jimnorton I like to see this level of zeal go toward those who actually harm and deface railroad property. As long as vandals have wide open and unchallenged access I say take all the wedding pictures you can! The hypocrisy here is downright amusing!
I like to see this level of zeal go toward those who actually harm and deface railroad property. As long as vandals have wide open and unchallenged access I say take all the wedding pictures you can!
The hypocrisy here is downright amusing!
So is your lack of knowledge of what happens to vandals. In my railroad experience. if vandals are spotted, police are called. Do you work for a railroad to have a different experience?
An "expensive model collector"
I wonder if the locomotive has a head-end video camera? It'd make a great installment on one of those "Worlds Dumbest" TV shows.
"EEK, EEK, SHRIEK, SHRIEK!!!!!" as those fools beat feet off the bridge.
Jimnorton:
What's hypocritical about "No trespassing means no trespassing"?
Tom
Our police dept always has budget concerns. But the railroad police have never hesitated to involve them in any incident that involves the public safety. It sounds like a good working relationship. I don't need a cop behind every tree, but I would like to see a little less of what we are going thru (staying on topic) with people deciding that those silly old trains won't hurt anyone and what an ideal spot to take wedding, graduation, baby, engagement etc. pix - even selfies. See that big ol' train behind me? Aren't there enough scenic places to take pix - sit under a tree. Poison ivy isn't so bad.
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Ulrich Mookie Ulrich Comparing apples to oranges. explanation, please Meant in response to comment on drunk drivers... Not everything requires a police response and court action. Drunk driving obviously does... trespassing not so much.
Mookie Ulrich Comparing apples to oranges. explanation, please
Ulrich Comparing apples to oranges.
Comparing apples to oranges.
Meant in response to comment on drunk drivers... Not everything requires a police response and court action. Drunk driving obviously does... trespassing not so much.
Not apples to oranges at all. Both are illegal with the possibility of death and/or serious injury. If that had been a freight train instead of a tourist train, people would be dead. Being out on that bridge was every bit as dangerous as driving drunk.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
Maybe Kyle could chime in on what to do about weddings on trestles.
Mookie Ulrich Mookie Ulrich Comparing apples to oranges. explanation, please Meant in response to comment on drunk drivers... Thank you! Since I don't know any of who was called or what took place, all I can say is if this happened in this jurisdiction, the railroad would have had police there in a heartbeat and the police would have responded. We do have a great police/fire department.
Ulrich Mookie Ulrich Comparing apples to oranges. explanation, please Meant in response to comment on drunk drivers...
Meant in response to comment on drunk drivers...
How do you know for sure. In all likelihood your police force also has limited resources. Ideally there'd be a cop behind every tree and I guess a lawyer behind every cop...
Jim Norton
Huntsville, AL
Semper Vaporo I agree that the police have "better" things to do, but if the RR just ignores the trespassing it is failing to discourage the practice and that will not bode well in court when someone gets killed the next time. At a minimum the photography company should be prosecuted for trespass... maybe that will make an impact on the "industry" and reduce the number if incidences... and maybe save a life or two.... and I can't think of a better thing to do.
I agree that the police have "better" things to do, but if the RR just ignores the trespassing it is failing to discourage the practice and that will not bode well in court when someone gets killed the next time.
At a minimum the photography company should be prosecuted for trespass... maybe that will make an impact on the "industry" and reduce the number if incidences... and maybe save a life or two.... and I can't think of a better thing to do.
[Bold print in the above quote mine for emphasis...] One could easily make the argument that a corporation has both a legal and an ethical obligation to enforce legislation that governs its place in society, including laws pertaining to trespass on property owned by the corporation. Forgetting the legal component, it would be unethical to not discourage trespass on rights of way because of the danger to uneducated people, especially younger people, but also due to the potential costs to shareholders for suits arising from failure/neglect, from injury, etc. If the company had to go belly up after such a suit, it would cause the loss of livelihood of at least some of its employees, hardly a salutary eventuality. So, yes, you are quite correct.
