MNRR has its buckets full and hands tied...major work has to be done between Sloatsburg and Harriman and there are problems west of Harriman, too, at least at Otisville which is expected to fixed by Friday. Equipment stranded in Port Jervis has to be serviced in NJ and it just might sometime this weekend or early next week.
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Amtrak Trains today are taking about 2 hr delays between PVD - NEW hAVEN
MEDIA REPORT about Trentoon station.
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20110830_Amtrak_may_resume_trains_to_NY_on_Wednesday.html
BCopied from Amtrak web site.
August 30, 20111:00 p.m. EDT
Amtrak continues to restore service along the East Coast. Some Amtrak Northeast Regional service between New Haven, Conn., and Springfield, Mass., and some Empire Service between Albany/Rensselaer and New York will resume after 4 p.m., today, Tuesday, Aug. 30.
Amtrak service between New York City and Boston is operating, including all Acela Express trains and most Northeast Regional service. Most Northeast Regional service is operating south of Philadelphia, but no Acela Express, Northeast Regional or other Amtrak trains can operate north of Philadelphia to New York due to flood damage near Trenton, N.J.
Engineering forces continue to work to restore service between Philadelphia and New York. The flood waters near Trenton, N.J, have receded and the track and signal repairs are underway to resume safe operation. Additional update will be provided this evening regarding service for Wednesday, Aug. 31.
The Auto Train operating between Sanford, Fla., and Lorton, Va., will resume on Wednesday, Aug. 31.
Amtrak will continue to provide updates via Amtrak.com, the Customer Contact Centers, Facebook, Twitter and the news media.
Just read both NJT and MNRR websites...NJT says nothing but MNRR had in depth report of helicopter surveilance. Also says riders can use tickets on Beacon Ferry to Hudson Line, use bus from Harriman to NJT's Ramsey-RT17 station in NJ. Not clear what is being done for riders west of Harriman, however, if bus service is working or if trains are coming down from PJ.(I tend to doubt it). Suggestion not being made for PJ or even Middletown area riders is to go to Hackettstown, Mt. Arlington, or Dover and Denville for service. Need more thought and communication between agencies here.
WOW! That's intresting. I wonder if 1) since they have plans for installing a new signal system it they'll do it now and 2) if there is any possibility of using NYSW...which has got its own Irene problems...to pick up the slack of taking trains to Campbell Hall from Hawthorn. NJT has talked about service to Sparta, NJ (Rt23 Corridor) in the past and such talk has emerged again, this might me a cheap trial time through NJ...no 70, not even 50 mph running, but...
MNRR just announced that the Port Jervis line from Suffern - Port Jervis will probably be out of service for months. Listed at least 3 sections of wash out of 1000 ft each and many signals under water.
SEPTA announced Trenton line will operate but only to Levittown.
Website check shows LIRR still not running Babylon to Montauk, the Long Beach and Oyster Bay branches. MNRR open to NH but not CT branches, Harlem to Southeast but bus to Wassaic, Hudson Line open Both roads have delays and cancellations. NJT not operating Suffern to Port Jervis, Montclair U to Denville, and New Brunswick to Trenton. Other serivces operating with delays and cancellataions.
NJT's M&E has to go to Summit and Montclair U. for higher ground yards...Summit, Gladstone, Dover and Port Morris (diesel only unless dragged) with sidings and passing sidings on the P&D plus unwired sidings and the Rockaway Wye at Denville but I presume, has to keep some clear for Morristown and Erie Morristown to Denville and NS Hackettstown east on the Boonton LIne. Don't know what was used and for what this weekend. Over on the former Erie Lines, they were water level routes so to speak and thus prone to all kinds of water fouls....The Ramapoo River from Suffern to Harriman being the major flood area yet today I understand. In addition to the water, the tree and other over growth over the years, while sound mufflers to the neighbors, have become problems from overhanging vegetation and fallen trees on the tracks from mildest of winds and erosion. Haven't checked the websites yet this morniing....
In reference to your note about equipment out of position. Amtrak is short of equipment PHL - WASH so is using Acela equipment on some regional trains WASH - PHL. Train 188 for example. It all comes down to the flooding problem at Trenton station messing NJ TRANSIT, SEPTA AND AMTRAK up.
