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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

Okay.....Mr smart guy....

Slow underhand pitch across plate......Wooden wonder (WWII)

and some more just for fun......non WWII

Scooter

Harley

***

Devil's Cross


Hmm...

Scooter...what my nephew rides

Harley...what my bro-in-law has parked in his garage ( he just likes to look at it)

***..some TV show on Cable, *** guy for the striaght eye?

Devil's Cross...Thats a cool Heavy Metal band that plays at the Green Door...

I Give, you got me on these...


Scooter was the A-4 skyhawk....very small and nimble

Harley was the A-7 Corsair II as it was explained to me....becasue after the scooter this seemed like a Harley and it was big hunk of Ameican metal that leaked profusely and required continuous care.

*** is an EA6B because it looks.....*** ........and the squadron designator is VAQ.....Q for electronic warfare....which has no q's in it ........hmmmm.....

Devils Cross is the A10, named by those who have been on the receiving end of it..
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:42 PM
This is specific to a single airplane...

Fat Albert...

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Here is one with a railroad angle.

The Flying Boxcar, ok go for it, any guesses?

Dan you cannot guess. Too much aircraft knowledge for our lowly minds.


See the weather thread for this answer
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Here is one with a railroad angle.

The Flying Boxcar, ok go for it, any guesses?

Dan you cannot guess. Too much aircraft knowledge for our lowly minds.


It was a cargo plane from the 50's, twin boom rudder looked like a P-38 with a wieght problem...cant remember who made it though...

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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

Okay.....Mr smart guy....

Slow underhand pitch across plate......Wooden wonder (WWII)

and some more just for fun......non WWII

Scooter

Harley

***

Devil's Cross


Hmm...

Scooter...what my nephew rides

Harley...what my bro-in-law has parked in his garage ( he just likes to look at it)

***..some TV show on Cable, *** guy for the striaght eye?

Devil's Cross...Thats a cool Heavy Metal band that plays at the Green Door...

I Give, you got me on these...

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:38 PM
Here is one with a railroad angle.

The Flying Boxcar, ok go for it, any guesses?

Dan you cannot guess. Too much aircraft knowledge for our lowly minds.
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:36 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

"The Flying Bedstead"

This is one NO ONE will get...


the bead in "Bedknobs and Broomsticks"

or the first VTOL aircraft experiment


OK I'll give you this one,

The VTOL is right and once again i keep forgetting that the same nickname can apply to more than one aircraft. That VTOL the one that the astronuats trained on and almost killed Niel Armstrong?

the "Flying Bedstead" I was refering to was the Fairley Swordfish.
Britains most common carrier based plane throughout the war. A bi-wing open cockpit wire braced throwback to WWI. It looked like a flying bedstead, so the pilots called it. The Brits never developed a replacement for it prior to the outbreak of war but they soon discovered it had some unique advantages that allowed it to remain usefull right up to VE day. Seems that when the Germans rearmed and rebuilt their navy, they designed evrything around the latest technology. High flying high speed aircraft needed high altitude high speed AA guns to match, just like the Americans were developing. When the war broke out the germans had the most advaced navy in the world. Best example is the breakout and sinking of the Bismark. When the Royal Navy carreir Ark Royal finally caught up with the Bismark, she sent her air wing of old bi-planes to attack. the pilots soon knew they had an advantage. First the Torpedo planes could fly lower, just above the wavetops, than the german guns could angle down to shot at. Dive bombing is where this plane shined. The pilots would throw the plane into a steep dive, 70 degrees or more knowing full well that all the posts, braces, wires, and all would create so much drag that the plane speed would reach a maximum and could easily be controled. the german guns were designed for American fighters, there fire control was too advanced and could not cope with the slow planes, They actually shot past them and hit everything above them but the Swordfishes. The pilot could then almost expertly pick his target drop, then scramble away just over the wavetops.
There was another incident between the Swordfish verses the Luftwaft worth mentioning. during the search in Norway for another German b-ship, the Tirpitz, While searching the inlets for the ship, the British Swordfishes spotted a squadron of Folk Wolfe's , the british fled into the narrow fjords on the deck with the Wolfe's behind them. All of the Swordfishes made it back thru narrow inlet, none of the Wolfe's did...


Ahhh yes, It was a US Navy exchange pilot flying a Brit PBY provided by the US under lend lease that spotted the Prinz Eugen the Bismarck's partner.....The swordfish could actually be credited with the Bismarck's destruction. The one successful torpedo hit jammed one of her rudders (a one in a million shot) causing her speed to be reduced, allowing the Home Fleet to run her down.

