Oh! Canada

[Anonymous]

trains + *money = train robbers
trains + *money + train robbers = prisons

*money on train

simple math [:P][;)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CP-CNDR

The big deal with the Kevlar vests is that the feds believe it portrays the guards as being a threat or being on the offensive. They have stated that by wearing the vests the guards are sending the message that they feel the convicts are a threat and are "dangerous". Convicts dangerous? Naaaaaa...

I hear they're thinking of not allowing police to carry handcuffs anymore, bceause when the accused are handcuffed it hurts their self esteem such that they feel they are no longer trust worthy....

Man those criminals 'got it tough. [:P]

[Anonymous]

The big deal with the Kevlar vests is that the feds believe it portrays the guards as being a threat or being on the offensive. They have stated that by wearing the vests the guards are sending the message that they feel the convicts are a threat and are "dangerous". Convicts dangerous? Naaaaaa...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

You do Bring up a good Point about My Girlfriend being home by herslf.

She usually locks the doors When i'm not home, But watch out, if the robber breaks in on that one week a month, he'll be lucky if he Surives.

But seriously,

She locks the doors, Two deadlocks,BUT it's a small town, It's really not likely that anyone breaks in.

But when i'm home, we rarely lock the door, if at all, Movie night, half the building barges in and wathces the video with us. It's not uncommon that the nextdoor neighbor is rumaging through our cubbords looking for the sugar, because he's half a cup short.

If you were up in Canada, you'd understand. Were jsut not the break in/ violent kind of people.

And i personaly don't understand why michael moore, would set out to make Canada look good in his documentary, If he is form the USA?

Hey Kevin,

I live "way out in the country", just outside a small village. Pop. of about 2000 people spread out over 40 sq. miles. AND my house has been broken into twice!! By the same guy, and the second time he "violently" kicked the door off the frame. It can happen anywhere, country or city, Canada or USA. The only time my door is not locked is when I'm walking through it. If we go out, the alarm goes on and the door is locked. Staying home for the evening?, door is locked and intrusion setting is turned on. If nothing else it will slow down the next idiot who trys while I choose one of the 18 or so firearms I own and use it to protect my family.

Both times nobody was home and the break in happened in the middle of the afternoon.

The offender was a 14 year old male who lives just "up the road". He got caught and received 6 months probation and 60 hours of community service.

Anyway man, it can happen anywhere,

Stay Safe

Jeff

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy

When I said that little thing about the guns I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
Looking back it does look a little brash.

The statistics do have me curious though, why are there so many gun fatalities in the US compared to everywhere else in the world?

No offense taken, Mac. But most of the gunplay in the US is directly or indirectly connected to the drug trade...fighting for turf; getting even with some one; or an addict needing cash for his hit. And it's funny, but thirty-odd states have enacted "right to carry" laws, making the criminal's job much more dangerous. The gun fascists told us it would be "Dodge City"; blood in the streets, etc. Did it happen? If that's the way it shook out, they'd be screaming at the top of their hissy-fits. But there's no sound at all. Why's that? Because violent crime and most types of crime went down after these laws were enacted; the reason being that the criminal doesn't know who is armed and who isn't. The criminal doesn't want to work hard, but he also doesn't want to get blown away by some little old lady. The end result is less crime. Now I'm in agreement...let's get back to trains!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dekemd

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

You do Bring up a good Point about My Girlfriend being home by herslf.

She usually locks the doors When i'm not home, But watch out, if the robber breaks in on that one week a month, he'll be lucky if he Surives.

But seriously,

She locks the doors, Two deadlocks,BUT it's a small town, It's really not likely that anyone breaks in.

But when i'm home, we rarely lock the door, if at all, Movie night, half the building barges in and wathces the video with us. It's not uncommon that the nextdoor neighbor is rumaging through our cubbords looking for the sugar, because he's half a cup short.

If you were up in Canada, you'd understand. Were jsut not the break in/ violent kind of people.

