We have a winner Mark.
It never made sense to anyone why it was called Black River Junction as it was the Green River that ran by it.
It was actually the Milwaukee Road that named it but have never found any information as to why it was named Black River Jct. The Green River is pretty muddy at that point so maybe Black River fits it. By the way it was only eight miles from there where the first bodies of the Green River Strangler began showing up.
Al - in - Stockton
how many runnable GG1'S are left in exsistance?
(trick question maybe)
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CopCarSS wrote:I didn't think any of them were runnable. Something about hazardous materials in the transformers or something like that?
The coolant liquid in the Gee's was chock-full of PCB's, which cause cancer. They didn't know that in the 1930s.
If runnability equals TOW-ability, I'd guess at least two: Strasburg, PA and Union, IL. I also saw a G at the NYCentral Museum in Elkhart, Indiana (definitely worth a trip!), but while it wasn't beat-up looking, I think it would need more work than just coupling motive power to it.
you got it right.....Good job
another one
How many D&RGW locomotives made it back from alaska/
Just checking -- Were they standard gauge?
al-in-chgo wrote: Just checking -- Were they standard gauge?
nope they were narrow gauge, K-28's i think
k4driver1361 wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: Just checking -- Were they standard gauge? nope they were narrow gauge, K-28's i think
Nothing comes to my mind, but perhaps the above hint will help others. - a.s.
CShaveRR wrote: It was either single-track or a gantlet bridge--either way, CNW couldn't have put two tracks full of cars on it for any reason in 1993.UP almost immediately widened the piers after they merged with CNW, and later put in the second track.
It was either single-track or a gantlet bridge--either way, CNW couldn't have put two tracks full of cars on it for any reason in 1993.
UP almost immediately widened the piers after they merged with CNW, and later put in the second track.
It was a gantlet bridge, there is a picture of it on page 22 of the April 1986 Trains. The caption states the bridge was replaced since the 1979 photo, so wouldn't the current double track bridge have been put in place during the early 1980s?
passengerfan wrote: It never made sense to anyone why it was called Black River Junction as it was the Green River that ran by it. It was actually the Milwaukee Road that named it but have never found any information as to why it was named Black River Jct. The Green River is pretty muddy at that point so maybe Black River fits it.
It was actually the Milwaukee Road that named it but have never found any information as to why it was named Black River Jct. The Green River is pretty muddy at that point so maybe Black River fits it.
Wouldn't the Pacific Coast Railroad have named the junction? It ran out to Black Diamond.
Concerning the CNW/UP Cedar River bridge, IIRC, it wasn't too long after the derailment in 1979 when they single tracked the gantlet. It's only been double tracked for a few years now.
As for the DRGW K-28 mikados the Army took to Alaska, I'd always heard they were all scrapped. None returned.
Jeff
k4driver1361 wrote:you are right none of the K-28'S that went to alaska made it back...so sad
I have to admit I'm confused. Where does this leave us in terms of answering the specific question?
al
jeffhergert wrote: Concerning the CNW/UP Cedar River bridge, IIRC, it wasn't too long after the derailment in 1979 when they single tracked the gantlet. It's only been double tracked for a few years now.As for the DRGW K-28 mikados the Army took to Alaska, I'd always heard they were all scrapped. None returned.Jeff
Since Jeff answered the last question he should be the one to ask the next one.
Mark
If anyone else has a question, please feel free to take over. I can't think of one at the moment.
jeffhergert wrote: If anyone else has a question, please feel free to take over. I can't think of one at the moment.Jeff
Here's an easy one. This designer designed the shell over the GG-1 that gave it a streamlined, Art Deco sort of look. After the first one was riveted together, he had future models of the G welded together, making it even more streamlined.
OK: In which country was this man born?, --
And what his is name, spelled correctly.
This is a two part question, no partial answers please.
I think it's Raymond Loewy, but I'm not sure about country of origin. I'm guessing Europe, and I would tend to believe western Europe. How about Germany?
Raymond Loewy
germany or the U.K
Raymond Loewy from France.
passengerfan wrote: Raymond Loewy from France.Al - in - Stockton
Yes,indeed, it was Raymond Loewy from France (1896 - 1986).
OT, but did you know he designed the clock radio for Westinghouse in 1930?
Take it away, West Coast Al !
Once again a question relating to my favorite subject Passenger Trains.
