As I understand it, it would not make any difference if he "got the shot", there is a "rule" (probably not really written down) that says any shot where someone actually got hurt cannot be used in the final product. I remember some other movie where a car crashed into a lobby and hit a desk where a stunt man was sitting, he was supposed to just be pushed back by the desk when the car hit it, but the car hit too hard and he was severely injured. Later it was discovered that the scene had gotten into the released movie and the producer and director were "aghast" that it had not been "left on the cutting room floor like it should have been".
At this point, I hope the whole movie/video is canned and forgotten by the financiers.
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Semper Vaporo As I understand it, it would not make any difference if he "got the shot", there is a "rule" (probably not really written down) that says any shot where someone actually got hurt cannot be used in the final product. I remember some other movie where a car crashed into a lobby and hit a desk where a stunt man was sitting, he was supposed to just be pushed back by the desk when the car hit it, but the car hit too hard and he was severely injured. Later it was discovered that the scene had gotten into the released movie and the producer and director were "aghast" that it had not been "left on the cutting room floor like it should have been". At this point, I hope the whole movie/video is canned and forgotten by the financiers.
I suspect all film shot at the location will be shown - at the trial!
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Semp, not true. There are many many films where a shot that someone got killed were used in the final film. Two that come to mind, Flight of the Phoenix where pilot Paul Manz died when the plane he was flying for passing shots crashed on landing. Those flyby shots are still in the film. The other is the Vin Diesel "xXx" where a stuntman jumped off a bridge but the landing went wrong and he was killed, but the the actual stunt shot is still in the film.
As for "getting the shot" it can take hours to set up the props, set up the cameras, check the lighting levels, get people on the set start shooting, usually multiple takes, and then take everything apart and moved off the location. Thats why I really cannot fathom how anyone thought they could set up a full frame bed and mattress and shoot scenes on an active railroad bridge. They wouldn't do this on an active airport runway but thats basically what they did.
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Don't you see the fatal spin for the Sikorsky plane standing in for a German Gotha bomber in Hell's Angels that killed a person or two?
All these poor decisions remind me a bit of what happened to Vic Morrow on the set of the Twilight Zone movie. Being far too lax with safety leading to tragedy sadly isn't a new phenomenon for film making.
Can anyone explain why a movie about Greg Allman needs to have a scene with a bed set up on a railroad bridge?
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Murphy Siding Can anyone explain why a movie about Greg Allman needs to have a scene with a bed set up on a railroad bridge?
Leo_Ames Don't you see the fatal spin for the Sikorsky plane standing in for a German Gotha bomber in Hell's Angels that killed a person or two? All these poor decisions remind me a bit of what happened to Vic Morrow on the set of the Twilight Zone movie. Being far too lax with safety leading to tragedy sadly isn't a new phenomenon for film making.
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mudchicken Murphy Siding Can anyone explain why a movie about Greg Allman needs to have a scene with a bed set up on a railroad bridge? Drugs
It was intended to be for a dream sequence in the movie.
On Friday evening 3/7/2014 the parents of the lady killed attended a memorial march in Los Angeles CA. Many people in the industry attended and it made the TV news in L.A.
ACYI have a feeling (unsubstantiated) that the engine crew's view of the bridge was obscured by the curve, the trees, and possibly by some pulp cars right up until they got through the curve and could see into the "tunnel" of that truss bridge. The trees etc. also might have damped the effect of the air horn. I suspect (again, unsubstantiated) that the engineer had no inkling of a problem until he was less than 1/4 mile from impact. One report said the train was traveling 58 mph.
At 58 mph, neither advance visibility nor a louder horn would have changed the outcome much...they were still on a bridge with a bed that they were trying to drag off the tracks!
Mookie Let the parties argue a little. So far, they have kept it civil. If you stop all disagreements, you won't have anything left except the Chatterbox and the Lounge. Think about it. Weather, chocolate cake and a little train watching. My $$$ is on the film crew found someone walking their dog and asked them if it was ok to film on the tracks. He told them "sure, go ahead". See how simple this is?
Let the parties argue a little. So far, they have kept it civil. If you stop all disagreements, you won't have anything left except the Chatterbox and the Lounge. Think about it. Weather, chocolate cake and a little train watching.
My $$$ is on the film crew found someone walking their dog and asked them if it was ok to film on the tracks. He told them "sure, go ahead". See how simple this is?
That said, at least as far as I've read down the posts on this thread, I don't see any reason for the moderators to get involved. I haven't seen any real nastiness or political posturing (maybe I haven't read far enough down the posts). Speculation on a website like this is pretty harmless.
Here is another item related to this tragedy:
http://www.thestate.com/2014/05/13/3443724/allman-drops-ga-lawsuit-against.html
railfanjohn Here is another item related to this tragedy: http://www.thestate.com/2014/05/13/3443724/allman-drops-ga-lawsuit-against.html
Somehow I dont think the film company is going to have the same such luck with the other lawsuits, especially the family of the girl who died.
Production company for "Midnight Rider" film cited by OSHAfor willful and serious safety violations following worker fatality and injuries
https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=NEWS_RELEASES&p_id=26541
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"Their failure to develop a safety plan to prevent such hazards, including obtaining permission from the rail owner to use the tracks for filming, led to the death of one crew member and injuries to eight other employees," said Kurt Petermeyer, OSHA's Regional Administrator for the Southeast.
At the time of the incident, the company employed 20 workers on the set and approximately 74 workers nationwide. Proposed penalties total $74,900.
