Yes, Historirc Aerials is quite useful, but it is not my primary research tool. No good reason come to mind now, but I tend to stick with what I started with (Google Earth). Originally, I was only listing those that were visible on G.E. but after I published my list the snowball started rolling and I have used several other sources as well.
Others have used Historic Aerials to suggest additions to my lists and I have a few in my list that are marked as visible on it... those primarily are the ones that are not also visible on Google Earth.
I am still somewhat amazed that there were/are so many.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
PA through WY and that's all I've got! hahaha
MN, Currie, TT and Engine house, EndOLine RR Park and Museum 44.07527084 N 95.66551415 W
Added... is this a museum? I see a steam loco, but the track is really short and goes nowhere!
- I think it’s a museum… http://www.endoline.com/
MO, Chillicothe, RH and TT foundations 2012 39.79170137 N 93.54118923 W
This one really bothers me. The earlier images show nothing... even show the area as having been plowed and smoothed, yet the 2012 image shows a vague outline and radial pattern. But the radial pattern is not as round as it should be, nor do all the radials point at the center. I need more "proof"... anybody else have an opinion? I will concede to the majority!
- I agree. They are not as round as they should be.
NE, Mitchell, Transfer Table 41.93288279 N 103.8828472 W
Added... but where did you get the name Mitchell?
- It could be Mitchel, it could be Morrill, it could be something else. I just picked the first item I saw near it with info, which was Mitchell Valley farm in Mitchell, NE.
NY, Bronx, TT foundation 1995 40.80766651 N 73.89860109 W
Listed as "Barretto Cove, NY"... I don't know why!
- I think that’s the name of the neighborhood in the Bronx. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Barretto+Cove/@40.8010821,-73.8858642,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c2f50c78d3e955:0xe7de37bf2ec21d02
OH, Akron, RH foundation 41.08619418 N 81.48825989 W
Added, but I see no evidence of a TT... may have just been a switched fan of tracks to an engine house.
- Agreed. It looks to be only 3-4 stalls.
OH, Flushing, RH foundation 1994 40.15652984 N 81.11781532 W
Listed as “Holloway, OH”… where’d you get Flushing.
- If you go to Google Maps and drop the street views guy onto the road in front of the location, the address comes up as Flushing, OH, which is off to the west a bit. I agree that Holloway, OH is closer…. And, of course, google maps is never, ever incorrect! hahahaa
This is another unconfirmed TT or oil tank. Anyone know?
Unrelated, but interesting, look at the tracks to the south and north of this location over many years with the slider. Someone is scrapping out hundreds of locos.
OH, McDonald, TT foundation 2005 41.17087956 N 80.73257138 W
Unconfirmed. Telltale marks on the ground move around too much from year to year, in relation to the tracks and other things.
- The circle isn’t moving around in relation to the other objects in the pictures. The registration of the pictures in Google Earth are off from year to year in that location. However, I agree that there’s still no proof it’s a turn table pit.
OH, Van Wert, RH and TT foundations 2012 40.87611951 N 84.58891016 W
Oopsies! I had that in Indiana! (Sorry to insult the folk in both states!)
- No insult taken. J
And THANK YOU for your work.
- This isn’t work, it’s fun. You’re the one compiling everything. Thanks!
MR
Semper Vaporo ... NY, Bronx, TT foundation 1995 40.80766651 N 73.89860109 W Listed as "Barretto Cove, NY"... I don't know why! ... Could be a TT or could be an oil tank. Not confirmed. Anyone got info on it? NY, Long Island City, TT foundation 1994 40.75141925 N 73.92727646 W Not confirmed. ...
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Could be a TT or could be an oil tank. Not confirmed. Anyone got info on it?
NY, Long Island City, TT foundation 1994 40.75141925 N 73.92727646 W
Not confirmed.
What you call "Barretto Cove, NY" is called Oak Point on topo maps and SPV rail map.
For your Long Island City site (Sunnyside Yard) , if you look at topo map, you see a TT symbol. Search for Long Island City on:
http://www.mytopo.com/maps/
Zwingle added Barretto Cove, NY back on Sept 25, 2011 (page 4 of this thread). Maybe he can chime in here and explain the name. I did find a Barretto Point Park to the east... I suppose that the Point is the spit of land that forms the cove.
I have changed the name temporarily to "Barretto Cove/Oak Point, NY"
I then added "Long Island City, Queens, NY" as a TT pit only.
Thanks. (MyTopo dot com is another good resource.)
Thanks. While Sunnyside Yard is in the geographic area of Long Island City, there is a Long Island City station and yard a mile or two to the west. It's where steam/deisel trains terminate(d) at a ferry slip across from Manhattan. Not sure if they also had a TT at one time.
