Nope. The 1927 Guide would show this train going nearer to Barre than to Wilkes-Barre.
My guess...from memory and looking at a 1927 Guide...would be WIlkes Barre to Buttonwood yard. In 1927 there were several entries.
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What train to/from Washington had trackage rights on the D&H in 1928?
Mike
Bonk!
Carl
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From prior post: "Al - in - chgo--was freon of value in 1893?"
Doubt it. But that's not the only reason I should be flagellating myself. I know that ex-C&O mainline and ex-N&W mainline cross at Kenova, but I know as well that it's a non-communicating cross: the now-NS line "flies over"the now-CSX at Kenova; if what I've read about the lines s true the the NS is basically the beginning of NS' bridge over the Ohio River. Easy transfer is not an issue.
Also, I lived in Norton in the late Seventies. All I knew coming from it was coal and coke, so I didn't think there would be anything special about Norton coal. N&W to L&N -- both termini, giving reason to transfer. Only the Southern ran thru IIRC. So much of that is gone now. - a.s.
wanswheel L&N at Norton?
L&N at Norton?
One Saturday night in my last semester, the House President (a student) came up to my room at midnight with the awful report that a steam pipe had burst in the basement. I went down, and discovered the problem. You do not notice a steam leak in an overhead radiator, but you do notice hot water when it drips on you. I knew immediately what had happened (I had done the same, myself, with another furnace). The boy who then had the responsibility had come back after an off-campus basketball game (he was the scorekeepr), and thought the janitor had not left enough water in the boiler, so he opened the inlet valve. After filling the stoker, he went on to his next furnace. So, I put a pair of pants and my peacoat on, went out and around to the boiler room, closed the inlet valve, and opened an inch-an-a-half valve--which I closed an hour later (there was a lot of water in the steam lines) and then went back to bed. Monday morning, I told the building and grounds superintendent that he owed me an hour, and he laughed at me (we were on excellent terms).
Al - in - chgo--was freon of value in 1893?
So, Mike, you have the opportunity to give us a question.
Johnny
Freon thru Kenova, WV?
CShaveRR To review: the only one of the three eastern railroads that hasn't been eliminated is the N&W. For the western railroad we've eliminated the Southern (not yet formed), NYC (trackage rights), C&O (a competitor), PRR (not previously mentioned--at Columbus), leaving only the B&O at either Portsmouth or Kenova. I can't think of any commodity I would have handled in college that railroads would have come from non-competing directions to obtain. Bracing myself for the bonk on the head I'm sure I'll have to inflict once the answer is revealed...
To review: the only one of the three eastern railroads that hasn't been eliminated is the N&W. For the western railroad we've eliminated the Southern (not yet formed), NYC (trackage rights), C&O (a competitor), PRR (not previously mentioned--at Columbus), leaving only the B&O at either Portsmouth or Kenova. I can't think of any commodity I would have handled in college that railroads would have come from non-competing directions to obtain.
Bracing myself for the bonk on the head I'm sure I'll have to inflict once the answer is revealed...
As to the commodity, I was the only student who handled it regularly during the regular sessions of the college; several of us did handle it in the summer when it was delivered (that was hot work, especially in the room that had a five hundred gallon tank of hot water in it). For almost two years, I went around the campus at night, making sure that enough was in the right places. One commodity that was mentioned was forbidden on campus. I must tell Al - in - Chgo that it would have been nice if I had had a goodly supply of Fort Knox's commodity--I would not have had to work during the summers, but could have toured the country, adding many routes that are now long gone.
I don't think he is talking about money...beer is more likely...towns like Golden, Colorado and Latrobe, PA come to mind...or Iron City someplace....but beer is the commodity, not money I'm sure.
Deggesty Deggesty Both of the roads have been posited in one or another answer. Now, determine which is which, and where they met. The interchange was in a town located in an area which provided a commodity that was, and is, extremely important to everybody in our nation. I handled the commodity quite a bit when I was in college. Johnny
Deggesty Both of the roads have been posited in one or another answer. Now, determine which is which, and where they met.
Both of the roads have been posited in one or another answer. Now, determine which is which, and where they met.
Was it Fort Knox, Kentucky? - a.s.
al-in-chgo Did the first leg involve the OLD Norfolk Southern, that had ceased to exist long before the 1982 NS was formed?? - a.s.
