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Posted by SSW9389 on Saturday, March 7, 2009 6:08 PM

"The Road of Personalized Services" was the way it was written in my July 1973 Official Guide. Who is up?

 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, March 7, 2009 4:53 PM
I'm sure "personalized" is correct, as is your answer, Mark.

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Posted by KCSfan on Saturday, March 7, 2009 3:38 PM

The Illinois Terminal, though I thought their slogan was, "The Road of Personal Service", which is slightly different from what you posted.

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Posted by SSW9389 on Saturday, March 7, 2009 3:05 PM

What railroad's slogan was, "The Road of Personalized Services"?

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Posted by KCSfan on Saturday, March 7, 2009 11:51 AM

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The railroad bridge at Thebes, IL was owned by the Southern Illinois & Missouri Bridge Company(SIMBCO). At one time three railroads owned a portion of SIMBCO: Chicago & Eastern Illinois, Missouri Pacific, and St. Louis Southwestern. The C&EI sold its interest in SIMBCO to MP in 1945, but maintained trackage rights over the bridge for a fee.   

While a number of you contributed info about the Thebes Bridge, SSW was the only one to identify the SI&MBCo as the original owner of the bridge so I think he should get to ask the next question.

Actually five RR's set up the SI&MBCo and each had a 20% ownership of the Co. I was surprised to se the Illinois Central as one of them but at the time the IC had a line running from Cairo to Thebes.

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/8199/thebes.html

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Posted by SSW9389 on Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:09 AM

The railroad bridge at Thebes, IL was owned by the Southern Illinois & Missouri Bridge Company(SIMBCO). At one time three railroads owned a portion of SIMBCO: Chicago & Eastern Illinois, Missouri Pacific, and St. Louis Southwestern. The C&EI sold its interest in SIMBCO to MP in 1945, but maintained trackage rights over the bridge for a fee.   

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Friday, March 6, 2009 5:51 PM

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Johnny,

You seem to be misreading my messages. Not south of Memphis but down the river south of St. Louis. That would place it between St. Louis and Memphis.

Mark

Sorry, Mark, I thought that Memphis is south of St. Louis. If you had added, "north of Memphis," I would have remembered the Missouri-Illinois Railroad. The bridge was also used by the MP and the Cotton Belt. I do not recall any other bridge between the two cities.

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From the given coordinates, I would guess either Cape Girardeau(sp?), Missouri or Cairo, Ill.  - a,s,

 

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Friday, March 6, 2009 5:28 PM

River Wars 1: Life along the Mississippi
Trains, May 1988 page 26
Competition and cooperation between UP and SP (MP and SSW)
( "FRAILEY, FRED W.", OPERATION, SP, TRACKAGE, UP, TRN )

River Wars 2: Of hares, tortoises, mules and Big Sweet Mama
Trains, June 1988 page 40
Competition and cooperation along the Missouri River
( AMTK, "FRAILEY, FRED W.", OPERATION, SP, TRACKAGE, UP, TRN )

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, March 6, 2009 4:22 PM

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Johnny,

You seem to be misreading my messages. Not south of Memphis but down the river south of St. Louis. That would place it between St. Louis and Memphis.

Mark

Sorry, Mark, I thought that Memphis is south of St. Louis. If you had added, "north of Memphis," I would have remembered the Missouri-Illinois Railroad. The bridge was also used by the MP and the Cotton Belt. I do not recall any other bridge between the two cities.

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Posted by KCSfan on Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:32 PM

Johnny,

You seem to be misreading my messages. Not south of Memphis but down the river south of St. Louis. That would place it between St. Louis and Memphis.

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, March 5, 2009 5:12 PM

Yes, Mark, I was reading too fast. South of Memphis, we have two bridges at Memphis, one at Vicksburg, one at Baton Rouge, and one at New Orleans. The last two are definitely not in the running, so we are left with Vicksburg, with the VS&P using it. Memphis--Kansas City, Fort Scott and Memphis bridge and Iron Mountain bridge (or was it Rock Island?). I guess that the Frisco (KC,FS&M) was first.

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:08 PM

Johnny,

Yes, but the Eads Bridge was at St. Louis. The question referred to the first bridge south of St. Louis. I need to clarify that what I meant was not the first one built but the first one going down river from St. Louis.

Going back to Carl's previous question, I think we can add the North Shore (CNS&M) which IIRC ended at Howard St. in Evanston and ran over the Chicago Rapit Transit (later the CTA) from there to the loop.

