QUOTE: For so far I have not heard the flip side reason why the greenhouse gases are increasing. I have a pretty good idea what is causing them to increase but do they say this or something else?
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Another prediction: Look for the Jones Act to be eliminated. This action would have a huge impact on rail operations, as it would allow foreign flagged ships to sail between U.S. ports. It might make Alaskan coals price competitive with PRB coals in coastal coal consumer markets. Also could take some north-south trade away from the railroads on the East Coast.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Another prediction: Look for the Jones Act to be eliminated. This action would have a huge impact on rail operations, as it would allow foreign flagged ships to sail between U.S. ports. It might make Alaskan coals price competitive with PRB coals in coastal coal consumer markets. Also could take some north-south trade away from the railroads on the East Coast. What a bunch of BUNK. The usual FM drivel. FM, get with the program. The Congressional support for a repeal of the Jones Act doesn't exist, even with a Republican majority in both Houses and a Republican President... What is your source of information for this unfettered speculation??? LC
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Another prediction: Look for the Jones Act to be eliminated. This action would have a huge impact on rail operations, as it would allow foreign flagged ships to sail between U.S. ports. It might make Alaskan coals price competitive with PRB coals in coastal coal consumer markets. Also could take some north-south trade away from the railroads on the East Coast. What a bunch of BUNK. The usual FM drivel. FM, get with the program. The Congressional support for a repeal of the Jones Act doesn't exist, even with a Republican majority in both Houses and a Republican President... What is your source of information for this unfettered speculation??? LC Yes it is speculation. That is why it is a prediction. Speculation is part of prediction. You forget that the Alaskan congressional delegation supports repeal of the Jones Act, and their members are in key positions to introduce such legislation. The opposition to repeal of the Jones Act would comes primarly from the blue states, and last time I checked they lost influence in the last election. I also don't believe they'd go to the extreme of fillibustering a Jones Act repeal or revision as part of a general transportation legislation. Again, I will go out on a limb and predict that repeal or revision of the Jones Act will be acted on in the next four years.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Andrew, You need to be more concise in your arguments. We're not talking about ozone. We're not saying that pollution should not be reduced. All we are saying is look at the facts regarding man's true contribution to the greenhouse effect, and then make sure you keep the greenhouse effect in it's proper place in relation to solar and orbital variations. Since man's contribution of CO2 only amounts to 0.17% of the total greenhouse effect, it should be quite evident to all concerned that not only is that 0.17% insignificant to the entire greenhouse gas effect, it is even insignificant in relation to the extreme climate variance that has occured for eons. Since Kyoto only calls for a 7% reduction in man made CO2, it will have absolutely no effect whatsoever on the total greenhouse effect, therefore it is legislation that should have been rejected. The greenhouse effect itself is a distant third to solar and orbital variations in it's effects on climate variations. Those of you who still cling to the global warming theories need to open your minds and take into account all the relevent variables regarding global climate change.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan [ Than why is it a concern? Why should I believe your source of information over the hundreds if not thousands of well known scientists and highly respected research agencies that depend on their integrity? What makes your sources more credible than the sources I have seen?