The Vermont RR System is taking a Standing 8 Count. Every line has significant damage. The Bridge at White River Junction will require major repairs. Bartonville Covered Bridge has been washed down stream. Whitehall to Rutland has a one mile stretch still under water and numerous washouts. Photographs of much of the damage by Kevin Burkholder is available on the Trainorders Eastern Board.
henry6Someplace I saw that SEPTA had equipment at Trenton that will need diesel tows
See here: http://photos.nj.com/the-times/2011/08/photos_mercer_county_flooding_28.html
And here: http://photos.nj.com/the-times/2011/08/photos_mercer_county_flooding_25.html
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Someplace I saw that SEPTA had equipment at Trenton that will need diesel tows...then NJT and AMtrak can assess what can be done...NJT's stuff is stored at Morrisville, PA, across the Delaware from Trenton. MNRR has not announced plans to operate above Croton on Hudson as yet, nor above White Plains on the HArlem and nothing in Conneticut (but that may change with Acela service NYP to BOston being reinstated). NJT's MNRR track from Suffern to Harriman along the Ramapoo River is still under water according the NJ.COM, so no Port Jervis service is anticipated for at least tomorrow.
henry6While I wonder if NJT closed down too early on Saturday
IMHO, I don't think they shut down rail service too early at all. They spent all of Saturday afternoon and evening reshuffling equipment so as to keep it out of flood areas and avoid getting it trapped after the storm.
All sets stored in Bay Head Yard were stored on the main tracks near Woodbridge.Sets in Suffern were moved to Waldwick.Sets in Raritan were moved to the MMC.Sets in Hoboken were moved to Waldwick and Summit. That, on its own is a lot of equipment. Being that service was cut mid-day, there was a lot of stuff in Hoboken's various yard that had to be deadheaded back to their terminating yards, and anything that usually overnighted in Hoboken had to be deadheaded from wherever it was to either Waldwick or Summit.
That's fifteen yards' worth of equipment that had to be stuffed into twelve yards, assuming that I counted correctly. Granted, Summit is always empty, so it's not like they're taking a full yard and further stuffing it, but it's not very big either, so it fills up quickly.
There may even be more that I don't know about.
And, AFAIK, most equipment is positioned where it is ready for service tomorrow. The only equipment that is stranded out of the service areas is Morrisville. However, that is so much equipment, that there probably isn't room in all of the other yards to fit it all. The only yards that could possibly hold the electric equipment are Dover, the MMC, Hoboken, Long Branch, and County. Hoboken was emptied, and the rest are at capacity on a normal night! Additionally, with no service west of New Brunswick tomorrow, there may not even be a need for this equipment.
August 29, 20116:30 p.m. EDT
Amtrak service between New York City and Boston is planned to operate on Tuesday, Aug. 30, including all Acela Express trains and most Northeast Regional service. Also in New England, Amtrak Downeaster service will operate normally between Boston and Portland, Maine, in the aftermath of Hurricane/Tropical Storm Irene.
Most Northeast Regional service will operate south of Philadelphia, but no Acela Express, Northeast Regional or other Amtrak trains can operate north of Philadelphia to New York.
As of early this Monday evening, about a half-mile of Amtrak right-of-way remained submerged near Trenton, N.J. As the water levels recede, Amtrak engineering forces will make repairs to the track and signal control infrastructure. Updates will continue to be provided and an estimate for restoration of full service south of New York is not yet available.
Therefore, full Amtrak Keystone Service and will operate only between Philadelphia and Harrisburg, Penn. on Tuesday, Aug. 30, while the Pennsylvanian (Trains 42 & 43) will operate only between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia on that date.
Other service changes on Tuesday, Aug. 30, include:
Other cancelations on Tuesday, Aug. 30, include:
NJ TRANSIT notice: No service to Trenton due to flooding
http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servlet.srv?hdnPageAction=PressReleaseTo&PRESS_RELEASE_ID=2704
present MTA service advisory
Metro-North expects to resume regular weekday service on the Hudson Line, New Haven Line Main Line, and Lower Harlem Line tomorrow. Service suspensions will remain in effect on the Upper Harlem Line and New Haven Line Branches. Subway, bus and Staten Island Railway service is now running normally across the system with limited exceptions. Access-a-Ride and Able-Ride have resumed normal service. The LIRR currently has full service restored on the Port Washington, Babylon, Ronkonkoma, Hempstead, West Hempstead and Far Rockaway branches, as well as west of Hicksville on the Huntington Branch, with some delays.
