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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Saturday, July 30, 2016 6:53 PM

Norm48327

External hard drives are not expensive, and when your c drive takes a dump you don't lose them.

Sure, but external drives can die just as a built-in one... besides, I have a laptop PC and the whole idea there is to have everything built-in to one compact unit and no "extra" (and attendant power and cabling) to have to drag along with it.

Best is to have all files stored in at least 2 places and the automatic Back-up built-in to Windows 10 was SUPPOSED to do it for me on a periodic basis (I would plug in the external drive whenever I was at home and it would run for a while to make the copies)... unfortunately, it didn't backup ALL variable files, just some of them... I'm MAD! Angry

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Posted by NorthWest on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:34 AM

I have quite a lot of time wrapped up in my .kml files on Google Earth, and save them to the 'My Documents' folder often to help avoid loss. I'm sure that you probably use the same method I do to allow you to upload them to your website, but if desired I can tell you how I save my files.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Friday, August 5, 2016 10:17 PM

Petoskey, MI, turntable (removed) CSX

45.3760832 -84.962858

Unfortunatly the site is now covered in condos.  The turntable itself still exists; it was moved to Greenfield Village and shows on the list for Dearborn, MI

I visited the site in the 1970s when the turntable was still in its original position.  The location was documented in a topo map:

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=45.3767&lon=-84.96331&z=16

 

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Posted by MossRoad on Saturday, August 6, 2016 9:28 PM

Semper Vaporo

 

 
Norm48327

External hard drives are not expensive, and when your c drive takes a dump you don't lose them.

 

Sure, but external drives can die just as a built-in one... besides, I have a laptop PC and the whole idea there is to have everything built-in to one compact unit and no "extra" (and attendant power and cabling) to have to drag along with it.

Best is to have all files stored in at least 2 places and the automatic Back-up built-in to Windows 10 was SUPPOSED to do it for me on a periodic basis (I would plug in the external drive whenever I was at home and it would run for a while to make the copies)... unfortunately, it didn't backup ALL variable files, just some of them... I'm MAD! Angry

 

I feel for you. I was in I.T. for 25+ years. I quit and became a maintenance mechanic! Anyhow, yes, you should always have your files in two physical places. The hard drive on your computer, and an external drive that you back up regularly to. Cloud offers a 3rd cheap alternative. And a couple time a year, I back up my external drive to another external drive and keep that off-site (not in my house) for extra protection. Just be aware that you can redundancy yourself into the poorhouse. Wink 

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Posted by MossRoad on Saturday, August 6, 2016 9:31 PM
How long does it take before each of my posts doesn't have to be approved by the administration before its posted? I still get the message that it'll be up to 24 business hours before each of my posts is approved. Oh well, it gives me something to look forward to on Mondays. hahahaha
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Posted by MossRoad on Saturday, August 6, 2016 9:45 PM

I found some more.... 
I found this page of BN yard maps

http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/maps.htm

 

and google earth'd all of them. That, and some blind luck and here you go.

ID, Avery, RH location
 47°14'57.12"N 115°49'15.89"W
Supporting document... supporting doc http://www.railroads-of-montana.com/Milwaukee_Road_Connections_Book.htm

IL, Centralia, TT and RH foundations - 2
 38°32'36.90"N  89° 8'8.09"W

NV, Wadsworth, TT and RH foundation
 39°37'58.28"N 119°17'15.52"W

MO, Chaffee, TT and RH foundations
 37°11'7.86"N  89°38'55.58"W
Supporting docs: http://www.semissourian.com/blogs/flynch/entry/62732

MT, Billings, RH Foundation
 45°46'36.67"N 108°30'40.70"W
Supporting docs: http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/billings3.htm

MO, Hannibal, RH Foundation
 39°42'20.62"N  91°20'57.38"W
Supporting docs: http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/hannibal.htm

MO, St. Joseph, TT foundation
 39°44'14.68"N  94°51'13.15"W
Supporting docs: http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/stjoseph1.htm

WA, Centralia, TT and RH Foundations 2009
 46°44'13.30"N 122°56'44.34"W
Supporting docs: http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/centrailia.htm

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Sunday, August 7, 2016 1:45 PM

Two orders of business here:

 

1) I added the new items listed since the last update.  Only the U.S. data were udated.

