Hi - The below link from Google Maps should open in a direct overhead shot of the facility. Off the top of my head I believe its lineage to be; B&M - Rutland - Central Vermont. If you aleready have this and it's a duplicate ... Mea Culpa.
Regards, Bob
https://www.google.com/maps/place/North+Walpole,+Walpole,+NH+03609/@43.1350057,-72.4390107,102m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e1a48a600e3c25:0x443c04678f099750!8m2!3d43.1390125!4d-72.447601
Yeah, got that one, but you did add a second one in Brattleboro. Thanks.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Have at least 2 additions (possibly 3).
All are former Wabash and photos of the first 2 show at www.wabashrhs.org/p/historical-photos_24.html
Bluffs, Il 39.4506N -90.3225W located north side of west end of yard near where branch goes towards Meredosia. Couldn't find filled pit but the rubble leading to trees was the RH.
Stansberry, Mo Could not find evidence of where the RH and TT were located. RR has been gone for some time. Old Moberly Division "High Line" from Kelly to Council Bluffs.
Springfield, Il - 39.71053N -89.642964W TT and RH were located where Springfield Mass Transit District has their service facilities. They mwere still using several stalls of the old RH in the 70's.
@ J Daniel...
Nice photos on the Wabash site.
Bluffs, IL. I think I see the spot you mean, but your coordinates are 22 miles southeast of Bluffs. ???
Stanberry, MO. I see where a RR yard might have been, South of Railroad St and West of Alanthus Ave., but not near enough evidence in the photo or on the ground to pick a spot to enter in the database.
Springfield, IL. Your coordinates put me just outside of an interchange of I-55 and Toronto Rd, south of Springfield. I do have a Roundhouse marked at:
39°47'29.11"N, 89°38'35.26"W
and that is marked as the Mass Transit facility (G.E. image from 4/13/1998 shows the RH).
Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable. I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township. Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock. IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN.
JustWonderin'Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable. I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township. Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock. IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN.
Good info! Thanks. Corrections made. The online files will be updates "soon" (but don't go holdin' yer breath!).
Semper Vaporo JustWonderin' Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable. I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township. Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock. IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN. Good info! Thanks. Corrections made. The online files will be updates "soon" (but don't go holdin' yer breath!).
JustWonderin' Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable. I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township. Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock. IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN.
Confirming location. I checked out the boundaries of the cities involved. That yard is so big that it actually has parts in Flat Rock, Woodhaven and Brownstown Township, Michigan. The turntable and main service shops are all within Flat Rock. Woodhaven and Brownstown just have track.
I have uploaded new files.
Unfortunately, the KMZ files will still not download from my webserver, so I have left those links out of this posting. You will get the files in the ZIP file.
I have compressed all 5 files into one ZIP file so MAYBE everybody can download them all in one swell foop.
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/RR%20Roundhouses.zip
That should get you all 5 files at once for you to Un-ZIP. There are 2 KMZ files to inport to your copy of Google Earth, 2 PDF files to print the two lists (U.S. & Non-U.S.) now 20 pages each! And one Excel spreadsheet (includes both the U.S. and Non-U.S. sites).
Here are links to the 3 individual files that will download:
Excel file of all the data: (Note: it is now saved as an "XLSX" file instead of a "XLS"... if this causes a problem for anyone, let me know and I will see if I can resave it in the older "XLS" format).
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xlsx
PDF of the Non-U.S. locations:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
PDF of the U.S. locations:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
In Washington, DC there use to be double turntables west of the present one listed. You can see them in Historic Aerials. In 1963 both were still there; In 1980 just one still was there and you could see the other's fan; In 2002 both of the old TTs were gone, an the present TT was installed to the east. The point where the two old TTs almost touched was 38° 55' 01.35" N 76° 59' 08.04" W
https://www.historicaerials.com/viewer
Sometimes strange circumstances as to how I find these things...
Watching Iowa Public TV, "As Time Goes By" (British Comedy) and one of the characters mentioned getting a post card from 2 other characters that had traveled to someplace in Mongolia that was named Ooland Batar (as best as I could figure they said)... I wondered if such a place exists so I looked on Google Earth... found Ulaanbaatar is how it should be spelled and "BINGO"... looky der!
A turntable at: 47°54'27.15"N, 106°54'41.81"E
Followed the tracks South for quite a ways and there is another one, but this time
in Ulanqab, China at: 41° 2'40.86"N, 113° 5'16.77"E
I'll update the on-line files soon... maybe... when I get a round tuit.
NY Kingston 41.9526N 73.9920W TT & RH Removed Ex-NYC
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=41.9526&lon=-73.99200&z=16
There was also a U&D TT & RH at Rondout (SE of Kingston) in the area where the NY Trolley Museum is located but unsure of exact location.
Unfortunately, the KMZ files will still not download from my webserver, so I have left those links out of this posting. You will get those files in the ZIP file if you want them.
That should get you all 5 files at once for you to Un-ZIP. There are 2 KMZ files to inport to your copy of Google Earth, 2 PDF files to print the two lists (U.S. & Non-U.S.). And one Excel spreadsheet (includes both the U.S. and Non-U.S. sites).
Come and get'em if'n ya wants 'em. I suspect they may not exist at these locations in the not too distant future.
I also may not be updating them anymore. I want to thank all the individuals that have contributed to these lists (both publicly here and privately in several different backchannels).
If anyone wants to take over the maintanence of these files, please post here what you are doing so others can keep their lists up-to-date with your efforts.