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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:28 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

"The Flying Bedstead"

This is one NO ONE will get...


the bead in "Bedknobs and Broomsticks"

or the first VTOL aircraft experiment


OK I'll give you this one,

The VTOL is right and once again i keep forgetting that the same nickname can apply to more than one aircraft. That VTOL the one that the astronuats trained on and almost killed Niel Armstrong?

the "Flying Bedstead" I was refering to was the Fairley Swordfish.
Britains most common carrier based plane throughout the war. A bi-wing open cockpit wire braced throwback to WWI. It looked like a flying bedstead, so the pilots called it. The Brits never developed a replacement for it prior to the outbreak of war but they soon discovered it had some unique advantages that allowed it to remain usefull right up to VE day. Seems that when the Germans rearmed and rebuilt their navy, they designed evrything around the latest technology. High flying high speed aircraft needed high altitude high speed AA guns to match, just like the Americans were developing. When the war broke out the germans had the most advaced navy in the world. Best example is the breakout and sinking of the Bismark. When the Royal Navy carreir Ark Royal finally caught up with the Bismark, she sent her air wing of old bi-planes to attack. the pilots soon knew they had an advantage. First the Torpedo planes could fly lower, just above the wavetops, than the german guns could angle down to shot at. Dive bombing is where this plane shined. The pilots would throw the plane into a steep dive, 70 degrees or more knowing full well that all the posts, braces, wires, and all would create so much drag that the plane speed would reach a maximum and could easily be controled. the german guns were designed for American fighters, there fire control was too advanced and could not cope with the slow planes, They actually shot past them and hit everything above them but the Swordfishes. The pilot could then almost expertly pick his target drop, then scramble away just over the wavetops.
There was another incident between the Swordfish verses the Luftwaft worth mentioning. during the search in Norway for another German b-ship, the Tirpitz, While searching the inlets for the ship, the British Swordfishes spotted a squadron of Folk Wolfe's , the british fled into the narrow fjords on the deck with the Wolfe's behind them. All of the Swordfishes made it back thru narrow inlet, none of the Wolfe's did...

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Wooden wonder...

DeHavelind Mosquito...


you all collect young glasshoppel

pretty airplane too!
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:05 PM
Wooden wonder...

DeHavelind Mosquito...

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:57 PM
Okay.....Mr smart guy....

Slow underhand pitch across plate......Wooden wonder (WWII)

and some more just for fun......non WWII

Scooter

Harley

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Devil's Cross
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

"The Flying Bedstead"

This is one NO ONE will get...


the bead in "Bedknobs and Broomsticks"

or the first VTOL aircraft experiment
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Posted by eolafan on Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:51 PM
LOVE all trains, favorite planes are also F-4 Phantom II as well as B-52 and all earlier SAC bombers, and the SR-71 Blackbird (used to work for the company that made flight simulators for all of these and many more called LINK SIMULATION). Like ships also, especially military, and really like to learn more about Battleships and Cruisers of WWI and WWII. Awesome!
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:36 PM
"The Flying Bedstead"

This is one NO ONE will get...

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

F-104 Starfighter

It had a bad habit of killing fighter jocks who let there attention stray for more than 30 seconds...was much hated by most who flew it...

And your right about the Harrier, it has been called that recently..


See that's the problem with pilots..they keep making airplanes that have more ability than we do........pilots are kind of like golden retrievers........good looking and friendly but expensive to get, very high maintenance, and easliy distracted by bright shiny objects..........[:p]
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:30 PM
F-104 Starfighter

It had a bad habit of killing fighter jocks who let there attention stray for more than 30 seconds...was much hated by most who flew it...

And your right about the Harrier, it has been called that recently..

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:29 PM
Ahhh it just came to me......

the starfighter......the plane that tried to kill Yeager
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Well, YES, the B26 was called the widow maker, but I said NON-WWII,

so theres another plane that earned that reputation...

I thought it was that B-26 crews were trained too hastetly on it and it wasnt a good high altitude bomber. Once pilots got the hang of the B26 and it found its roll it was a very effective ground attack plane, also lasting into Korea and was used by firefighting air crews into the 1960's if I remember correct.


Sorry missed the NOT part......the early versions were fairly unstable and had a high landing speed. The crew were not trained well, and it took Gen Doolittle to save the program. In the end though the lengthened the wings on later models to improve stability but lowered the speed.

I must add allegedly, reportedly, or whatever....I've never flown any of these planes other than on MCFS.........I don't want to be accused of debating something I had no personal experience with [xx(].

Widowmaker ...Widowmaker...........not WWII......well let's see the Beech Bonanza is the Doctor Killer................The Harrier Jump Jet had its moments....I give
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:07 PM
Well, YES, the B26 was called the widow maker, but I said NON-WWII,

so theres another plane that earned that reputation...

I thought it was that B-26 crews were trained too hastetly on it and it wasnt a good high altitude bomber. Once pilots got the hang of the B26 and it found its roll it was a very effective ground attack plane, also lasting into Korea and was used by firefighting air crews into the 1960's if I remember correct.