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You know, your right. Just that Amtrak is about all you see on the East side of the Hudson while CSX is moving freight over on the West Shore.
henry6 Note: Poughkeepsie to Albany is Amtrak. But water still over much of NEC and signal and undermining of roadbed still being diagnosed; In all my 68 years I have never seen such widespread damage and operating problems in the Northeast like this.
Note: Poughkeepsie to Albany is Amtrak. But water still over much of NEC and signal and undermining of roadbed still being diagnosed; In all my 68 years I have never seen such widespread damage and operating problems in the Northeast like this.
Henry6: According to the Amtrak national schedule page 61 the host RR Poughkeepsie - Schenectady is CSX. Is that a mis print?? I thought Albany - Schenectady was Amtrak????
Note: Poughkeepsie to Albany is Amtrak. But water still over much of NEC and signal and undermining of roadbed still being diagnosed; NJ, NY and NE rivers still over banks causing flooding and damming at bridges, etc. MNRR just opening Harlem to N.White Plains and Hudson to Croton Harmon. NJT running Atlantic City services only. LIRR from Brooklyn and Penn Sta. to Great Neck, Hempstead, Huntington, Ronkonkoma, Babylon, Far Rockaway, West Hempstead only. No service east of Babylon, Ronkonkoma and Huntington, no service on Oyster Bay branch as yet. Reports along the Ct. River valley is that there is a lot of highwater on the river and its tributaries. Problems are that nothing can become conclusive until entire lines are above water and can be inspected. Lakes and reservoirs are more full than ever, some have been opened more than usual and so water is higher down streams; others are holding back while people hold their breath. The wind and rain damage was less than predicted while the risidual waters from upstreams has been underestimated. Now they are being estimated in spades.
In all my 68 years I have never seen such widespread damage and operating problems in the Northeast like this. While I wonder if NJT closed down too early on Saturday (MNRR, LIRR, and SEPTA operated as late as midnight) I can certainly understand why it is taking so long to assess and repair the far reaching rights of way.
August 29, 201110:45 a.m. EDT
Amtrak Keystone Service will resume on Monday, Aug. 29 with Train 647 (3:45 p.m. departure from Philadelphia) and Train 652 (3:20 departure from Harrisburg). In addition, Northeast Regional Train 95 (noon departure from Philadelphia) and Train 83 (3:30 p.m. departure from Philadelphia) will operate from Philadelphia to Richmond.
Amtrak crews continue to inspect and make repairs to the infrastructure along the Northeast Corridor.
Additional operation information for Monday, Aug. 29:
Trains with origination dates of Monday, Aug. 29 that will operate:
Trains with the origination date of Monday, Aug. 29 that are canceled:
Now to ask about the possible flood and mud slide damage in relationship to Amtrak?
1. Saw pictures of Trenton station under water up to top of canopy at south end.
2. MNRR ALONG THE Hudson to Poughkeepsie? .
3. The CSX line from Poughkeepsie to Albany. I would think since this is a secondary freight line that CSX may tend to delay repairs until other more important freight lines are back in service. The signal system on that portion is having the code line replaced with some form of no code line. It would appear that CSX would not want to repair that but instead go to the replacement. That may mean several months of operating segments under suspension of signals [ 59 MPH ].
3. Albany - Montreal. Anyone have any reference pictures of past floods along this line?
4. Whitehall -- Rutland?
5. Vermonter route -- Listening and viewing the flooding in Vermont one has to wonder if that route can be repaired before next year? Again any past pictures?
MARC did operate Penn line this morning on an "S" schedule and plans to this afternoon. Amtrak is still recovering the line from PHL - WASH. Do not know if AMTRAK AND MARC are using diesels on that portion??
AMTRAK ran several regional tranins PHL - WASH rt but had many delays as well as MARC. SEPTA STILL NOT OPERATING ON NEC.
nj transit operating no trains except light rail.
LIRR operating all lines west of Hicksville except beach lines.
MNRR OPERATING A Sunday schedule this afternoon on lower Harlem and lower Hudson lines only.
SLE operating a weekend schedule from NH starting at 4:02 PM.
MBTA OPERATING WITH delays of debri and equipment failures. [ probably sea water in some equipment? ]
Well, the Adirondack Scenic ran as scheduled on Sunday, except for the morning trip, which was cancelled for lack of patrons (many folks had cleared out after some campgrounds closed, and the daytrippers pretty much stayed home).