Again, thank you all for your participation in this endeavour. :-)
I noticed on the lateat PDF of the US that there is now a column for source, however, I can no longer see notes about TT or RH
Thanks for the heads up... I screwed that up... but now the hosting site is all screwed up, too... I see 3 identical copies of all the files... same names, same size, same date, same time... I didn't think that could happen! I have new files to put there, but I have no idea which file you might get if you download them...
I'll work on this and see what I can do... get back to everybody later.
Had to log-off my PC and reboot before the old files would dissappear from my system. Stypud cornphewtors enywho!
I think it is fixed now. The original links should get you the correct files.
Thanks, old links work, and TT & Bldg show up. Thanks again for hosting this comperhensive thread.
Incredible job and a lot of dedication...it has been downloaded and saved for good.
Have no words to express the thanks....you did a great job.
Sounds like I may have gotten in on this discussion on the tail end but I think the C&NW roundhouse in Sheboygan, Wi. should be added.
On Google maps, if you find the UP facility at the intersection of Union Avenue and Sauk Trail Road, the round house was just south west of the small building in the area where it looks likesome signaling equipment laying on the ground.
jbeinc1 Sounds like I may have gotten in on this discussion on the tail end but I think the C&NW roundhouse in Sheboygan, Wi. should be added. On Google maps, if you find the UP facility at the intersection of Union Avenue and Sauk Trail Road, the round house was just south west of the small building in the area where it looks likesome signaling equipment laying on the ground.
Would the turntable have been south of Union Ave in line with the end of 21st street? There seems (wishful thinking?) to be a bit of a circle there in some views and in Street View that area is depressed and muddy (like a filled in pit that has settled).
I'm not exactly sure of the location, just remember seeing the roundhouse and turntable there, as a kid. Not sure of when it was removed, possibly 30 to 40 years ago. My father worked for Joseph Schmitt & Sons Construction (directly north across the street). Their building was built around 1966-68 and I think the roundhouse was still there then.
Do you happen to remember the size of the building... like about how many stalls or was it a full round building, or just 1/2, or maybe 1/4 round, or maybe just 2 or 3 stalls? Also, was the building between the turntable and the street or the otherway around (i.e.: was the turntable visible from Union Avenue where your dad worked)?
It shows up on recent topo maps. 43.7312N 87.7332W
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=43.7313&lon=-87.73296&z=16
Remember this thread?
For some time I have been seeing a building south of Ponchatoula, La. that looks like it couldn't be anything but a roundhouse, but it just looks too small. Nobody in the area seems to know anything about it. The central area has been roofed over and walled in and it currently houses several small businesses.
This is what the central part looks like now:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulofcov/41128360154/in/dateposted-public/
30° 25' 30.5" N 90° 26' 16.3" W --- or go to 2000 SW Railroad Ave, Ponchatoula, La.
After researching the Louisiana Cypress Lumber Company, I think it may have been used to service the locomotives used in their operations. One picture on this site shows the consolidation (now on display in downtown Ponchatoula) next to a roundhouse which may be this one.
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"A stranger's just a friend you ain't met yet." --- Dave Gardner
Measuring the building using Google Earth, I get a length of the stalls of less than 30-ft. And the doors less than 9-ft. wide. If the referenced web site didn't say that the lumber company was Standard Gauge, and the photos were of tank engines (no tenders) then I'd say it was a narrow gauge roundhouse. But there is no way to fit those engines into what would constitute stalls if that were a roundhouse. I suppose it might be that if they started out as a small narrow gauge RR with plantation type engines, then that might be a roundhouse. But as it is, I seriously doubt it. I'd love to be proven wrong! ;-)
FWIW: If the lists ever come to life again (and I cannot read the last version anymore)
Gowrie IA CNW 60ft TT (shared with FtDDM&S, labelled M&D on CNW map)
N 42 16' 40.5"" W 94 17' 41.2" now hiding in the trees. (South of Riddle & Lincoln, west side of Riddle)
Thanks... I am still adding to my spreadsheet, but I no longer have on-line storage that anybody can get to. The links I have published in the past are useless now. Sorry.
Presently, there are 1238 Non-U.S.A. sites and 1126 U.S. sites, (including what MudChicken just listed).
However, if anyone wants a copy of the latest Excel file, I can send it to you via an e-mail, if you tell me the e-mail address to use. Send me a "Message" via this forum. Click on my name/icon to the left here, and on the page that appears, near the top on the right is a link labeled "Start conversation". Click it to get a window where you can type a message and send me the e-mail address you want me to use.
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I went looking on Google Earth again at the site Paul of Covington listed (above) and using Street View I see a sign out front for "Electric Train Depot". The half-roundhouse building appears to be all boarded up. The building to the southwest has a sign on the end for "Electric Train Depot". On the south side of that long rectangular building is another sign of the same name and a sign for "Illinois Central". It appears that it is an electric train hobby shop or maybe belonging to a club with some sort of model train setup inside. Still not sure if that site should be added to my list.
Semper, I have been meaning to get back to that area, and maybe ask around some more, but haven't got around to it yet. The "Electric Train Depot" is a hobby shop carrying a lot of "G" and some "O" gauge equipment, but it seems to be pretty much a club as well. They are only open on Saturdays. I did ask them if they knew anything about the building in question, but they didn't.
I have thought all along that the building is too small to be a roundhouse, but I can't imagine what else it could have been built for. And there is a spur off the IC main that runs nearby.
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