dehusman There are no plans to use drones, what the agreement says is that if drones are used the work belongs exclusively to the master conductors. There are many more far reaching impacts than drones or knuckles.
There are no plans to use drones, what the agreement says is that if drones are used the work belongs exclusively to the master conductors.
There are many more far reaching impacts than drones or knuckles.
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Ok - I am a little slow on the uptake, but they can't do anything until they get PTC put into place and working without either screwing up or being down.
Next - it was only the BNSF, no one else - yet.
How many years in the future are we talking at this point.
I don't want to see a one man crew, but they didn't ask me, either.
Is a drone going to be able to just fly around and go tsk tsk tsk? Or can it lift a knuckle and put it close to where needed? Otherwise, what good is it?
Are we working toward running model trains, only much bigger, much heavier, much faster and from how many states away? I am thinking that PTC will stop the train if the engineer isn't responsive. Well, fine and good from the train point of view, but what about someone calling about the engineer that is having some kind of a medical problem that renders him alive, but unable to respond or call for help?
Is he/she just collateral damage - sorry about that?
This was going on pre-Buffett, so it isn't his "dream" all of a sudden.
Anyone want to tackle some answers for me or just continue to grumble about the situation?
I skimmed over the agreements the other day. This forum was a day late.
I know they want to use PTC as an excuse for one man operations. But there are still many factors that still need more than one man, PTC or not. But the people making these decisions never did the work, so what would they know?* (and that includes some union officials).
I am wondering why we bother with fire extinguishers, smoke detectors and AED machines in railroad buildings. I mean, most of the time we don't need them... so why bother with that extra expense?
*- weren't we discussing the loss of institutional knowledge a few threads back?
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Were you responding to me?
Because I aske the question of Ulrich.
As for the agreement you speak of, I will have a copy monday, and any change to the national requires ratification by all members, not just BNSF.
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The issue is not about knuckle changing, as you would know if you skimmed over the agreements linked. It is the first step in major changes in labor agreements as a result of PTC. As Euclid/Bucyrus said way back, PTC and other technologies will lead to far more automation in operations. As the Dylan song paraphrased goes, "You don't need a railroader to know which way the corporate wind blows." Stormy seas ahead.
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UlrichBaltACD UlrichBaltACD Let's let the non-railroaders figure all the moves required to fix a broken knuckle? No professional help please - and don't hurt yourselves laughing! That doesn't really help. One person by him/herself would find it difficult to change a knuckle... is that correct? Map out the game plan - 1 man or 2. I can't change a knuckle. You can't run a business. Let's move on.
BaltACD UlrichBaltACD Let's let the non-railroaders figure all the moves required to fix a broken knuckle? No professional help please - and don't hurt yourselves laughing! That doesn't really help. One person by him/herself would find it difficult to change a knuckle... is that correct? Map out the game plan - 1 man or 2.
UlrichBaltACD Let's let the non-railroaders figure all the moves required to fix a broken knuckle? No professional help please - and don't hurt yourselves laughing! That doesn't really help. One person by him/herself would find it difficult to change a knuckle... is that correct?
BaltACD Let's let the non-railroaders figure all the moves required to fix a broken knuckle? No professional help please - and don't hurt yourselves laughing!
Let's let the non-railroaders figure all the moves required to fix a broken knuckle?
No professional help please - and don't hurt yourselves laughing!
Map out the game plan - 1 man or 2.
Yes, you can change a knucle, I can show you, and just about anyone else, how to do so in under 60 seconds.
I can also run a business, did so for several years, two auto part franchise, railroading is more fun.
Was your question about the engineer vs conductor and engineer an actual question you wanted answered?
I was trying to get you to think through all the steps needed to accomplish the task, with only an engineer, and with both., and get the train moving again.
Changing the knuckle is not the issue. It only takes a few minutes if you halfway know what you are doing. It's not like you have to be touched by the Gods to be able to swap one out.
But with an engineer, you can change a knuckle pretty quick since you are able to bring the parts to you, and not have to walk them in. And not delaying that UPS train behind you a few hours will probably more than make up for your salary.
