al-in-chgo wrote: Did these two examples of "encroachment," if that's the word, take place at the same time? If so, how'd you like to tell us in what decade these events took place? - a.s.
Did these two examples of "encroachment," if that's the word, take place at the same time?
If so, how'd you like to tell us in what decade these events took place? - a.s.
Al,
I don't have the dates at my finger tips but I know these operations lasted at least into the 1960's and maybe even until some time in the 70's.
Mark
KCSfan wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: Did these two examples of "encroachment," if that's the word, take place at the same time? If so, how'd you like to tell us in what decade these events took place? - a.s. Al,I don't have the dates at my finger tips but I know these operations lasted at least into the 1960's and maybe even until some time in the 70's.Mark
To be honest, I'm not asking for myself because I lack the knowledge base. But maybe others reading this will be helped. - a.s.
I just looked it up and found I was way off on the dates I posted previously. IC operations in Arkansas ended in 1972 and the MP operations in Mississippi ended in 1982.
Time for another hint. The IC and MP operations in the two states existed for exactly the same reason.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
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CShaveRR wrote:To unload their ferry boats?
Or transload barge/freight car?
Right on Carl. The IC had a small bit of trackage at a car ferry landing in Ark and so did the MOPac in Miss. Now name the locations in the two states and you're the winner.
KCSfan wrote: CShaveRR wrote:To unload their ferry boats?Right on Carl. The IC had a small bit of trackage at a car ferry landing in Ark and so did the MOPac in Miss. Now name the locations in the two states and you're the winner.Mark
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Dude, you are getting just too curlicue'd. You should let Carl research this if he wants. If he gets it closed-book you should appoint him RR Quiz Game Life Master and let him post questions in times of drought. Despite the jocularity I don't impress easily and I am impressed by his vast knowledge. (Carl, hope you too are reading this.) - al
One of the locations should be a no brainer. It was discussed in the answer to a previous question.
al-in-chgo wrote: KCSfan wrote: CShaveRR wrote:To unload their ferry boats? Right on Carl. The IC had a small bit of trackage at a car ferry landing in Ark and so did the MOPac in Miss. Now name the locations in the two states and you're the winner.Mark(new poster's color and emphasis) Dude, you are getting just too curlicue'd. You should let Carl research this if he wants. If he gets it closed-book you should appoint him RR Quiz Game Life Master and let him post questions in times of drought. Despite the jocularity I don't impress easily and I am impressed by his vast knowledge. (Carl, hope you too are reading this.) - al
KCSfan wrote: CShaveRR wrote:To unload their ferry boats? Right on Carl. The IC had a small bit of trackage at a car ferry landing in Ark and so did the MOPac in Miss. Now name the locations in the two states and you're the winner.Mark
...and except for Vicks... I mean, Natchez, I can't do it. I keep thinking about Ste. Genevieve, Missouri, but I think that was MoPac on both sides (technically Missouri-Illinois on one).
That really was a stab in the dark for me--I happened to think about the PM/C&O and GTW's little toeholds in Milwaukee, and thought there might be something similar.
Thanks for the kind words, Al! It's reasurring to know that my mind hasn't taken leave of me just yet. However, I don't think I necessarily fit the qualifications for question-guru.
Of course it was Natchez, MS where the MoPac had a small operation to switch cars on and off the ferry from Vidalia, LA. The other location was Helena, AR where the IC switched the car ferry from Trotters Point, MS until 1972 when the trestle leading to the ferry landing burned and the IC decided to quit the whole operation.
Since you answered 3/4 of the question you're the winner Carl as far as I'm concerned.
OK, thanks--I've got one that should be easy for some people, especially those who live "-in-Chgo"land:
Prince Crossing: this onetime "rail center" has a street named for it, and there used to be a riding stable nearby (Prince Crossing Stables might still be there). It may have been one of the busier crossings in Chicagoland that is now missing all of the railroads that went through it. It's a busy junction point now, but for a different mode of transportation. Simple question: just need the historic names (ca. 1950s) of the railroads that went through there.