-Crandell
However, this also goes to how do we train our little people to be responsible adults if they are allowed this kind of free-run? This, to me is tantamount to handing them a sharp knife or loaded gun and saying, try to be careful. Go play on the train tracks and be sure you don't get run over??
Must find the duct tape!
Apparently the police disagree with you..hence the lack of action on their part.
Ulrich I'm not defending trespassing or what these clowns did... just saying that calling the cops after the fact when nothing happened is a huge waste of limited resources, and (since I live here) my precious tax dollars. .
I'm not defending trespassing or what these clowns did... just saying that calling the cops after the fact when nothing happened is a huge waste of limited resources, and (since I live here) my precious tax dollars. .
I don't care how busy, how small, how big, how whatever, in the case of trespassing on a high bridge or trestle where we know what can happen, and whether it is a little used or 50 trains a day, I think there should always be a lawsuit. (The pix clearly show there is no way off!) And the police should make a report!
I am not lawsuit happy, but in today's world, it doesn't matter who owns it, it is "mine to play on as I see fit" If we don't start making it really uncomfortable and assessing fines on blatent trespassing, it will only get worse and if the railroad doesn't want to take action, then the next time someone gets hurt, the railroad will be in court paying for it.
I bet your precious tax dollars are being wasted more for repairing damage from trespassers than a cop filing a report and possibly even writing a trespassing ticket.
Yea...The same should be applied to driving while intoxicated. If they don't have an accident and no one actually gets hurt, then enforcement is a waste of limited resources and my precious tax dollars. Right?
cx500 Just lucky it was a short line. http://www.okthepk.ca/news/sep4shortline2014091701.htm
Just lucky it was a short line.
http://www.okthepk.ca/news/sep4shortline2014091701.htm
I seem to recall that within the last couple of years(?) there were some folks, similarly trespassing on an NS trestle in the vicinity of Salisbury,N.C. : That incident did not end as 'happily' as the one in Ontario
Linked story @
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/alternate-theories/95433-ghost-train-hunter-run-over.html
and this @ http://www.wspa.com/story/26465509/coroner-called-to-incident-at-railroad-tracks-in-greer
near Greer, SC.
and the most noted incident of the two women who were trespassing and laid down between the rails as the engine(s?) passed over them; as they avoided death in the ten,or so inches under the train and between the rails.
A quick "Google Chrome" Search of " railroad trespassers hit and killed by trains" returns a response of 695,000 articles....
Trespassing is neither funny or not a problem for the railroads... Sort of shows what They and Operation Lifesaver are up against.
No trespassing means no trespassing for anyone, including myself. No argument there.
So - No Trespassing means "except for you"?
Studied English language for many years and didn't know that!
Ulrich The railroad didn't just ignore the incident. Apparently, the crew gave the wedding party a good dressing down...and that should have been the end of it. Notice the absence of any police response to this story...
The railroad didn't just ignore the incident. Apparently, the crew gave the wedding party a good dressing down...and that should have been the end of it. Notice the absence of any police response to this story...
Unfortunately, the wedding party now has that as a "memory" to be laughed about in years hence.
And for all we know, they were back out on the bridge as soon as the train was out of sight, finishing their photo session.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
No damage to property.. no injuries of any kind..no criminal intent.. .no lawyer on either side would be interested in such a case. According to the article, the police apparently couldn't be bothered either (they are busy fighting crime).
Ulrich, the lawyers defending the producers and director of Midnight Rider would be happy to have you take their side in court.
They got away to breed more.
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
It's not a joke, I agree. But getting the police involved when there was no damage and no one got hurt would be overkill and a poor use of scarce policing resources in a city that has real crime to fight.
The wedding people were trespassing, pure and simple. If somebody had been hurt or killed, the police would have been there anyway. I'm surprised that the article didn't say that they got the vehicle's license plate number and gave that to the police. This isn't a joke!
Well, at least they made it memorable! The train crew could have lightened up a bit too...call the police? Come on..
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