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 9:52 PM

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Not to mention the Chicago & New York Electric Air Line. Anyhow here's the next question.

When built, the first rail bridge south of St. Louis across the Mississippi River was owned by what corporation and used by what railroads?

Mark

 

The Eads Bridge was the first bridge at St. Louis. Three of the roads that used it were the Ohio and Mississippi, the Vandalia, and the Chicago & Alton (or whatever its name was at the time). I do not recall the name of its owner.

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 8:53 PM

Not to mention the Chicago & New York Electric Air Line. Anyhow here's the next question.

When built, the first rail bridge south of St. Louis across the Mississippi River was owned by what corporation and used by what railroads?

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 7:57 PM
Mark, I've got to give it to you. I guess I'm adjusting the rules a little as I go along, because those railroads that reached Chicago over the C&WI had an ownership stake in the C&WI (C&EI, CI&L), but the CCC&StL had no such stake in the IC. Others were the Chicago, Cincinnati & Louisville (a C&O predecessor), the Chicago & West Michigan (a Pere Marquette predecessor), the Chicago & Michigan Lake Shore (a C&WM predecessor), and the Kalamazoo, Lake Shore & Chicago (a NYC predecessor).

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 6:15 PM

Mark, you are right on all three counts. Now, is Carl counting track only, or is he allowing operating over the C&WI?

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:43 PM

Carl.

After posting my prior reply I remembered that the Big Four (CCC&StL) only ran to Kankakee and reached Chicago via the IC from there. I also thnk the Monon (CI&L) reached Chicago via another road, possibly the C&WI.

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:25 PM

Carl,

Johnny beat me to the C&IM but I'm sure of one other. the Chicago Heights Terminal Transfer. I also believe the C&EI only went to Dolton and reached Chicago from there via the Chicago & Western Indiana.

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:23 PM

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All righty, then--as long as we're talking "Capitals" and "twos", give me the names of two railroads that had "Chicago" (the railroad capital, of course!) in their name, but never reached the city. I had two railroads in mind when I came up with this, but there definitely are at least two more.

Carl, the only one I can think of offhand is Chicago and Illinois Midland.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 3:15 PM
All righty, then--as long as we're talking "Capitals" and "twos", give me the names of two railroads that had "Chicago" (the railroad capital, of course!) in their name, but never reached the city. I had two railroads in mind when I came up with this, but there definitely are at least two more.

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:02 PM

The Post Road connection didn't get built until after NYC leased the B&A, and in any event, it ended in Rensselaer.  The last couple miles across the bridge to Albany Union Station would have been over NYC, for sure.

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 12:13 PM

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I think the B&A went to Selkirk, NY... Maybe they bypassed Albany by a bit?

The B&A did operate passenger service into Albany; I do not know if it ever had its own track or relied on trackage rights from the beginning. Its trains into Selkirk were operated over the NYC.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 11:05 AM

I think the B&A went to Selkirk, NY... Maybe they bypassed Albany by a bit?

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:34 AM
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CShaveRR, Yes, state caps and the not quite Boston & Albany.  Your turn.

I'm pretty sure they did run all the way into Boston in the 19th Century, but their track ended at not-quite-Albany.  Is that what you meant?

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 7:03 AM

CShaveRR, Yes, state caps and the not quite Boston & Albany.  Your turn.

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 6:52 AM

CShaveRR

Just had a flash...the other railroad is/was the Denver & Salt Lake. We're talking about railroads with state capitals in their corporate name.

That's got to be it.  But, there's also the Boston and Albany, which was separate from the NYC for quite a while...

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:16 AM
wanswheel

Not a locomotive. In fact not even railroad property, except as in a trademark.

I'm halfway there...could you give us another clue as to the other railroad with two? RF&P is yet another railroad that has one, but virtually all of its connections had none.

Just had a flash...the other railroad is/was the Denver & Salt Lake. We're talking about railroads with state capitals in their corporate name.

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:34 AM

Cities in it's corporate name?   That can't be it.  New York, New Haven and Harford is also three and the question said ATSF had more than the NH.  Nickel Plate had four.  Milwaukee Road had 3.

Hmmm.

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:56 AM

So far no cigar, but mentioning Topeka is a step in the right direction.

Al, you're thinking of the Hotel Pennsylvania.

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