Roundhouses and Turntables (and transfer tables)

[MossRoad]

Paducah, KY Roundhouse foundation

 37° 4'49.00"N  88°36'31.06"W

[MossRoad]

UT, Lynndyl, Roundhouse and turntable foundations

 39°30'49.95"N 112°22'54.27"W

Just found it looking around Utah tonight.

[MossRoad]

ID, Sprit Lake, Roundhouse and turntable foundations.

 47°58'9.89"N 116°52'48.28"W

Read about it accidentally while looking for info on a possible roundhouse in Twin Falls, ID., which hasn't panned out.

[MossRoad]

ID, Avery, Most likely the location of the MIlwaukee Road roundhouse in the west yard at Avery, ID.

 47°14'57.12"N 115°49'15.89"W

Supporting documentation is strong with photos of before and after its tear-down.
http://www.railroads-of-montana.com/Milwaukee_Road_Connections_Book.htm

This guy, is/was writing a book on the Milwaukee Road and its pretty convincing. Nice pics, too.

 

[Semper Vaporo]

Sorry to be late responding... just got home after a Quadruple Bypass and I am not moving well yet.  Playing catchup now.  At least it is not too strenuous to use the mouse and keyboard!

Have added 12 new entries, thanks to MossRoad!  You have a good eye.

I will update the files later, maybe next week.  (I'll set an alarm on my computer to remind me!)

[tree68]

Semper Vaporo

Sorry to be late responding... just got home after a Quadruple Bypass and I am not moving well yet.

Dude!  Not that anyone was going to hold your feet to the fire in the first place, but that's definitely a forgivable "infraction."

Hope you're back up to snuff soon!

[Cotton Belt MP104]

 

Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:16 PM

 

Tree   I second your “emotion”    semper has done a lotta work and a well deserved rest is in order thanks for making the motion    hope all will vote for his recovery from bad order  

 

p.s. I have a missing roundtable from the list that I want to prove     have eyewitness testimony of crews having operated trains out of it, but want to see evidence myself

 

p.p.s  have a story of a crew setting up night quarters in a caboose inside this roundhouse, avoid hotel cost       only to be awakened at night when the caboose was coupled to a locomotive and started moving   …… Cotton Belt decided they wanted to use their caboose  endmrw0615161044

tree68

 

Semper Vaporo

Sorry to be late responding... just got home after a Quadruple Bypass and I am not moving well yet.

 

 

Dude!  Not that anyone was going to hold your feet to the fire in the first place, but that's definitely a forgivable "infraction."

Hope you're back up to snuff soon!

 

The ONE the ONLY/ Paragould Arkansas/  1883 called The Crossing/ a portmanteau/ JW Paramore (Cotton Belt RR) Jay Gould (MoPac)/ None other, nowhere in the world

 

 

[MossRoad]

Well, I hardly know you, but hope things go well and here's to a speedy recovery! 

Please don't think I'm expecting drive-through speed service. hahahaa whenever it happens, it happens. I really appreciate the work you put into this.

I just happened to have some free time and started walking the rails, as they say, and came across a few. There's still some more holes out west that need to be looked over. 

 

MR

[MossRoad]

In honor of your recovery, here's a few more I found tonight. hee hee...

OR, Metolius, Roundhouse and turntable foundations

 44°35'12.82"N 121°10'56.50"W

[MossRoad]

WA, Wenatchee, Roundhouse and turntable foundations

 47°23'35.22"N 120°17'33.77"W

[MossRoad]

WA, Othello, Roundhouse foundation

 46°49'19.96"N 119°10'37.72"W

I read this one was wooden and burned down around 1919 and they rebuilt it in brick. That one's gone now, too, but the foundation is still visible.

[MossRoad]

OK, Enid, TT and RH foundations

 36°24'20.85"N  97°53'12.48"W

Just looked like a big hole in OK that should have a roundhouse. hahaha

[MossRoad]

OK, Waynoka, TT and RH foundations

 36°35'46.07"N  98°52'33.72"W

I saw this hole in OK, too, and started looking. Found it in the google earth view from 2012. Here's some supporting documentation, too... it was a 12 stall roundhouse.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=WA051

http://newsok.com/article/2157686

 

[MossRoad]

TX, Bonham TT pit and RH foundation

 33°34'28.10"N  96°11'8.26"W

[MossRoad]

WY, Green River, RH foundation

 41°31'42.17"N 109°28'18.36"W

Interesting history. Union Pacific got beat to establish a town there, so UP made their own town 12 miles west. The creek at that location dried up, so they had to move back to Green River.