Since we sometimes have trouble with trees on the tracks when there isn't any weather, we were on the lookout, but had no issues. It was clear that the river that runs along the side of the tracks for most of our local route was rising rapidly, however.
In monitoring the local fire departments there, they had no more issues than what would come up with any summer thunderstorm.
But it did rain constantly all day.
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MARC Penn Line (on the NEC) is still suspended this Monday morning.
SEPTA - some service on former RDG lines. No service on most AMTRAK lines.
Per the MTA [NY] Web site some LIRR SERVICE no MNRR service due to many problems ..
In the aftermath of Hurricane Irene, the MTA will provide limited service on Monday, August 29. The MTA's regular fare and toll policy will resume on Monday at 5:00 a.m.
With limited exceptions, service will resume across the subway system at 6:00 a.m. Monday morning. Service will be less frequent than normal, and customers should expect longer waits and more crowded trains. Frequency of service will improve over the course of the day.
The Staten Island Railway will resume normal service at midnight tonight.
Limited bus service was restored in all five boroughs of New York City earlier this evening. Service levels will continue to increase but may not reach normal levels tomorrow.
The Long Island Rail Road is restoring near-normal service for Monday morning's rush hour on six of its branches, but customers are advised to expect some cancelations and some trains operating with fewer than normal complement of cars. The AM rush service is being restored to and from:
Service remains suspended to and from:
Metro-North Railroad cannot operate regular service on any of its three lines, on Monday, August 29. There is still significant damage to many portions of the Metro-North system. Local streams and the Bronx River continue to overflow their banks and high winds continue to fell trees across the tracks.
All MTA Bridges and Tunnels are open
MTA paratransit services are expected to be operating normal service beginning at noon on Monday.
August 28,20117:45 p.m. EDT
Amtrak will operate most Northeast Regional trains between Philadelphia and Washington starting on Monday, Aug. 29. All Amtrak service between Boston and Philadelphia is canceled due to the extensive flooding, debris on tracks, and power issues as a result of Hurricane Irene. In addition, all Acela Express service between Boston and Washington is canceled.
As of 7 p.m., the following trains with origination dates of Monday, Aug. 29 will operate:
As of 7 p.m., the following cancellations have been made for origination dates of Monday, Aug. 29:
From news reports as well as websites, it appears trees rather than water will cause the continued suspension of rail services for MNRR, LIRR, and NJT. There are some reports that stations were flooded out, trees remain across the tracks, and catenary is down or fouled by trees (MNRR report along with mud slide near Spuyten Devil). PATH says it will start up at 4AM Monday. NJT light rail and bus service will resume under restricted conditions. Some NYC bus routes have resumed with very, very limited services. From what I gather at the websites the assessing of damages and needs did not start until late Sunday and has apparently found more than anticipated. Gonna havta waitandsee.
Update as of 2030:
1. Amtrak seems to have cancelled Crescent both ways all the way to NOL
3. MARC expects Camden and Brunswick lines to operate with delays.
5. NJ TRANSIT -- Atlantic city line will operate. Light Rail on weekend schedules with some trees on tracks.
6. LIRR Trees on all lines
7. MNRR -- Sounds as if all lines subject to mud slides. mentions that many trees are hung up in CAT. Wonder if the constant tension CAT is holding the trees up??
9. MBTA -- expecting to operate except Green line riverside line has major tree and overhead wire problems.
As OF 1930 [7:30 PM here is a snap shot
1. Amtrak has made no decisions on NEC however Auto train, Palmetto, Meteor, Carolinian from NYP - Raleigh cancelled with Silver star only operating JAX - MIA. Buses BOS - Portland, Me. All Piedmont service operating.
2. VRE full schedule but with a warning that NS should operate normally but CSX LINE to Fredricksburg may have major problems.
3. marc does not know if PENN LINE WILL OPERATE due to trees and major CAT PROBLEMS hopes to know by 10 PM tonight.
4. SEPTA -- NO INFORMATION YET
5. NJ TRANSIT -- No information yet
6. LIRR - Still waiting to find out what lines will be open.
7. MNRR -- Still waiting and a majr mudslide at Spuyten Duyvill blocking both MNRR and amtrak.
8. SHORE LIINE EAST -- Expecting to operate Monday afternoon.
9. MBTA - Still evaluating
Thank goodness it appears that Irene lost much of its wind strength due to the cold front moving in. Thank goodness. Now the clean up and power restoration needs to be complete. Reports from you NEC people are needed.
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