 AM

 

I never see TOFC anymore on the CSX in the Nashville area. I see plenty of double stack containers on intermodal trains but no trailers. Has CSX stopped handling this traffic? Have other railroads stopped it also? The AAR still reports on trailers moved, so there must be some moving somewhere.

 

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