2) I have compressed all 5 files into one ZIP file so MAYBE everybody can download them all in one swell foop.  No one answered as to whether they were able to download the KMZ files, but because it now seems to be broken (I am certain it used to work) because the hosting service is filtering out allowing that file extension to be downloaded, I thought I'd try the ZIP format.

 

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/RR%20Roundhouses.zip

That should get you all 5 files at once for you to Un-ZIP.  I'll try the link myself to test it as soon as I post this missive.

 

Here are links to the individual files:

 

Excel file of all the data: 

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xls

 

PDF of the Non-U.S. locations:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf

 

KMZ of the Non-U.S. locations: 

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non-U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz

 

PDF of the U.S. locations: 

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf

 

KMZ of the U.S. locations:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz 

 

 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:09 PM

I saw MI, Petoskey on the Excel spreadsheet, but not on the PDF for USA.

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Posted by Cotton Belt MP104 on Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:28 PM

1. I too wonder how long it takes to "process" these posts  2. I have watched your postings and enjoyed looking at the ones that are close by.  3.  One  of yours really has been a mystery to me (will detail later).  4. Wanna tease?   5. I know of a roundhouse that presently does not exist (but has a funny story associated w/it's past)  6. Can you find where it was in Malden MO?  7. Anxious to chat  mike ....endmrw0807162127....

The ONE the ONLY/  Paragould, Arkansas/  None other, NOWHERE in the world/  Est. 1883 / formerly called The Crossing/ a portmanteau/  JW Paramore (Cotton Belt RR) Jay Gould (MoPac)/crossed at our town

 

The ONE the ONLY/ Paragould, Arkansas/ Est. 1883 / formerly called The Crossing/ a portmanteau/ JW Paramore (Cotton Belt RR) Jay Gould (MoPac)/crossed at our town/ None other, NOWHERE in the world
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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:33 PM

MidlandMike
I saw MI, Petoskey on the Excel spreadsheet, but not on the PDF for USA. 

The PDF's are printed from Excel, so it should be there unless you have an old PDF file.  Try downloading it again.

I wish I could tie the Google Earth Places files (KMZ) to the Excel data directly, but they are maintained totally separately and errors/omissions could be in either that are not in the other, but the PDF's should track exactly with the Excel files.

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Posted by Cotton Belt MP104 on Monday, August 8, 2016 11:55 AM
Moss Road, my 7 point not to you was posted yesterday and since I "replied" on your comment I thought it would appear as a note to you. Please review the thread and respond to the items intended for you. Got two things to share that you might be interested in endmrw0808161155
The ONE the ONLY/ Paragould, Arkansas/ Est. 1883 / formerly called The Crossing/ a portmanteau/ JW Paramore (Cotton Belt RR) Jay Gould (MoPac)/crossed at our town/ None other, NOWHERE in the world
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Posted by steve24944 on Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:42 PM

Found a turntable in the town of New Town ND.  It does not show on the USGS Topo Quad.   It is at the end of a Soo Line Branch serving Grain Elevators.  Looks like there might be the remains of a foundation of a small Engine House.

N 47 58' 42"    W 102 29' 45"     http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=47.97842,-102.49588&z=15&t=T

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Thursday, September 29, 2016 3:39 PM

New Town, ND; already in the list.  Thanks, anyway.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Thursday, September 29, 2016 8:08 PM

Fairport Harbor/Painesville, OH,   41°45'17.05"N  81°16'1.83"W   Former TT&RH

On Google Earth it can best be seen on early 2000s images.