Hmmm… I didn’t see MossRoad’s latest two posts until this morning when I got notices of them being made… and that was long after I made my last post. Oh well… here is what I have done about the latest additions: PA, Altoona, Transfer Table 40.52006437 N 78.39450284 W Added.
PA, Beaver Falls, RH 2005 Reused 40.76950511 N 80.31894552 WAdded.
PA, Bethlehem, RH and TT 1992 40.59856984 N 75.34201024 W I have it listed as “Hellertown, Bethlehem, PA”
PA, Brookville, RH and TT 41.15114285 N 79.06548891 W Added… This is NEW! Nothing there at all in 1993!
PA, DuBois, Transfer Table 41.12772549 N 78.76716762 W Added.
PA, Duryea, RH 41.35270113 N 75.80036316 W Listed as “West Pittston Jct. PA”
PA, Edwardsville, TT foundation and RH 2005 41.2635419 N 75.90317086 W Listed as “Wilkes-Barre/Kingston, PA”
PA, Jersey Shore, RH visible 1993 41.18006564 N 77.30679618 W Added.
PA, Pitcairn, RH foundation 2002 40.39919668 N 79.78389678 W Added.
PA, Pittsburgh, Scully Yard RH foundation 2005 40.45918955 N 80.09408612 W Added.
PA, Pittsburgh, Rook RH foundation 2005 40.41607731 N 80.06585211 W Added. Could be a roundhouse foundation. Could be a pile of eroded dirt! Hahaha Anyone know?PA, Scranton, RH location unconfirmed 1992 41.39461432 N 75.68530465 W Not added yet. Need more proof.
PA,Tamaqua, RH converted 40.80476566 N 75.94679347 W Added.
SD, Watertown, RH 1991 44.89611381 N 97.12466728 W Added.
Not sure about this one at all. Looks maybe just a curved building. Anyone know?TN, Chattanooga, RH Unconfirmed 1997 35.03863838 N 85.29031173W Not added, yet. The curve to the parking lot in the later years sure looks like the landscape archetech took advantage of the concrete already on the ground!
Not relevant: A railroad museum TN, Chattanooga, TN Valley Railroad Museum 35.06732762 N 85.20603129 W I got to ride in the cab of a steamer there! NICE place!
TN, Erwin, RH foundation 2007 36.14321135 N 82.42370338 W Added.
TN, Erwin, TT 36.14213536 N 82.42464537 W Added. Too far away from the RH to be associated with it, so I added this as a separate item.
TN, Memphis, RH foundation 2003 35.12159333 N 90.05716682 W Already listed as “Memphis, TN”.
TN, Memphis, Turntable 35.02531266 N 89.8956416 W Already listed as “Memphis, TN”.
TX, Cleburne, Transfer table 32.35709661 N 97.38194856 W Added.
TX, Cleburne, TT and RH Foundation 32.35566231 N 97.38191843 W Added.
TX, Fort Worth, TT and RH foundations 2001 32.72392365 N 97.32298303 W Added.
Houston is amazing. There’s pictures going back to the 1940’s in the time slider in Google Earth. TX, Houston, RH 1944 unconfirmed 29.78566768 N 95.31944054 W That curved back wall is interesting, but not conclusive enough for me.
TX, Houston, TT and 360 degree RH 1953 29.77258558 N 95.3527037 W Added.
TX, Houston, TT and RH 1944 29.76950318 N 95.37373362 W Added.
TX, Houston, TT and RH 1944 29.75556846 N 95.34686393 W Added.
TX, Houston, TT and RH 1953 29.74385585 N 95.339468 W ??? Same as the one above, but the image is not registered to the same coordinates.
TX, Houston, TT and RH foundation 1953 29.77050767 N 95.35945895 W Added. The Roundhouse was already just a footprint before 1944!
TX, Tyler, TT and RH 1995 32.35721445 N 95.29171236 W Added.
UT, Wendover, TT and RH foundations 40.73582925 N 114.0324366 W Added.
VA, Richmond, RH Foundations 37.51053894 N 77.41325749 W Already listed as “Montrose, VA”.
VA, Roanoke, Transfer Table 37.28092648 N 79.97409032 W Added.
VT, White River Junction, TT and RH Destroyed 2009, rebuilt 2011 43.65330476 N 72.32880471 W Already listed as “Hartford, White River Junction, VT”.
I read about this one somewhere.VT, Woodstock, TT pit and RH site 43.62719228 N 72.50822179 W Not added yet. Got any more info?
