"The Road of Personalized Services" was the way it was written in my July 1973 Official Guide. Who is up?
Carl
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The Illinois Terminal, though I thought their slogan was, "The Road of Personal Service", which is slightly different from what you posted.
Mark
What railroad's slogan was, "The Road of Personalized Services"?
SSW9389 The railroad bridge at Thebes, IL was owned by the Southern Illinois & Missouri Bridge Company(SIMBCO). At one time three railroads owned a portion of SIMBCO: Chicago & Eastern Illinois, Missouri Pacific, and St. Louis Southwestern. The C&EI sold its interest in SIMBCO to MP in 1945, but maintained trackage rights over the bridge for a fee.
The railroad bridge at Thebes, IL was owned by the Southern Illinois & Missouri Bridge Company(SIMBCO). At one time three railroads owned a portion of SIMBCO: Chicago & Eastern Illinois, Missouri Pacific, and St. Louis Southwestern. The C&EI sold its interest in SIMBCO to MP in 1945, but maintained trackage rights over the bridge for a fee.
While a number of you contributed info about the Thebes Bridge, SSW was the only one to identify the SI&MBCo as the original owner of the bridge so I think he should get to ask the next question.
Actually five RR's set up the SI&MBCo and each had a 20% ownership of the Co. I was surprised to se the Illinois Central as one of them but at the time the IC had a line running from Cairo to Thebes.
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/8199/thebes.html
Deggesty KCSfan Johnny, You seem to be misreading my messages. Not south of Memphis but down the river south of St. Louis. That would place it between St. Louis and Memphis. Mark Sorry, Mark, I thought that Memphis is south of St. Louis. If you had added, "north of Memphis," I would have remembered the Missouri-Illinois Railroad. The bridge was also used by the MP and the Cotton Belt. I do not recall any other bridge between the two cities. Johnny
KCSfan Johnny, You seem to be misreading my messages. Not south of Memphis but down the river south of St. Louis. That would place it between St. Louis and Memphis. Mark
Johnny,
You seem to be misreading my messages. Not south of Memphis but down the river south of St. Louis. That would place it between St. Louis and Memphis.
Johnny
From the given coordinates, I would guess either Cape Girardeau(sp?), Missouri or Cairo, Ill. - a,s,
http://books.google.com/books?id=nt8DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA721&dq=Thebes+Bridge
http://books.google.com/books?id=sdhbTuYxgNsC&pg=PA4&dq=Cotton+Belt+Thebes
Yes, Mark, I was reading too fast. South of Memphis, we have two bridges at Memphis, one at Vicksburg, one at Baton Rouge, and one at New Orleans. The last two are definitely not in the running, so we are left with Vicksburg, with the VS&P using it. Memphis--Kansas City, Fort Scott and Memphis bridge and Iron Mountain bridge (or was it Rock Island?). I guess that the Frisco (KC,FS&M) was first.
Yes, but the Eads Bridge was at St. Louis. The question referred to the first bridge south of St. Louis. I need to clarify that what I meant was not the first one built but the first one going down river from St. Louis.
Going back to Carl's previous question, I think we can add the North Shore (CNS&M) which IIRC ended at Howard St. in Evanston and ran over the Chicago Rapit Transit (later the CTA) from there to the loop.
KCSfan Not to mention the Chicago & New York Electric Air Line. Anyhow here's the next question. When built, the first rail bridge south of St. Louis across the Mississippi River was owned by what corporation and used by what railroads? Mark
Not to mention the Chicago & New York Electric Air Line. Anyhow here's the next question.
When built, the first rail bridge south of St. Louis across the Mississippi River was owned by what corporation and used by what railroads?
Mark, you are right on all three counts. Now, is Carl counting track only, or is he allowing operating over the C&WI?
Carl.
After posting my prior reply I remembered that the Big Four (CCC&StL) only ran to Kankakee and reached Chicago via the IC from there. I also thnk the Monon (CI&L) reached Chicago via another road, possibly the C&WI.
Carl,
Johnny beat me to the C&IM but I'm sure of one other. the Chicago Heights Terminal Transfer. I also believe the C&EI only went to Dolton and reached Chicago from there via the Chicago & Western Indiana.
CShaveRRAll righty, then--as long as we're talking "Capitals" and "twos", give me the names of two railroads that had "Chicago" (the railroad capital, of course!) in their name, but never reached the city. I had two railroads in mind when I came up with this, but there definitely are at least two more.
Carl, the only one I can think of offhand is Chicago and Illinois Midland.
The Post Road connection didn't get built until after NYC leased the B&A, and in any event, it ended in Rensselaer. The last couple miles across the bridge to Albany Union Station would have been over NYC, for sure.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
TrainManTy I think the B&A went to Selkirk, NY... Maybe they bypassed Albany by a bit?
I think the B&A went to Selkirk, NY... Maybe they bypassed Albany by a bit?
wanswheel CShaveRR, Yes, state caps and the not quite Boston & Albany. Your turn.
CShaveRR, Yes, state caps and the not quite Boston & Albany. Your turn.
I'm pretty sure they did run all the way into Boston in the 19th Century, but their track ended at not-quite-Albany. Is that what you meant?
CShaveRR Just had a flash...the other railroad is/was the Denver & Salt Lake. We're talking about railroads with state capitals in their corporate name.
Just had a flash...the other railroad is/was the Denver & Salt Lake. We're talking about railroads with state capitals in their corporate name.
That's got to be it. But, there's also the Boston and Albany, which was separate from the NYC for quite a while...
wanswheel Not a locomotive. In fact not even railroad property, except as in a trademark.
Not a locomotive. In fact not even railroad property, except as in a trademark.
I'm halfway there...could you give us another clue as to the other railroad with two? RF&P is yet another railroad that has one, but virtually all of its connections had none.
Cities in it's corporate name? That can't be it. New York, New Haven and Harford is also three and the question said ATSF had more than the NH. Nickel Plate had four. Milwaukee Road had 3.
Hmmm.
So far no cigar, but mentioning Topeka is a step in the right direction.
Al, you're thinking of the Hotel Pennsylvania.
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