That seems to be absolving the railroad of liability in this matter.
From an item in Variety, I understand that the production company is suing their insurer because the insurer has decided not to pay certain claims arising out of the cessation of production. It'll be interesting to see whether these charges are used as a a part of the insurer's defense.
Also, Variety has said director Randall Miller has received medical attention for post traumatic stress disorder. It'll be interesting to see whether this is relevant to his defense in the criminal and/or civil trials.
Tom
Hopefully this accident and death of a young women will have a good end. Even if this accident only saves a couple of lives in the future. Let us all pray that this story will teach people that train tracks are dangerous and you should never be on tracks without permission from the RR. Not to mention don't be on a RR bridge. Hopefully this accident will save many lives in the future.
There have already been other incidents of people trespassing on railroad bridges and almost being hit by a train. You just can't fix stupid.
I can't believe that after such a long absence from this fine forum my first post is on this thread....but....
I have lived half my life in southern California and have many experiences encountering film crews. In "my experience" most of these people are self centered, self rightious idiots that believe what they do is so important because it's "for tv, movies, ect" that they have the right to do whatever they please. I say nail them to the wall !!!! You're entertainment venue is not more important then life.
SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) -- In some versions of a story Aug. 14 about a movie production company being cited for workplace safety violations related to a fatal train crash in Georgia, The Associated Press erroneously reported the first name of the singer who is the subject of the film. His name is Gregg Allman, not Greg.
A corrected version of the story is below:
OSHA cites Allman film company in Ga. train crash
OSHA proposes $74,900 fine for safety violations by Allman film company in Ga. train crash
By RUSS BYNUM
Associated Press
SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) - A production company formed to make a biographical film about singer Gregg Allman was cited by federal regulators Thursday for workplace safety violations stemming from a train crash in rural Georgia that killed a camera assistant and injured six others.
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration proposed $74,900 in fines against Film Allman LLC, a company incorporated in 2013 to make the movie "Midnight Rider." The company was cited for two safety violations saying it willfully put workers in danger of being struck by a live train and put them at risk of falling off a railroad bridge where they were shooting a scene.
Filming had just begun on "Midnight Rider" when a freight train plowed into the crew Feb. 20 on a railroad trestle spanning the Altamaha River in rural Wayne County southwest of Savannah. The collision killed 27-year-old Sarah Jones. Investigators say fellow crew members were injured either by the train itself or flying shrapnel from a bed that had been placed across the tracks as a movie prop.
"It is unacceptable that Film Allman LLC knowingly exposed their crew to moving trains while filming on a live track and railroad trestle," David Michaels, the assistant labor secretary who heads OSHA, said in a statement.
The citations don't name any individual officers associated with Film Allman LLC. The company's incorporation papers list the same Pasadena, California, address as Unclaimed Freight Productions, which is owned by "Midnight Rider" director Randall Miller and his wife, Jody Savin. Their attorney, Don Samuel, declined to comment.
Film Allman has 15 business days to contest OSHA's findings and proposed penalty.
On July 3, a grand jury indicted Miller, Savin and executive producer Jay Sedrish on charges of involuntary manslaughter and criminal trespassing in connection with the crash. Sheriff's investigators say the filmmakers took their crew onto the railroad bridge despite being denied permission to film there by CSX railroad. All three defendants have pleaded not guilty.
In a statement released through their attorney July 17, Miller and Savin said the crash and Jones' death "will haunt us forever" but they insisted they had committed no crimes.
"We would never knowingly or intentionally put anybody's safety at risk," Miller and Savin's statement said. "This was a horrible tragedy and a horrific accident."
Production on "Midnight Rider" was halted after the crash. Allman filed a civil lawsuit against Miller and Savin seeking to prevent them from restarting the project. They settled out of court without disclosing terms.
Film Allman? Oh I can just see the lawsuits against Gregg now...
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ruderunner Film Allman? Oh I can just see the lawsuits against Gregg now...
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Chad: I’ll second your opinion about film crews. I’ve been a technical advisor for a couple of field units and the Hollywood types are insufferable. And scary. A more ignorant bunch I’ve never seen or met. He two things they are apt to ignore in the name of telling a story are safety and accuracy...could give examples but won’t.- too upsetting to document at this late date. I’ll never get involved again.
cacole There have already been other incidents of people trespassing on railroad bridges and almost being hit by a train. You just can't fix stupid.
You can't fix stupid, but stupid sometimes fixes itself. Unfortunately in this accident that didn't happen, and an innocent women died because of the bosses stupidity. Why couldn't the idiot who decided to film on the live tracks have died. Somehow, stupid people have good luck and survive
KyleWhy couldn't the idiot who decided to film on the live tracks have died.
Really? Had to go there?
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tree68 KyleWhy couldn't the idiot who decided to film on the live tracks have died. Really? Had to go there?
It would have been better than having a poor innocent young women die. Plus it would save the government money by not having to have a trial to convict the producer.
Kyle, for what it's worth I feel your wishing death on anyone is in poor taste.
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gardendance Kyle, for what it's worth I feel your wishing death on anyone is in poor taste.
I am not wishing death on anyone. I am simply stating that if someone has to die, it should be the one who is responsible, instead of an innocent person.
http://www.ldnews.com/ci_26459408/csx-film-crew-denied-track-access-before-crash
"Railroad company CSX Transportation says it twice denied producers of a movie about singer Gregg Allman the permission to shoot on the company's tracks before a freight train slammed into the film's crew in south Georgia, killing one worker and injuring six."
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