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

another challenge, not WWII, this ones easy...

The Widow Maker...


Thats easy .........MY WIFE!

But seriously......

You must be talking about the Baltimore Whore........a fast girl with no visible means of support.........more crews killed in accidents than combat.

the B26 Maruader
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

You are...


WRONG!


F4U corsair was called the "Bent Wing ***" by the pilots who flew it.

It was a bear to fly because of the 18 cylinder radial engine produced sooo much torque that when they took off from a carrier at full throttle they had to jam the stick all the way to the left or the plane would try to roll over to the right from the torque.

It was almost as fast as a Mustang, could match the Mustang in a dogfight, far better armored than the P-51 and was severly hated by the Japanese...


It was also reportedly very hard to bring aboard a carrier becasue of the wobbly landing gear and poor visibilty due to the long cowling and tall landing gear required for the large prop. It had poor speed control and poor slow speed charateristics including the torque roll of death.....it was hated by the japanese for its speed, durability and firepower...manueverabilty though ummm not sure on that one....proabably would have to go to the Mustang...with half full tanks....fully loaded it (the mustang) was reportedly a pig and would depart easily in accelerated stalls. I think the best all around naval fighter would have to go the Hellcat.

I will say that though the Corsair for all it's faults (speed and large payload not among them) it outlived most of it's peers....into the Korean War and French Indochina action That big radial air cooled engine really performed in the temp range seen in the far east.
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:30 PM
another challenge, not WWII, this ones easy...

The Widow Maker...

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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:25 PM
You are...


WRONG!


F4U corsair was called the "Bent Wing ***" by the pilots who flew it.

It was a bear to fly because of the 18 cylinder radial engine produced sooo much torque that when they took off from a carrier at full throttle they had to jam the stick all the way to the left or the plane would try to roll over to the right from the torque.

It was almost as fast as a Mustang, could match the Mustang in a dogfight, far better armored than the P-51 and was severly hated by the Japanese...

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:52 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

well you better pick one the girl at the curtian is waiting to show you the prize.


Corsair...no Stuka yeah Stuka

no wait Corsair..fina....

Stuka ...final answer.
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:31 AM
well you better pick one the girl at the curtian is waiting to show you the prize.

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:30 AM
Well chances are if your frame of reference is a Marine or USN type ..it's the Corsair

If your frame of reference is more European, then I'd venture to guess you be talking about the Stuka..arguably the best dive bomber ever but no speed demon...........but then again, the winners write the history. (Second place would be my personal favorite in the dive bomber category.....the lowly SBD Dauntless...the savior of Midway and Coral Sea, slayer of carriers, workhorse of the Solomons and defender of the faith.
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:22 AM
One of those choices, yes, but I aint sayin' which 'till someone gets it right..

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:20 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

QUOTE: [i] I'll cast my vote for the "forked tail devil!" Who knows what aircraft I refer to? Great prizes await the 93 caller to answer correctly!!


OK my turn...

What plane was called "the Bent-Wing ***".


Nominees would include:
1. The highly over-rated F4U Corsair
2. The every popular JU87 Stuka
3. The not so popular or effective Chance Vought Vultee
4. The Lesly Lylander utility bird, famous for taking operatives to Holland

any of these meet your definition
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:06 AM
QUOTE: [i] I'll cast my vote for the "forked tail devil!" Who knows what aircraft I refer to? Great prizes await the 93 caller to answer correctly!!


OK my turn...

What plane was called "the Bent-Wing ***".

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:06 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd

QUOTE: Originally posted by emory

A little story about when the USN took over control of Carswell AFB--us "yuck monkeys" in the USAFRes had to brush up on our recognition of Naval insignia. I was working with a Tech Sgt. with a reputation as a smart a** when a Navy Captain approached. The TSgt. smartly saluted saluted and greeted the Captain with "mornin' Admiral!" The Captain, without missing a beat replied, "good morning, Airman!" As far as WWII aircraft go, I'll cast my vote for the "forked tail devil!" Who knows what aircraft I refer to? Great prizes await the 93 caller to answer correctly!!

You refer to the Lockheed P-38[:D]. Nice 'plane... but I'll vote (in that era) for either the Spitfire (preferably early; the later ones with clipped or extended wings were not as clean) (one of the best airplanes, aerodynamically, ever built), the FW-190, a vastly underrated bird (the winners write the history...), the Japanese Emily flying boat (amazing critter, that one), or... aw heck. There were a bunch of great planes! Forget the vote; just enjoy!


Most under-rated combat aircraft of WWII ...the world famous Brewster Buffalo.......lost some of the most obscure air battles in history.


Oh yeah ..... and I'm sure that the plant that made them was served by the RRs.

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