In the 1950's the Denver and Rio Grande Western inaugurated two streamliners between Denver and Salt Lake City. Both traveled via different routes for most of there journey and were combined in what city for the balance of there west bound trip? This is a multi part question. Name the two trains? And what made the one that traveled south from Denver unique beginning in 1956? What other train connected with this train in Pueblo? And what was the origin/destination of this name train?
I should have mentioned that eastbound the two trains split at the same city with both proceeeding to Denver by different routes. One of these trains operated with domes the other did not.
passengerfan wrote: I should have mentioned that eastbound the two trains split at the same city with both proceeeding to Denver by different routes. One of these trains operated with domes the other did not. Al - in - Stockton
I have to guess, being not allowed to research, but I'll give Salt Lake City, Utah the place where two routes diverged, they being Western Pacific and D&RGW, with both going EB to Denver, though the terminal city is probably somewhere else. If this question involves narrow-gauge (IF), I'd say D&RGW.
Sorry to take so long. JEOPARDY here is on TV from 3:30 - 4:00 p.m.! a.s.
One would have been the Prospector which ran via the Moffat Tunnel Route. The other must have run via the Royal Gorge Route which was the Rio Grande's only other line between the two cities. The two lines joined at Dotsero for the rest of the way west to SLC. I thought the Royal Gorge was the only passenger train that ran via the line of the same name but to the best of my knowledge it was not stremlined so I'm stumped as to the second trains name.
Al,
I overlooked some parts of your question. I'm guessing that what made train "X" unique was that it became an RDC run in 1956. The D&RGW connected at Pueblo with the MoPac, Burlington (C&S) and Santa Fe. To the best of my knowledge there were only two name trains that ran to/thru Pueblo on these roads, the Colorado Eagle and the Texas Zephyr, so I'd guess one of these was the connection you ask about.
I'm going to throw out another train name that I have in the far reaches of my memory, IIRC it was the Yampa Valley Express or something like that. I'm not sure of its route and if it even was a Rio Grande Grande train but I'll throw the name out as possibly figuring in the answer to your question.
Al You missed.
Mark The Prospector was correct, the Royal Gorge was streamlined at the same time as the postwar Prospector using equipment meant for the C&O. You also got the part correct about the MP Colorado Eagle. You still need two parts of the puzzle. What major event transpired with the Royal Gorge in 1956 and in what city did the Prospector and Royal Gorge become one train on there western journey to Salt Lake City and eastbound from Salt Lake City they became two separate trains. The event that took place with the Royal Gorge in 1956 happened both eastbound and westbound.
passengerfan wrote: Al You missed. Mark The Prospector was correct, the Royal Gorge was streamlined at the same time as the postwar Prospector using equipment meant for the C&O. You also got the part correct about the MP Colorado Eagle. You still need two parts of the puzzle. What major event transpired with the Royal Gorge in 1956 and in what city did the Prospector and Royal Gorge become one train on there western journey to Salt Lake City and eastbound from Salt Lake City they became two separate trains. The event that took place with the Royal Gorge in 1956 happened both eastbound and westbound.Al - in - Stockton WAG's, both of 'em, but here goes: 1) Place: Grand Junction, CO 2) Event: Conversion (or addition) of crucial D&RGW track from narrow gauge to standard. a.s.
WAG's, both of 'em, but here goes:
1) Place: Grand Junction, CO
2) Event: Conversion (or addition) of crucial D&RGW track from narrow gauge to standard.
a.s.
Al You gat the Grand Junction part correct but the conversion from narrow gauge to standard gauge isn't even close.
One thing transpired with both the east and west bound Royal Gorge in 1956 that will always be remembered by passenger train historians. (hint)It involved another railroads passenger train and happened on a daily basis until the Royal Gorge was discontinued.
passengerfan wrote: Al You gat the Grand Junction part correct but the conversion from narrow gauge to standard gauge isn't even close. One thing transpired with both the east and west bound Royal Gorge in 1956 that will always be remembered by passenger train historians. (hint)It involved another railroads passenger train and happened on a daily basis until the Royal Gorge was discontinued.Al - in - Stockton
Did it have to do with the train's running over a suspension bridge??
Sorry Al still no cigar.
***, I misread the question. Thought it asked were the two routes joined which was at Dotsero as I stated not where the two trains were combined which I knew was at Grand Jct. I'm still pondering over what changed in 1956 and can only think it had something to do with the scenery of the Royal Gorge area itself. Did they possibly add an open air or some other kind of observation car to the consist?
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