Link to topo map:

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=41.7549&lon=-81.26615&z=16

 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:21 PM

Thank you MidlandMike... interesting that the ground appears to have been plowed in 2007 and 2014 based on the rows of vegetation, yet the locations of the radial tracks still show on the ground in later years.

I will try to get the on-line files updated in a week or so.

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:00 PM

Semper Vaporo
...yet the locations of the radial tracks still show on the ground in later years.

I've seen satellite images of areas that haven't had track in over 100 years - but freshly plowed ground will still reveal the route of the line.

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Posted by MossRoad on Friday, October 21, 2016 10:40 PM

MidlandMike

Fairport Harbor/Painesville, OH,   41°45'17.05"N  81°16'1.83"W   Former TT&RH

On Google Earth it can best be seen on early 2000s images.

Link to topo map:

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=41.7549&lon=-81.26615&z=16

 

 

 

Well, I haven't been around much. Busy busy busy. Found one in Toledo tonight. I was inspired by the topo map so I started poking around again. :)

I'm still looking for evidence of one in the abandoned Ottowa Yard in Erie, MI. But I went south and found another one on the topo of Toledo that I don't think is in the list yet....

OH, Toledo, RH Foundation
 41°41'24.67"N  83°30'21.83"W

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Posted by MossRoad on Sunday, October 23, 2016 12:41 AM

Here's another one in Toledo. Arc of the roundhouse can be seen in 1993 and it shows up on the topo map, too.

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=41.6224&lon=-83.53113&z=16

OH, Toledo RH foundation 1993
 41°37'21.33"N  83°31'53.01"W

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:35 AM

MossRoad
Here's another one in Toledo. Arc of the roundhouse can be seen in 1993 and it shows up on the topo map, too.

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=41.6224&lon=-83.53113&z=16

OH, Toledo RH foundation 1993
 41°37'21.33"N  83°31'53.01"W

I suspect that is the B&O's (now CSX) former Rossford Yard.

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Posted by MossRoad on Monday, October 24, 2016 10:29 PM

MI, Mackinaw City, TT and RH foundations visible 1994
 45°46'47.58"N  84°43'53.20"W

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=45.7777&lon=-84.72650&z=16

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Posted by MossRoad on Friday, November 4, 2016 7:30 PM

TX, Sweetwater, RH and TT foundations visible 2012
 32°29'48.68"N 100°24'16.64"W

It just seemed a lot of lines crossed there. 

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Posted by MossRoad on Friday, November 4, 2016 7:58 PM

OK, Purcell, TT and RH foundations 2012
 35° 0'12.79"N  97°21'30.71"W

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=35.0025&lon=-97.35855&z=16

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, November 4, 2016 8:20 PM

MossRoad

MI, Mackinaw City, TT and RH foundations visible 1994
 45°46'47.58"N  84°43'53.20"W

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=45.7777&lon=-84.72650&z=16

Hotel on the site now.

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Posted by MossRoad on Friday, November 4, 2016 8:27 PM

AL, Decatur, TT and RH foundations 2004
 34°35'29.03"N  86°59'5.87"W

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Posted by MossRoad on Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:21 PM

MO, Marceline, TT and RH foundations
 39°42'21.11"N  92°57'25.58"W

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Posted by MossRoad on Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:33 PM

IA, Keokuk, TT foundation 2010
 40°23'12.86"N   91°24'10.47"W

Link to topo map:
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=40.3874&lon=-91.40248&z=16

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Posted by MossRoad on Friday, November 25, 2016 11:19 PM

WI, Marshfield, TT 1998
 44°39'49.28"N  90° 9'51.97"W

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Posted by MossRoad on Friday, November 25, 2016 11:20 PM

WI, Wausau, TT and RH foundation V 1998
 44°57'23.84"N  89°37'3.88"W

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Posted by MossRoad on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 12:42 AM

AR, Newport, RH Foundation
 35°36'23.89"N  91°17'3.05"W

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Posted by MossRoad on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 12:43 AM

MO, Monett, TT and RH foundations V 2012
 36°55'13.66"N  93°54'54.48"W

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