CShaveRR wrote: OK, thanks--I've got one that should be easy for some people, especially those who live "-in-Chgo"land:Prince Crossing: this onetime "rail center" has a street named for it, and there used to be a riding stable nearby (Prince Crossing Stables might still be there). It may have been one of the busier crossings in Chicagoland that is now missing all of the railroads that went through it. It's a busy junction point now, but for a different mode of transportation. Simple question: just need the historic names (ca. 1950s) of the railroads that went through there.
Just to clarify: no rail transport at that junction these days, no el's, rapid transit, trains, freights or nuthin'? - al
CShaveRR wrote:That's correct--no trains, no tracks. Also, in this case, "crossing" does not necessarily mean "diamond".
I don't seem to recall "Prince" as the name of a Chicago neighborhood.
So I'll take a WAG -- Harlem and Archer avenues? It has that spacious look.
CShaveRR wrote:Al, you're putting city limits on Chicagoland! Don't do that! Go west (and a bit north), young man!
Maybe it's somewhere out in the old CGW's territory, and/or something interurban. If my guess above is EAST of the correct area, it rules out the old extended Douglas line, which as you probably know now is just alleys beyond Berwyn. That would have been my next guess if not for your hint.
Don't worry. Someone will get it. It just won't be me. - a. s.
Would the CA&E be one of the roads?
CShaveRR wrote:Honestly, you guys--between the two of you...!
Having been on both sides, I can truthfully say that a long waiting period without an answer is just as frustrating for the question-poser as frustrating stabs in the dark are for the contestant.
al-in-chgo wrote: CShaveRR wrote:Honestly, you guys--between the two of you...! Having been on both sides, I can truthfully say that a long waiting period without an answer is just as frustrating for the question-poser as frustrating stabs in the dark are for the contestant.
Al, my comment wasn't really from frustration--think of it as a hint!
Carl,
If your hint means between the two of us we have got the answer then I'll say CGW and CA&E.
KCSfan wrote: Carl, If your hint means between the two of us we have got the answer then I'll say CGW and CA&E.Mark
Looks to me like Mark has got it ! - a. s.
Mark did get it. Congratulations!
Prince Crossing is where CGW and CA&E's Elgin line crosses, by means of a grade separation. The location is now the junction of a pair of bike trails, the Illinois Prairie Path (ex-CA&E) and the Great Western Trail (you figure it out!). Prince Crossing Road runs north and south from the UP main line to Illinois 64; the junction itself isn't too close to the road.
Al-in-Chi,
Ask the next question Al, you haven't had one in a while and I've had more than my share lately. After all you were the one who suggested the CGW.
Mark, you are a gentleman and a scholar!
I had an earlier question in mind but looking at it onsite, realized it was just too silly -- and really too difficult. I deleted it.
This question also concerns the Chicago area.
In Rochelle, what road connects the intersection of Illinois Rte. 51 with the Union Pacific's Global III intermodal facility?
Some hints: The sign at that intersection masquerades as a street sign, something like "Intermodal Facility," but that is not the road's real name. If you come into town on I-88, it's the intersection at the first red light on the town side -- route to Global III to the left, Shell station to the right FWIW.
It is a regular public road, though constructed with federal, state, and UP monies.
It is not "Intermodal Drive," the dedicated name UP uses for its own private road running from the subject road into Global III.
It is named with two natural terms, not people's names, direction names or corporate names.
________________ ______________ Road. Did you notice? Do you remember?
Enjoy! - al
Brush Grove Rd? At least thats what I can guess from looking at ms streets & trips or googe maps.
Rgds ign
narig02 wrote: Brush Grove Rd? At least thats what I can guess from looking at ms streets & trips or googe maps.Rgds ign
Brush Grove Road it is!
Uhh, in this thread we're not supposed to research or go online for an answer. I'm sure we can forgive you this time, because it was a difficult question for most; also you're a relative newbie.
It's customary on this thread for the winner of the latest question to post a question of his own for us.
Looking forward to it!
best
al smalling ("al-in-chgo")
Dakguy201 wrote:I looked this one up on Google Earth and so was not eligible to answer. However, that service shows Brush Grove Road extending diagonally northest to southwest directly across the facility, thus creating a grade crossing for each individual track within the facility. I feel certain that is not ground truth but a problem with the software that highlights streets.
It's probably that, or possibly that there was a road with that name that had to be completely relocated. The point is the road that's there now would not exist without Global III. - a.s.
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