And i personaly don't understand why michael moore, would set out to make Canada look good in his documentary, If he is form the USA?

I was afraid I woud offend her or other females with the statement of being home alone. I've seen some women that could take on just about anybody.

I remember the good old days when we didn't lock our doors either. Those days are long gone now. I'm not really sure what caused the downturn in the US. My personal opinion is that it started with the liberal movement. Blame someone's upbringing, the schools, their neighborhood, anything but the person who actually did wrong. Kind of like blaming the railroads for some stupid driver going around the gates. Since personal responsibility went out the window, the younger generations have less and less respect for their elders, authority, other people, their country, and even themselves.

I don't think Moore's intention was to make Canada look good as much as it was to make the US look bad. Check out www.mooreexposed.com to see some of the things Moore has said and done in his past work. I think controversy is what he lives for.

Wishing for the good old days,

Derrick

HEY!

JUST what did you mean "My better half??"

[:D]

Don't worry about it, you can't offend my Girlfriend, try as hard as you want, shes like me: unoffendable.

be that a word or not.

I choose not to own a gun, I doubt anyone else aound this town has one, I understand the good old days of not locking doors are gone, But when you live ina small town, everyone looks out for everyone. Roach exterminators that enter this bulding will msot likely have the police on them within 12 minutes because they looked "suspicious"

But with a population of about 30 million in Canada, we still have the feeling we are ONE big Family/

you know what that means?

GROUP HUG!!

[dekemd]

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy

When I said that little thing about the guns I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
Looking back it does look a little brash.

The statistics do have me curious though, why are there so many gun fatalities in the US compared to everywhere else in the world?

Of course, I sincerely doubt that is a question that anyone can easily answer, and I don't expect anyone to do so.

I also don't look down at the US because of this problem, all countries all around the world including Canada have their own problems that they have to deal with, so don't think I'm sitting here saying Canada is better than the US, because I'm not.

I suppose we can save this stuff for the hundreds of political forums that are out there and stick to the one reason we're all here, TRAINS! [:)]

Gun crime in the US is actually not as bad as other parts of the world. Gun crime, as well as all other forms of violent crime, is much worse in England and Austrailia. Kinda of ironic considering they banned all guns several years ago. Move on to places like South Africa and things get much worse. I read a series of articles written by a South African police officer a while back. He said that it was a rare day on the job that he didn't have to fire his gun in the line of duty.[:0] This is just in the industrialized world. Somolia measures their gun victims by the hundred thousands. So look at it this way. The US could do a lot better, but it could also do a whole lot worse.

Derrick

[Anonymous]

When I said that little thing about the guns I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
Looking back it does look a little brash.

The statistics do have me curious though, why are there so many gun fatalities in the US compared to everywhere else in the world?

Of course, I sincerely doubt that is a question that anyone can easily answer, and I don't expect anyone to do so.

I also don't look down at the US because of this problem, all countries all around the world including Canada have their own problems that they have to deal with, so don't think I'm sitting here saying Canada is better than the US, because I'm not.

I suppose we can save this stuff for the hundreds of political forums that are out there and stick to the one reason we're all here, TRAINS! [:)]

[dekemd]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

You do Bring up a good Point about My Girlfriend being home by herslf.

She usually locks the doors When i'm not home, But watch out, if the robber breaks in on that one week a month, he'll be lucky if he Surives.

But seriously,

She locks the doors, Two deadlocks,BUT it's a small town, It's really not likely that anyone breaks in.

But when i'm home, we rarely lock the door, if at all, Movie night, half the building barges in and wathces the video with us. It's not uncommon that the nextdoor neighbor is rumaging through our cubbords looking for the sugar, because he's half a cup short.

If you were up in Canada, you'd understand. Were jsut not the break in/ violent kind of people.

And i personaly don't understand why michael moore, would set out to make Canada look good in his documentary, If he is form the USA?

I was afraid I woud offend her or other females with the statement of being home alone. I've seen some women that could take on just about anybody.