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Another prediction: Look for the Jones Act to be eliminated. This action would have a huge impact on rail operations, as it would allow foreign flagged ships to sail between U.S. ports. It might make Alaskan coals price competitive with PRB coals in coastal coal consumer markets. Also could take some north-south trade away from the railroads on the East Coast. What a bunch of BUNK. The usual FM drivel. FM, get with the program. The Congressional support for a repeal of the Jones Act doesn't exist, even with a Republican majority in both Houses and a Republican President... What is your source of information for this unfettered speculation??? LC Yes it is speculation. That is why it is a prediction. Speculation is part of prediction. You forget that the Alaskan congressional delegation supports repeal of the Jones Act, and their members are in key positions to introduce such legislation. The opposition to repeal of the Jones Act would comes primarly from the blue states, and last time I checked they lost influence in the last election. I also don't believe they'd go to the extreme of fillibustering a Jones Act repeal or revision as part of a general transportation legislation. Again, I will go out on a limb and predict that repeal or revision of the Jones Act will be acted on in the next four years. No. Generally a prediction is based upon some fact or facts and is not mere speculation. I sincerely doubt Sen. Stevens or the rest of the Alaskan delegation has enough pull to overcome the opposition to repeal of the Jones Act. Further, as our native Merchant Marine is so tied to our military I think you will find there is a lot more support for the Jones Act than you realize. I would suggest you read the last link in my post above carefully. It indicates that the Marine Cabotage Task Force (MCTF) founded to oppose efforts to repeal the Jones Act included over 400 companies and organizations including shipping companies, barge companies, shipyards, industry associations, labor organizations, defense industry groups and others. Also, you should be aware that there is a significant support for U.S. flag shipping in the entire Great Lakes area and along the east coast. I would expect that there is likely additional support elsewhere. Further, the last time efforts were made in the Congress to seek a repeal of the Jones Act, not a single cosponsor could be found for the legislation, Democrat or Republican. Hardly a ringing endorsement of your position. I hardly see this as a Democratic issue. It is likely to be a jobs issue and I doubt anyone wants to endorse giving U.S. jobs to foreign companies, that would be political suicide given the current outsourcing issues. Jobs are just as important to red and blue states. I'll look forward to sawing off that limb, if you're still here in 4 years... LC
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear FM- The following is an excerpt from the document in Mark Hemphill's post above that apparently you didn't bother to read. I doubt the WTO wants to take up arms against 50+ countries including the U.S. LC << Is the Jones Act uniquely American or do other nations have similar laws? The concept of Cabotage is common to virtually all nations with a Merchant Marine. Nearly 50 countries throughout the world have laws similar to the Jones Act. >> The above from: http://www.lcaships.com/jones.html#anchor1
QUOTE: Originally posted by PNWRMNM . The proponents of global warming first need to explain these massive historical changes in climate before they can begin to impute much of anything to our puny efforts. To the best of my knowledge they have yet to clear that first hurdle. I would advise you to remember that these scientists are not disinterested observers, they get paid to raise alarms and argue. Politicians grab power, and our freedoms, in the name of solving problems, many of which would work themselves out far better if the politicians left them alone. Politicians can not leave even a potential problem alone because their power comes from the problems. The more problems politicians can make, the more they can fix, the more power they have. Lust for power is what makes most politicians run. Mac
QUOTE: Originally posted by PNWRMNM Junction, ... I would advise you to remember that these scientists are not disinterested observers, they get paid to raise alarms and argue.
QUOTE: Originally posted by garyaiki QUOTE: Originally posted by PNWRMNM Junction, ... I would advise you to remember that these scientists are not disinterested observers, they get paid to raise alarms and argue. Yes, this is quite clear. Global warming isn't the problem, scientists are!
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal The interesting thing about the Jones Act debate is those who support continuation are the ones who have the monopoly power over U.S. coastal shipping. Obviously, they'll say anything to keep their market unintruded by others, even to the point of defying current economic logic. The ones who want to ditch the Jones Act are those who are currently being undermined by it. Since the latter represent a far larger segment of the economy, it should be obvious to anyone that repeal of the Jones Act would result in a net economic gain. However, some will continue to defy logic......
QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper I still think the only argument that will really work with Bush is national defense.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal The interesting thing about the Jones Act debate is those who support continuation are the ones who have the monopoly power over U.S. coastal shipping. Obviously, they'll say anything to keep their market unintruded by others, even to the point of defying current economic logic. The ones who want to ditch the Jones Act are those who are currently being undermined by it. Since the latter represent a far larger segment of the economy, it should be obvious to anyone that repeal of the Jones Act would result in a net economic gain. However, some will continue to defy logic...... Politics isn't logical, in case you haven't noticed... LC
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