BaltACDUlrichBaltACD UlrichBaltACD Let's let the non-railroaders figure all the moves required to fix a broken knuckle? No professional help please - and don't hurt yourselves laughing! That doesn't really help. One person by him/herself would find it difficult to change a knuckle... is that correct? Map out the game plan - 1 man or 2. I can't change a knuckle. You can't run a business. Let's move on. Au Contraire any idiot can run a business (how well and how long are other matters). I can qualify as a idiot if you prefer. The reality is that trains, being mechanical things, will break - PERIOD. They don't fix themselves - PERIOD. They must be fixed - PERIOD. How long it takes to resume movement ends up affecting the bottom line and the fluidity of your property.
Au Contraire any idiot can run a business (how well and how long are other matters). I can qualify as a idiot if you prefer.
The reality is that trains, being mechanical things, will break - PERIOD.
They don't fix themselves - PERIOD.
They must be fixed - PERIOD.
How long it takes to resume movement ends up affecting the bottom line and the fluidity of your property.
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Probably some government weenie sitting behind a computer somewhere running a statistics program coming up with this idea.
Thinks Knuckles is a character in a Sonic the Hedgehog game.
schlimmzugmann UlrichWhoever wrote the article said it. They're still full of crap. And the piece doesn't specify who made that statement. I hope it wasn't some 'official' with the Office of Management and Budget. They probably know as much about railroading as my cat does. It is the underlying assumption of the agreement one of the rail unions is signing with BNSF. Maybe you should address them with your concerns and anger. It's not the non-railroaders who are saying and doing this.
zugmann UlrichWhoever wrote the article said it. They're still full of crap. And the piece doesn't specify who made that statement. I hope it wasn't some 'official' with the Office of Management and Budget. They probably know as much about railroading as my cat does.
UlrichWhoever wrote the article said it.
They're still full of crap.
And the piece doesn't specify who made that statement. I hope it wasn't some 'official' with the Office of Management and Budget. They probably know as much about railroading as my cat does.
It is the underlying assumption of the agreement one of the rail unions is signing with BNSF. Maybe you should address them with your concerns and anger. It's not the non-railroaders who are saying and doing this.
Euclid We have had many versions of this conversation before, and each time, it seems like the entire march of progress stops when it gets to those pesky knuckles.
We have had many versions of this conversation before, and each time, it seems like the entire march of progress stops when it gets to those pesky knuckles.
Just like the movement of a train stops when those pesky knuckles get broken.
BaltACDUlrichBaltACD Let's let the non-railroaders figure all the moves required to fix a broken knuckle? No professional help please - and don't hurt yourselves laughing! That doesn't really help. One person by him/herself would find it difficult to change a knuckle... is that correct? Map out the game plan - 1 man or 2.
BaltACD Map out the game plan - 1 man or 2.
I have a feeling this is going to get interesting.
Norm
Norm48327schlimm "No evidence has surfaced that a second person in the locomotive cab contributes to a more-safe operation, while evidence exists that the second person in the cab can cause a safety hazard." Think you'd want to fly in an airliner that has only one pilot? The first officer is there for a safety factor as well as to share the load. Engineer has a heart attack. No one in the cab to initiate emergency braking; what's gonna happen next?
schlimm "No evidence has surfaced that a second person in the locomotive cab contributes to a more-safe operation, while evidence exists that the second person in the cab can cause a safety hazard."
"No evidence has surfaced that a second person in the locomotive cab contributes to a more-safe operation, while evidence exists that the second person in the cab can cause a safety hazard."
Think you'd want to fly in an airliner that has only one pilot? The first officer is there for a safety factor as well as to share the load. Engineer has a heart attack. No one in the cab to initiate emergency braking; what's gonna happen next?
BaltACDLet's let the non-railroaders figure all the moves required to fix a broken knuckle? No professional help please - and don't hurt yourselves laughing!
The article said that. Take your issue up with the magazine of you believe that to be false..
Who said that? They are full of crap.
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