I still do not wave!
zugmann henry6 ... not breaking any laws, taking a picture from a legal and safe location of a train. Yeah, like that would happen.
henry6 ... not breaking any laws, taking a picture from a legal and safe location of a train.
... not breaking any laws, taking a picture from a legal and safe location of a train.
Yeah, like that would happen.
Perhaps henry6 would like to take the opportunity now to step up and take personal responsibility to ensure that no foamers do anything stupid or injure themselves or cause railroad employees to injure themselves.
Murray zugmann henry6 ... not breaking any laws, taking a picture from a legal and safe location of a train. Yeah, like that would happen. Perhaps henry6 would like to take the opportunity now to step up and take personal responsibility to ensure that no foamers do anything stupid or injure themselves or cause railroad employees to injure themselves.
Safety First Henry6. And you're first in line.
RRKen I still do not wave!
Given the security paranoia inspired by Homeland...you're probably better off not to anyway...a wave might illicit a call to Big Brother as suspicious activity.
The good old days are gone..back in the day my brother and I would wave at the trains like fools...and the guys on the trains would wave back at us like fools. Now that's all gone.. there are fewer people on the trains and the kids are playing computer games...thank God for progress...
What if Eleanor Roosevelt waved?
Waved what?
The flag...
...from her 1951 Nash.
Murray What if Eleanor Roosevelt waved?
I think she did, but she had more pull that we do. Homeland Security would not mess with her.
I'd have to agree as she has been deceased for quite some time now...
Ulrich I'd have to agree as she has been deceased for quite some time now...
Thats just a rumor started by Thomas E. Dewey...
Murray Ulrich I'd have to agree as she has been deceased for quite some time now... Thats just a rumor started by Thomas E. Dewey...
And Generalismo Franco started the rumor about Dewey.
From the objections, you would think that henry6 is proposing acts of civil disobedience!
As for foamers doing stupid things to get a picture of a train... I don't think they need a declared "Take a Picture of a Train Day".
"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics
RRKen Murray Ulrich I'd have to agree as she has been deceased for quite some time now... Thats just a rumor started by Thomas E. Dewey... And Generalismo Franco started the rumor about Dewey.
Although it should be pointed out that Franco never owned a Nash...
Henry is on the right track I think..if we don't push back we will soon find ourselves living in a police state. I do not participate in group activities..however I will do and go where I please while being careful not to interfere with others. If I want to take a picture I'm going to take a picture...arrest me.
Ulrich Henry is on the right track I think..if we don't push back we will soon find ourselves living in a police state. I do not participate in group activities..however I will do and go where I please while being careful not to interfere with others. If I want to take a picture I'm going to take a picture...arrest me.
So what you are saying Ulrich is that you are promioting a mob mentality and basic anarchy.
So much for the rule of law ladies and gentlemen.
UlrichIf I want to take a picture I'm going to take a picture...arrest me.
If I want to take a picture I'm going to take a picture...arrest me.
Ok, I'll call the rr cops.
Common sense be your guide, and respect for others properties. Also knowing local conditions helps.
RRKenCommon sense be your guide,
Common sense be your guide,
C'mon Ken, how many people have common sense these days?
Murray Ulrich Henry is on the right track I think..if we don't push back we will soon find ourselves living in a police state. I do not participate in group activities..however I will do and go where I please while being careful not to interfere with others. If I want to take a picture I'm going to take a picture...arrest me. So what you are saying Ulrich is that you are promioting a mob mentality and basic anarchy. So much for the rule of law ladies and gentlemen.
No..quite the opposite...like I said..I do not participate in group activities... I will however assert my freedom by doing what ever it is that I do without interfering with your freedom to do the same. I support Henry in his initiative to "push back".. he's doing it in his own way while I do it in mine.
enr2099 RRKen Common sense be your guide, C'mon Ken, how many people have common sense these days?
RRKen Common sense be your guide,
Darn it all, you would have to throw out fact and ruin my day?
RRKenDarn it all, you would have to throw out fact and ruin my day?
I just calls it as I sees it.
enr2099 Ulrich If I want to take a picture I'm going to take a picture...arrest me. Ok, I'll call the rr cops. Please do...I'll make sure the coffee is on..
Ulrich If I want to take a picture I'm going to take a picture...arrest me.