Did the first leg involve the OLD Norfolk Southern, that had ceased to exist long before the 1982 NS was formed?? - a.s.
CShaveRRWell, C&O and N&W were competitors. Sorry, I missed the date, and knew the VGN was later than 1893. How about N&W and B&O (or its predecessor) at Cincinnati?
Ummm, what commodity was moved out of Cincinnati? Soap? Aside from that, the N&W did not acquire the Cincinnati, Portsmouth and Virginia (Cincinnati-Portsmouth) until 1901.
N&W to C&O at Waynesboro?
CShaveRRHow about Deepwater, West Virginia, between the Virginian and the New York Central System.
Sorry, Carl, not even a Between the Acts cigar; you are a bit early with the Virginian (the first date I have for it is 1907; it took Mr. Rogers some time to amass his money, working with John D. Rockefeller, before building his railroad), and the NYC system was not yet in Louisville (trackage rights over the B&O from North Vernon came by 1916). You do have the right junction for the two roads, and the Virginian did go into Norfolk on land. In 1916, the Virginian had through club car service between Roanoke and Huntington, using the C&O west of Deepwater (the C&O train ran between Deepwater and Ashland).
narig01 WAG Souther Ry & Louisville & Nashville Interchange Knoxville, Tn Rgds IGN (I'm pretty sure wrong answer) (P.S. If in 1 chance in a Million I'm right it is going to be a while til I'm back. So please continue without me. Thx IGN)
WAG Souther Ry & Louisville & Nashville Interchange Knoxville, Tn
Rgds IGN
(I'm pretty sure wrong answer)
(P.S. If in 1 chance in a Million I'm right it is going to be a while til I'm back. So please continue without me. Thx IGN)
A good guess, considering what changes (construction, merging, etc.) were made in the twenty-five years or so after the date given.
Deggesty KCSfan Johnny or Ed, if either of you has a new question handy take it away. Mark Ed, if you have one, pose it. If you don't, I put one out. I see that I was not far wrong in supposing the the trains hopped about. Johnny
KCSfan Johnny or Ed, if either of you has a new question handy take it away. Mark
Johnny or Ed, if either of you has a new question handy take it away.
Mark
I see that I was not far wrong in supposing the the trains hopped about.
Name the roads, and name the interchange point.
Handbook of Texas Online
wanswheel HBOTOL: Hopping Bunny of Texas to Louisiana? Hare bouncing off track often late. HE&WT: Hell Either Way Taken
HBOTOL: Hopping Bunny of Texas to Louisiana? Hare bouncing off track often late.
HE&WT: Hell Either Way Taken
Between Ed and Johnny they've got most of the question answered. The Macaroni line started out as the New York Texas & Mexican RR and it was financed by Italian interests and employed mostly immigrant Italian workers it its construction hence the name Macaroni Line. It later became a part of the T&NO (SP) prior to being sold in recent years to the KCS.
The Rabbit Line was originally the Houston East & West Texas, a 3' gauge road running from Houston to the Louisiana state line at the Sabine River. A bridge was completed across the river in the 1890's and the HE&WT merged with the Houston & Shreveport and was later acquired by the T&NO. Early HE&WT trackage was such that its trains jumped the tracks so frequently the locals called them rabbits giving rise to the lines nickname.
SSW9389 What's left to be answered is the railroad or railroads that formerly owned these two lines and how they got their nicknames. I can't figure out the HBOTOL thing and hopefuly Ed will explain it.Mark
What's left to be answered is the railroad or railroads that formerly owned these two lines and how they got their nicknames. I can't figure out the HBOTOL thing and hopefuly Ed will explain it.Mark
You can't tell from railroad maps, but perhaps the Macaroni Line had many sharp curves (elbows). Or it was considered to be a "dandy" (as fops and dandies were called "macaronis" some two hundred years ago). Did the trains on the Rabbit Line hop from place to place?
Has anyone given an answer as to the "Bluff Lines" yet? - a.s.
If I gave away what HBOTOL is anyone could just look it up because the answers are mostly there. I used that resource quite a bit in research for my book.
KCSfan What's left to be answered is the railroad or railroads that formerly owned these two lines and how they got their nicknames. I can't figure out the HBOTOL thing and hopefuly Ed will explain it.Mark
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