[MossRoad]

WY, Greybull, RH foundation 1994

 44°29'8.16"N 108° 3'28.37"W

[MossRoad]

A busy night... hope everyone enjoyed the 4th.

KY, Princeton, RH foundation
37° 6'50.55"N  87°53'45.94"W

 

MO, Newburg, TT and RH foundations
37°54'42.94"N  91°54'14.75"W

 

WA, Lamont, RH and TT foundations
47°11'54.84"N 117°55'1.92"W

 

OR, La Grande, TT and RH foundations
45°19'52.62"N 118° 5'34.86"W

 

OR, Huntington, TT and RH foundations
44°21'10.04"N 117°16'16.75"W

[MossRoad]

Came across mention of this one while reading about others, so I didn't find it.

It may be called Pearl, but I can't find it on the list.

OR, Portland, TT and RH foundation visible 1990
 45°31'52.19"N 122°40'50.77"W

 

NV, Wadsworth, TT and RH foundation
 39°37'58.28"N 119°17'15.52"W

Apparently there were was one on the east side of the Truckee river, and they moved it to this location.

[MossRoad]

MO, Thayer, RH foundation
 36°31'33.91"N  91°32'15.28"W

MO, Chaffee, TT and RH foundations
 37°11'7.86"N  89°38'55.58"W

MO, Bismarck, TT and RH foundations
 37°45'52.71"N  90°37'21.63"W

ND, Harvey, TT and RH visible 1995
 47°46'10.33"N  99°55'45.38"W

ND, Wishek, TT and RH foundations
 46°15'44.03"N  99°33'49.67"W

ND, Hankinson, RH and TT visible 1990
 46° 4'20.47"N  96°54'25.13"W

[Semper Vaporo]

MossRoad

WA, Wenatchee, Roundhouse and turntable foundations

 47°23'35.22"N 120°17'33.77"W

 

Do you have any other evidence of this one?  I see just an arc on the ground in images since 2002, but in the 2 previous images ('90 and '98) the arc is not nearly as curved (granted the resolution is much worse that could be masking the curve).

 

However!  In the 1990 images I see a vague outline of two concentric circular areas (light ring around a dark dot in the center) North of your coords, at:

 

47°23'48.77"N  120°17'33.16"W

 

Still not enough for me to add that one either, but corraborating evidence would be helpful in either spot!

 

 

Oh yeah... maybe I should have begun with, "He's baaa-ack!"

[Semper Vaporo]

MossRoad

OK, Enid, TT and RH foundations

 36°24'20.85"N  97°53'12.48"W

Just looked like a big hole in OK that should have a roundhouse. hahaha

Yes, that just looks like where one should be... and in the 9/26/2011 image there is evidence of half of the TT ring and a small arc foundation opposite that which looks like part of a corresponding RH.

This one I will add.

[Norm48327]

I found this:

"BNR officials said 71 freight cars near the blast site were destroyed and 101 others were damaged.  In addition, six buildings inside the rail yard were demolished.  A large disused roundhouse, less than 100 yards from the blast, absorbed the much of the concussion and protected many nearby homes from heavy damage.  The rail yard was soon repaired and switching operations resumed within days of the disaster. "

Link to whole article: http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8154

Yep, there WAS a roundhouse there. 

[Semper Vaporo]

Norm48327

I found this:

"BNR officials said 71 freight cars near the blast site were destroyed and 101 others were damaged.  In addition, six buildings inside the rail yard were demolished.  A large disused roundhouse, less than 100 yards from the blast, absorbed the much of the concussion and protected many nearby homes from heavy damage.  The rail yard was soon repaired and switching operations resumed within days of the disaster. "

Link to whole article: http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8154

Yep, there WAS a roundhouse there. 

Yes... apparenty there WAS one there someplace!  Your coords make more sense as to the building location that may have protected some other homes.  I am going to add it.

[Semper Vaporo]

Files updated and posted... same URL links as before, but I'll repeat them here.

Note the Non-U.S. files have not changed this time.

 

Excel spreadsheet file (XML).  This contains all the data in 2 sheets in one file.  Click the tab at the bottom of the Excel window to select U.S. or non-U.S. data:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xls

 

The Non-U.S. data is duplicated in two files.  One is a printable PDF text file: (no changes since the April 21, 2016 file.)

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf

The other is a Google Earth KMZ file: (no changes since the April 21, 2016 file.)

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non-U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz

 

The U.S. data is also duplicated in two files.  One is a printable PDF text file:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf

The other is a Google Earth KMZ file:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz

 

Use them as you see fit.

[MidlandMike]

Wenatchee was where the engine change from steam to electric was done, at the base of the Cascade Tunnel grade.