Please do...I'll make sure the coffee is on..
Ah, wait until the authorities find out (at great expense and much money paid to informants) that there are organized groups, often of unmarried men with varying degrees of personal hygiene, who actually possess and share pieces of paper that contain the location and times when trains will arrive and depart!; that there are people who actually possess certain personal electronic devices that permit them to listen into the business directed conversations at will between railroad personnel and staff that often reveal times and locations and consists as well as destinations of trains!; that people share the radio channels that contain such conversations; that certain organizations have quietly placed video cameras that not only record the real-time passage of trains, including military movements, but preserve photographic evidence of actual recent train activity; that persons and organizations have banded together, with no known profit motive, to encourage, detect, and reward what are thought to be the most rare photographic captures of train movements; that persons, in basements, attics or garages, laboriously construct and study replicas of sensitive installations, accurate to the scale inch!
And I'd remind you that either we are closing our eyes to a situation we do not wish to acknowledge or we are unaware of the caliber of disaster represented by the presence of a pool table in this community.
Dave Nelson
UlrichNo..quite the opposite...like I said..I do not participate in group activities... I will however assert my freedom by doing what ever it is that I do without interfering with your freedom to do the same. I support Henry in his initiative to "push back".. he's doing it in his own way while I do it in mine.
OK Ulrich let me hear you finish the sentence by stating "within the law" and them maybe I'll believe you.
Murray UlrichNo..quite the opposite...like I said..I do not participate in group activities... I will however assert my freedom by doing what ever it is that I do without interfering with your freedom to do the same. I support Henry in his initiative to "push back".. he's doing it in his own way while I do it in mine. OK Ulrich let me hear you finish the sentence by stating "within the law" and them maybe I'll believe you.
You got it.."within the law"..
Henry,
If you want to push back, I think you would get a lot more mileage out of a letter writing campaign to Homeland Security. Tell them who you are, what you do around railroads, why you do it, and tell them that you don’t want to be unnecessarily harassed by law enforcement. Ask Ms. Napolitano to explain railfan activity to the public so they don’t see it as something unusual or not making sense, and waste law enforcement’s time checking it out. If you go out there on a mass protest, you are going to have to explain all of the above to the cops anyway. You might as well take it right to the source.
This is the accurate description to use to Homeland Security:
Ok all you unmarried men with varying degrees of personal hygiene stand over there. The rest of you follow me.
WhiteLeather From Trains.com News Wire: "Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano this week suggested citizens should call law enforcement when they see someone taking a picture of "critical infrastructure." Photographing rail lines from public property remains perfectly legal, but Napolitano suggests citizens should call police anyway. "One of the things we ask people to do," Napolitano told Fox News, "is when they see something unusual, if they see, for example, somebody continually taking photographs of a piece of critical infrastructure that doesn't seem to make any sense … to report that to local law enforcement so it can be followed up on." I've been "investigated" as "suspicious" for simply sitting along a public road and it, like TSA at airports, is yet another slam against our basic 4th Amendment rights. Ms. Napolitano's suggestion will just tie up police and sheriffs for no real reason. She tells people that if you see someone doing something that's "perfectly legal", report it anyway. Wha...?????
From Trains.com News Wire:
"Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano this week suggested citizens should call law enforcement when they see someone taking a picture of "critical infrastructure." Photographing rail lines from public property remains perfectly legal, but Napolitano suggests citizens should call police anyway. "One of the things we ask people to do," Napolitano told Fox News, "is when they see something unusual, if they see, for example, somebody continually taking photographs of a piece of critical infrastructure that doesn't seem to make any sense … to report that to local law enforcement so it can be followed up on."
I've been "investigated" as "suspicious" for simply sitting along a public road and it, like TSA at airports, is yet another slam against our basic 4th Amendment rights. Ms. Napolitano's suggestion will just tie up police and sheriffs for no real reason. She tells people that if you see someone doing something that's "perfectly legal", report it anyway.
Wha...?????
So if your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. I don't see the big deal. Now if I was a tresspasser I might be upset, which might explain some of the responses on this board.......
An "expensive model collector"
Murray Ok all you unmarried men with varying degrees of personal hygeine stand over there. The rest of you follow me.
Ok all you unmarried men with varying degrees of personal hygeine stand over there. The rest of you follow me.
I showered today, and even used shampoo.
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