I remember the good old days when we didn't lock our doors either. Those days are long gone now. I'm not really sure what caused the downturn in the US. My personal opinion is that it started with the liberal movement. Blame someone's upbringing, the schools, their neighborhood, anything but the person who actually did wrong. Kind of like blaming the railroads for some stupid driver going around the gates. Since personal responsibility went out the window, the younger generations have less and less respect for their elders, authority, other people, their country, and even themselves.

I don't think Moore's intention was to make Canada look good as much as it was to make the US look bad. Check out www.mooreexposed.com to see some of the things Moore has said and done in his past work. I think controversy is what he lives for.

Wishing for the good old days,

Derrick

[dharmon]

Kevin,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on a couple of points also.....but between friends here of course.......

Michael Moore is hardly an objective movie maker, and while he does have the right to do it, I choose not to watch it as I find most of it drivel......about as balanced as Tipper Gore teaching sex ed to kids.....

As far as guns go, I own several...I use them to hunt, I use them for sport (target and clays) and I'd use them to defend my family......I have carried personal sidearms in the course of my military duties and fortunately I have had cause to chamber a round only once in the line of duty, but never had to fire one in anger..that would mean a bad day for had gone alot worse.......but there is no such thing as a fair fight outside of a boxing ring or behind the school. You don't shoot to wound, you don't shoot to scare ..you shoot to put the bad guy down. ......be it someone breaking into your home (because intent has to be presumed as worse case) or an enemy combatant. I'm not talking about protecting you car or your surfboard....I'm talking about humans..protecting humans......and if someone breaks in while I'm at home, I have to presume the worst becasue they didn't wait until I was away.

Kind of like Sean Connery in the Untouchables...bringing a knife to a gunfight quote....or the quote about putting one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue......

It a very cold way to look at it I know, but it is the way I see it. The problem with most gun "owners/users" is they have had no training with weapons and therefore no respect for the consequences of use. Folks that carry them for work or protection (Alaska/Canada wilderness) or folks that hunt alot aren't the ones popping each other.

Guns don't kill people anymore than cars do..It takes human interface to achieve that end. Michael Moore's little tirade about guns shows and crap is just that.....How about Child Rearing For Columbine....and address the real issue of raising your children to be responsible and be able to look for warning signs that something's not right with your kid...

[Anonymous]

You do Bring up a good Point about My Girlfriend being home by herslf.

She usually locks the doors When i'm not home, But watch out, if the robber breaks in on that one week a month, he'll be lucky if he Surives.

But seriously,

She locks the doors, Two deadlocks,BUT it's a small town, It's really not likely that anyone breaks in.

But when i'm home, we rarely lock the door, if at all, Movie night, half the building barges in and wathces the video with us. It's not uncommon that the nextdoor neighbor is rumaging through our cubbords looking for the sugar, because he's half a cup short.

If you were up in Canada, you'd understand. Were jsut not the break in/ violent kind of people.

And i personaly don't understand why michael moore, would set out to make Canada look good in his documentary, If he is form the USA?

[dekemd]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy

QUOTE:
Sound like Canada is following her Mother country. It's against the law to own a fire arm in Britain.

Actually Canada has more guns per capita than the US.
Seems we just use them more for sport rather than killing our fellow citizens.

Actually, you couldn't be any closer then the Truth,

Fact: There are A LOT more Guns per Capita in Canada, then ther are in the USA.

Fact: Last year there were 165 Gun Deaths in Canada, and 11, 127 in the USA

And for the record: We own more Guns per capita, if i didn't already say that.

A good movie to verify this fact, would be Michael Moore's Documentry Bowling For Columbine

And to be perfectly Honest, We don't have the right to bear arms, But it's not like i'm terribly terrified. I don't own a gun, and i'll never need to. you need about 12 different permits to own a gun, fi you have a gun in your car, you need a permit to own it, to transport it, and all that jazz, And when it's a nuissance, people just leave them in their house.