WA, Vancouver, TT moved to here from 250 yards south in 2014 45.65066252 N 122.6873953 WAdded. (See below.) WA, Vancouver, TTmoved 250 yards north from here in 2014 45°38'57.93"N 122°41'9.72"WPresently listed at the South location. Added comment about it being moved.
WA, Yakima, TT 1996 46.58947529 N 120.5025267 WAlready listed as “Yakima, WA TT fp - Washington Central RR RH - Former Site”. Not related: Barraboo, WI is home to the World Circus Museum. They have MANY circus wagons in this barn. Every so often, they use horses to load the restored ones up onto the train and haul them to Milwaukee or Chicago for the Great Circus Parade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Circus_ParadeAnyhow, my family was there when they returned to Barraboo and unloaded one year. Really neat. WI, Barrabooo, Circus Trains 43.46649322 N 89.74826065 W Not relevant. Not related, but I like swing bridges, as well. WI, Green Bay, Swing Bridge 44.52416758 N 88.01022555 W Not relevant. You might want to start a different listing of RR bridges!
WI, Mellen, RH Foundation unconfirmed 46.32579354 N 90.65876198 W Added. Unrelated: 5 swing bridges in Milwaukee.WI, Milwaukee, Swing Bridge 43.01354412 N 87.90331904 W WI, Milwaukee, Swing Bridge 43.02803575 N 87.90426442 W WI, Milwaukee, Swing Bridge 43.03218523 N 87.91169244 W WI, Milwaukee, Swing Bridge 43.00822315 N 87.90848083 W WI, Milwaukee, Swing Bridge 43.02750323 N 87.92145031 W Not relevant. WI, Wisconsin Dells, TT 43.64258307 N 89.79084991 W Already listed as: ‘Lake Delton, WI”.
WI, Wisconsin Dells, TT and RH 43.64258307 N 89.79084991 W ?? Same as above.
WY, Buford, TT and RH foundations 41.13280721 N 105.3967059 W Already listed as: “Sherman Hill, WY”.
And last, but not least, I read about the roundhouse complex in Laramie, WY, but the only thing left visible is this smokestack, which was reportedly too big to tear down. My guess is it’s probably just sentimental to the town.WY, Laramie, RH power plant smokestack 41.30897257 N 105.5987843 W Not relevant.
--------------------------------------- I will update the files and put them up later today. I have spent too much of the morning getting bleary-eyed looking at Google Earth, between bouts of beating my rags on rocks down in the dungeon and poking the ol’ Dragon (AKA; I’m doing laundry!)… and I have two copies of my novel that I printed yesterday to bind as hardback books that I was planning on doing between batches of clothes.
These additions bring the total in the U.S. to over 1000 sites!
Thank you very much!
Files updated and posted... same URL links as before, but I'll repeat them here.
Note the Non-U.S. files have not changed this time.
Excel spreadsheet file (XML). This contains all the data in 2 sheets in one file. Click the tab at the bottom of the Excel window to select U.S. or non-U.S. data:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xls
The Non-U.S. data is duplicated in two files. One is a printable PDF text file: (no changes since the April 21, 2016 file.)
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
The other is a Google Earth KMZ file: (no changes since the April 21, 2016 file.)
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non-U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz
The U.S. data is also duplicated in two files. One is a printable PDF text file:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
The other is a Google Earth KMZ file:
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz
Use them as you see fit.
Cotton Belt MP104vapor thanks for the websites to get google Ariel Data, besides RR I love maps problem is I would like to electronically save to edit w/labels can't get that done any suggestions used to got USGS maps galore saved/printed to make a collage endmrw0425161315
Are you saying you have paper maps and want to digitize them for distribution? You just need a digitizer. Either a flat-bed that you can put the maps on or a hand scanner. They would both need to be big enough to handle the whole map at once or you will need to scan sections and either save the sections individually or use an image editing program to link them together. Not a pleasant chore, but do-able.
Just be careful as to Copyrights. It might be that you cannot distribute them without violating the Copyright, and posting them here would be a problem. I believe you can post segments of them with proper attribution, but even that is "iffy". USGS maps should be free to copy (I think your U.S. taxes paid for them so you should own them), but I am not sure of that.
Semper Vaporo Files updated and posted... same URL links as before, but I'll repeat them here. Note the Non-U.S. files have not changed this time. Excel spreadsheet file (XML). This contains all the data in 2 sheets in one file. Click the tab at the bottom of the Excel window to select U.S. or non-U.S. data: http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xls The Non-U.S. data is duplicated in two files. One is a printable PDF text file: (no changes since the April 21, 2016 file.) http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf The other is a Google Earth KMZ file: (no changes since the April 21, 2016 file.) http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non-U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz The U.S. data is also duplicated in two files. One is a printable PDF text file: http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf The other is a Google Earth KMZ file: http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/U.S.%20RR%20Roundhouses.kmz Use them as you see fit.