[MidlandMike]

The other end of the Cascade Tunnel electrification was at Skykomish, where the electric to steam engine change took place.  Here is a photo of the roundhouse:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/skinnydip2014/23727128126

Unfortunatly the RH burned down on 1939, and there does not seem to be any trace left.  The link has both topo map and satellite view:

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=47.7087&lon=-121.3579&z=16

 

[MossRoad]

Semper Vaporo

 

 

MossRoad

WA, Wenatchee, Roundhouse and turntable foundations

 47°23'35.22"N 120°17'33.77"W

 

 

 

Do you have any other evidence of this one?  I see just an arc on the ground in images since 2002, but in the 2 previous images ('90 and '98) the arc is not nearly as curved (granted the resolution is much worse that could be masking the curve).

 

However!  In the 1990 images I see a vague outline of two concentric circular areas (light ring around a dark dot in the center) North of your coords, at:

 

47°23'48.77"N  120°17'33.16"W

 

Still not enough for me to add that one either, but corraborating evidence would be helpful in either spot!

 

 

Oh yeah... maybe I should have begun with, "He's baaa-ack!"

 

Glad you are back! Thanks for adding all those, I appreciate it. 

The Wenatchee is also referred to as South Wenatchee and sometimes as Appleyard.

I found three more yesterday....

ND, Devils Lake RH location visible well in 1997 view.
 48° 7'6.18"N  98°52'19.14"W
Its in an area now called Roundhouse Park and there's several references to it in google searches. There's another circle to the south/east a few hundred feet away. Almost looks like a turntable site. Can't prove it, yet, though.

ND, Overly, RH foundation and TT
 48°40'46.64"N 100° 9'7.93"W
Found this one while looking over a PDF of the Great Northern Railway system track charts. Its located here, but its a huge PDF, about 36M in size. Neat document.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjap_3q54POAhVi6YMKHXG9DtUQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmultimodalways.org%2Fdocs%2Frailroads%2Fcompanies%2FGN%2FGN%25201909-67%2520SYSTEM%2520TRACK%2520CHARTS.pdf&usg=AFQjCNG8rSLjOw7yTvfiu7g9r_MEjPD5CQ&bvm=bv.127521224,d.amc

Last one for tonight is in Minot, ND.
ND, Minot, RH foundation
 48°14'19.67"N 101°17'36.26"W
Its outer ring is visible in that parking lot in several years, some not in others. Apparently its an EPA cleanup site...

https://iaspub.epa.gov/enviro/fii_query_detail.disp_program_facility?p_registry_id=110056220147

Here's a yard map as proof of location.
http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/minot1.htm

 

[MossRoad]

Here's a yard map of the Appleyard in Wenatchee
http://www.fobnr.org/yardmaps/appleyard.htm

[Semper Vaporo]

ACK!

My PC went floozie and I had to revert to the factory Windows 8.1 (which destroyed ALL my files!), then re-update to Windows 10, then copy back to the HDD all the backup files...

BUT... the backup software didn't do what I expected.  It copied ALL files in my C:\USER... folders when I set it up back in January... 

BUT... Only the "Documents" folder had changed files copied to the backup after the initial creation of the backup, so any changes I made that got stored in other folders were not backed-up!

Google Earth stores the "Places" info in the "appdata" folder, not in the "Documents" folder... thus I lost all of the updates and "setups" I made after January.  All that work by MossRoad I'd have to re-copy to my files!

Not to worry... I had copied the Roundhouse Places data to my webspace so others could download it, so I figured I'd just download it myself and re-integrate it into the Places data...

OH NO!  I can't get the system to FIND the file!  When I click on the links "I have been providing" in this thread, I get the message "File not found!"... I can see the file when I log-in to my webspace, but again, when I try to fetch the file, "Not found!"...

I managed to mount the webspace to my Windows 10 PC as a remote drive and then I could download it, so I am back "close" to where I was (there were other Places folders that I had changed in the intervening months that I had not copied elsewhere, so I lost that stuff... not a big loss).

Anyway, this brings into question whether anyone has ever attempted to download the Google Earth "Places" (.kml) files from my webspace. 

Has it ever worked for anybody?  I thought I had tried it once and it worked, but my memory is not what it never was to begin with.

Please respond, yea or nay.  Maybe it is still a problem with my latest installation of Winders that I need to fix. 

If others have run into this problem I think I have a way to rename the files to something else (maybe ".txt") that my WebSpace provider will not filter out, and I can provide instructions on how to rename the files back to end in ".kml" so they can be merged with anyone's Places folder.

 

[Norm48327]

External hard drives are not expensive, and when your c drive takes a dump you don't lose them.