It's amazing that people Who own multiple Guns STILL would rather defend themselves without a Gun, Rememebr, It takes nothing to shoot a guy, heck that's pretty whimpy, it takes a lot to knock a guy out flat using your bare hands, that takes Stength and courage, a gun is whimpy and takes the mickey out of a fight.

So, in Canada, if you break into someones house, and they own 1, 2 , or 7 guns, it's most likely that they'll punch you out, then it will be that you will wind up shot.

Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine is anything but fact. Bowling for Columbine is mostly pure fiction. Most of the scenes were staged or edited to show only what Moore wanted the audience to see. It won the Academy Award for best documentary even though it doesn't qualify as a documentary under academy rules. Check out this link for more:
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Kevin is right though. Canada does have more firearms per capita than the US. The US has more if you just look at the total number of firearms.

As for punching someone out, what if you can't? What if your better half is at home by herself? What is the victim is someone in a wheel chair? What if it's four bad guys who break in? The gun can be a great equalizer.

Derrick

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BentnoseWillie

You break into my place and you'll be met halfway up the stairs by a charging angry, naked fat guy swinging a putter.

What could be scarier than that?

Yeah, thats worse then a gun.

SEE! all of these. excellent..uhh...non Violent scare Tactics.

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BentnoseWillie

You break into my place and you'll be met halfway up the stairs by a charging angry, naked fat guy swinging a putter.

What could be scarier than that?

BW... You now owe me $6.59 for the Carls Junior Double Western I was about to chow down on......

[BentnoseWillie]

You break into my place and you'll be met halfway up the stairs by a charging angry, naked fat guy swinging a putter.

What could be scarier than that?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy

QUOTE:
Sound like Canada is following her Mother country. It's against the law to own a fire arm in Britain.

Actually Canada has more guns per capita than the US.
Seems we just use them more for sport rather than killing our fellow citizens.

Actually, you couldn't be any closer then the Truth,

Fact: There are A LOT more Guns per Capita in Canada, then ther are in the USA.

Fact: Last year there were 165 Gun Deaths in Canada, and 11, 127 in the USA

And for the record: We own more Guns per capita, if i didn't already say that.

A good movie to verify this fact, would be Michael Moore's Documentry Bowling For Columbine

And to be perfectly Honest, We don't have the right to bear arms, But it's not like i'm terribly terrified. I don't own a gun, and i'll never need to. you need about 12 different permits to own a gun, fi you have a gun in your car, you need a permit to own it, to transport it, and all that jazz, And when it's a nuissance, people just leave them in their house.

It's amazing that people Who own multiple Guns STILL would rather defend themselves without a Gun, Rememebr, It takes nothing to shoot a guy, heck that's pretty whimpy, it takes a lot to knock a guy out flat using your bare hands, that takes Stength and courage, a gun is whimpy and takes the mickey out of a fight.

So, in Canada, if you break into someones house, and they own 1, 2 , or 7 guns, it's most likely that they'll punch you out, then it will be that you will wind up shot.

[Hugh Jampton]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy

QUOTE:
Sound like Canada is following her Mother country. It's against the law to own a fire arm in Britain.

Actually Canada has more guns per capita than the US.
Seems we just use them more for sport rather than killing our fellow citizens.

Don't give me that treacle, Mac; millions of US citizens own plenty of firearms. The inner city drug thugs do most of the killing. It's not about "sport" in our Constitution when it says we have the "Right to keep and bear arms..." It's about keeping the government from getting out of control, like the British Gov. has done. That stuff came from the nut who shot up a Scottish school; everyone got all weepy and concluded that the gun killed all those people, and if guns were banned, that couldn't happen. When it really was the evil XXX who used it. Now a man can't defend his home or family over there. The only people with guns now are the criminals and the Bobbies [who were unarmed for many generations before now.] There have been many cases here where a citizen with a gun stopped a shooting spree or other violent crime, but the "news" people don't want to dwell on that; it doesn't fit their agenda. [BTW, there are some railroads in those inner city neighborhoods. That's for you, Doggy babe!]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE:
Sound like Canada is following her Mother country. It's against the law to own a fire arm in Britain.