Thanks so much! I posted those last ones late Friday night, but since I'm a new member, all of my posts can be delayed up to 24 business hours before being approved by the management. So that's why they didn't go up until early Monday.
I thought when I started doing this, I'd find a few here and there. I started with the NJI&I roundhouse in South Bend, Indiana, as I drive past it very often. I know a gentleman that worked for that RR and he told me the history of it. And I knew there were two roundhouses in Elkhart, Indiana and read about a tree planting program at the RH site. The trees are supposed to leach up the soil contamination in the area. Then I happened to be on Google Earth over Niles, MI and saw the roundhouse that's still there being reused as a company called Roundhouse Supply (go figure). Saw some more in Chicago area and I was hooked. Started pinning them in Google Earth. After I went through a few larger cities in the midwest, on a complete hunch, I'd look at the spot directly between the two large cities with roundhouses and zoom into the nearest town on RR tracks as close to the center point between the two towns and 9 out of 10 times, there'd be a roundhouse foundation right there. So it got to a point of halving the distance between each roundhouse location to find the rest of them. I probably had about 65% of the ones on your list when I started looking. What I didn't have were the ones that were long gone and paved over, or any resemblance of RR tracks live or dug up near them. That's what I gained from reading through this entire thread several months ago, until I came to the posts you made with your compiled lists. Then I cheated and went to the last post and read backwards until I found your latest list. That's the one that I downloaded and compared to the output of my KMZ file as a spreadsheet. By then I had 85% of them and that's about when I decided to sign up and share. Thanks for the fun!
Semper Vaporo - You are correct about the USGS maps; anything produced at Federal government expense is in the public domain, you can use it pretty much however you want.
WI, Wisconsin Dells, TT 43.64258307 N 89.79084991 W Already listed as: ‘Lake Delton, WI”.
There's two turntables at the Dells. There's one in front of the roundhouse at 43°38'33.28"N 89°47'28.71"W
Then look about 200' to the southeast. There appears to be a small scale turtable at 43°38'32.52"N 89°47'26.97"W
I think some of my coordinates got twisted a bit in Excel, sorry about that.
- I saw it for sale on Zillow, I believe. Here's a link to an article about the Woodstock RR.
http://www.thevermontstandard.com/2011/03/recalling-the-woodstock-railroad/
Its mentioned to be a 68' pit still visible behind the Windsor county jail. In google earth, there's a Windsor county sherrif office directly south of it. It talks about the engine shed still being visible with a water tower on the western end, and that's visible in google earth. No where in the article does in mention a roundhouse, though, so it appears it is just a turntable and engine shed.
Okay... I have added a 2nd TT at the Delton Lake/Wisconsin Dells, WI area. I still have them listed as in "Delton Lake/Wisconsin Dells, WI" Note that both of these are on a 1/2 scale RR.
I also added the Woodstock, VT turntable pit. Your reference material is sufficient for me, since the wall visible on G.E. measures out to really close to 68' like is stated in the reference material.
Thanks for both... And, yes this is still FUN! I am having trouble getting my books printed and bound for wandering around on Google Earth following RRs!
I will wait a while before I update the files on-line... just in case more come to light due to this recent flurry of activity of the forum thread. (I'll set an alarm on my computer to remind me to do it in a week or so.)
Chisholm, MN Turntable
47°28'42.94"N 92°54'1.02"W
Childress, TXRoundhouse foundation34°25'35.64"N 100°13'8.91"W
TX, Slaton, RH and TT foundations
33°26'23.99"N 101°37'53.15"W
OK, Altus, TT and RH foundations 2010
34°38'44.09"N 99°20'37.30"W
KS, Junction City, RH Foundation 39° 2'23.82"N 96°49'25.85"W
Can you think of a better place for a roundhouse than a town called Junction City? hahaha
KS, Plainville, possible 2 stall engine house foundation. 39°14'8.59"N 99°18'14.33"W
Only supporting text I can find for this is here....
http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/p/159749/1760908.aspx
KS, Pratt, Roundhouse Foundation 37°39'24.52"N 98°44'14.31"W
Sorry for the additions... I just had a few evenings to kill and started halving the distances between known roundhouses and there they are. I need some sleep. Hope everyone has a good summer.
Regards,
KS, Herington, RH foundation. 38°40'31.23"N 96°56'52.45"W
Supporting evidence...
http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/226541
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