Actually Canada has more guns per capita than the US.
Seems we just use them more for sport rather than killing our fellow citizens.

[Anonymous]

Sound like Canada is following her Mother country. It's against the law to own a fire arm in Britain. It also is against the law to defend yourself. Seems a fellow opened his door to find two thugs with a gun wanting in. He managed to grab a Samarai sword and started swinging. Both gunmen fled with one badly cut about the head. The Gestapo arrested the HOMEOWNER for assault. He was sentenced to EIGHT YEARS! Jumping Jehoshephat! We have cold blooded killers in this country who serve less time in the slammer! Remember that they want to do this here, too! BTW, that low whimper you hear is the do-gooders bemoaning the poor bloodtubs on death row here in Absurdistan-by-the-Bay. [They do have some railroads left here in Absurdistan. That should help me pass Doggy muster! :^Q ]

[Anonymous]

HEY!

That Butter knife Masacre is Nothing to laugh at!

There was almost one person wounded.

So please, respect.

[Anonymous]

I am proud to be Canadian as be a Rail fan..in years past there was the Via
Rail accident where a teenager tampered with the switch.the youth was very
much given the royal silk glove treatment with the Railroad CN Rail accused
of using the wrong type of lock which was used for generations.in the end he
confessed to not only tampering but watching it happen.


Crimes against the rails are
crimes against all..stay alert stay safe.

David Brown

[Anonymous]

I am proud to be Canadian as be a Rail fan..in years past there was the Via
Rail accident where a teenager tampered with the switch.the youth was very
much given the royal silk glove treatment with the Railroad CN Rail accused
of using the wrong type of lock which was used for generations.in the end he
confessed to not only tampering but watching it happen.


Crimes against the rails are
crimes against all..stay alert stay safe.

David Brown

[Grinandbearit]

Hey Jeff, You're right, it is fairly busy. I usually spend a couple of hours in the pm at the VIA station when I can get away. Yesterday there were 4 freights and 4 passengers trains in the 2 hour span.
Kingston Pen is home to some of the worst criminals in Canada. It is max security for creatures like Paul Bernardo who spends all his time in isolation because if he was in the general population of the prison he would be deader than a doornail !!!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Grinandbearit

You think you got problems, here in Kingston, Ontario , we have 7 Federal prisons within the city limits! And to keep in a railway theme , we have only 1 railroad. (CN)

Hey Ron, at least its busy. Double mainline, lots of intermodal, via, etc. My Uncle lives within walking distance of the line and you can hear the horns a blowin' constantly.

Jeff

PS And come on, they don't have any REAL bad people in the Kingston pen, do they? [(-D]

[Mookie]

As usual, I am in a room all by myself, in a building all by myself - laughing. I am so glad no one comes to work early!

[louisnash]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Doggy
[This is Trains not priosns forum

DOGGY

Steve Goodman could write another verse for this thread if we needed to make it right.

The only thing that hasn't been wrote about is momma, trucks, getting drunk,rain.

If we could just include these in the forum we may have it all right then.

I had to throw a little humor in here.

Brian (KY)


[:)] "Now that's funny, I don't care who you are." Larry the Cable Guy [:)]

[dharmon]

I'm still in favor off packing them up and sending them off to a penal colony. Something like Midway or Wake Island in the middle of the Pacific or even Manhattan (Escape from New York) .... Go ahead..try and escape. Twenty years ...if you make, will make you quite happy to abide by the laws of the land.

Oh yeah and there should be a train there....

[Grinandbearit]

You think you got problems, here in Kingston, Ontario , we have 7 Federal prisons within the city limits! And to keep in a railway theme , we have only 1 railroad. (CN)