Railroad History Quiz Game (Come on in and play)

[CShaveRR]

Mark,

Were they NYC 4-6-4s on the James Whitcomb Riley?

[passengerfan]

Here's the next question and it's passenger related but maybe one that may make even Al-in-Stockton ponder on for a bit.

Only two streamlined steam locomotives ever ran regularly on the Illinois Central. One was fully streamlined and the other semi-streamlined. What were their wheel arrangements and what trains did they head?

Mark

Mark I am going to guess the NYC Mercury using 4-6-2 streamlined Pacifics initially and the James Whitcomb Riley using streamlined 4-6-4 streamlined Hudson.

Al - in - Stockton 

[Anonymous]

Only a limited number of railroads Portland - Seattle. So I took a shot in the dark.

having fun as always.

Rgds IGN

IGN

Inspite of its name the Spokane Portland and Seattle did not serve Seattle as the two roads that owned the SP&S the Great Northern and Northern Pacific both served Portland from Seattle. The GN transcontinental trains Portland sections were forwarded to Portland from Spokane by the SP&S and the NP transcontinental trains Portland sections were forwarded from Pasco to Portland by the SP&S.

Al - in - Stockton

Like I said a shot in the dark. I think the end of the barrel was pointed down.

Getting shot in the foot is supposed to hurt.

Thx & Rgds IGN

[KCSfan]

Carl was the first to name the JWRiley as one of the trains which ran behind streamlined steam over 54 miles of ICRR trackage between Kankakee and Central Station from the time it was inagurated until early in WW2. However both he and later Al-in-Stockton identified the engine as a 4-6-4 when it was actually No. 4917 a Big Four (NYC) K-5b 4-6-2.

Al metioned the Mercury which I am embarassed to say I completely forgot about when I originally asked the question. This Michigan Central (NYC) train did, for a time, in fact run behind streamlined steam over the IC for the final 13 miles from 115th St to Central Station.

2 down and one to go. No one has yet mentioned the train headed by a semi-streamlined steam locomotive. Hint: It was an IC train and engine.

Al-in-Chicago, I owe you an apology. I thought your question about the price of the insulator had been answered or I wouldn't have jumped in with this current question.

Mark

 

 

 

[CShaveRR]

You guys go on without me--I'll be in the Land Where the Trains Have Disappeared for a day or two (a train called the Mercury used to go up that way, sort of).

[J. Edgar]

WAG    the Land 'O Corn?

[KCSfan]

WAG    the Land 'O Corn?

Sorry but no the train in question didn't run on the Iowa Div. For that matter it didn't run on the Illinois Div or on the Chicago - New Orleans main line either.

Mark 

[al-in-chgo]

WAG    the Land 'O Corn?

Sorry but no the train in question didn't run on the Iowa Div. For that matter it didn't run on the Illinois Div or on the Chicago - New Orleans main line either.

Mark 

(my colorization).  Just to nail this down:  not even Kankakee to Chicago? 

 

[KCSfan]

WAG    the Land 'O Corn

Sorry but no the train in question didn't run on the Iowa Div. For that matter it didn't run on the Illinois Div or on the Chicago - New Orleans main line either.

Mark 

(my colorization).  Just to nail this down:  not even Kankakee to Chicago? 

Al,

The Big Four's JW Riley which was previously identified by Carl and your namesake in Stockton did run over the IC between Kankakee and Chicago behind a streamlined NYC Pacific for a few years. The as yet unidentified train that was headed by a semi-streamlined steam locomotive ran on the IC's Kentucky Division.

Mark

[KCSfan]

The lack of recent replies tells me you guys may be stumped so I'll post the rest of the answer. When the IC inagurated the City of New Orleans they also ran a train from Louisville which connected with the CofNO at Fulton, KY. At the time there were no diesel servicing facilites on the Fulton-Louisville line so the IC semi-streamlined Pacific No. 1146 in their Paducah shops to head this connecting train.

For those interested pictures of both IC No.1146 and NYC No. 4917 (the JW Riley engine) can be viewed online at George Elwood's Fallen Flag Photos site.

I think Carl is out of town and off line for a while so I'll declare Al-in-Stockton the winner since he mentioned not only the JWR but also the Mercury which I had overlooked.

Mark

[passengerfan]

Sorry Mark,

Its Al in Stockton and am leaving on a Railfan Vacation this AM for two weeks. So will not be participating until I get back.

Am going to try the new camera and lenses at Cajon, Tehachapi, LAUPT, Coast Line, and Surf Line.

Al - in - Stockton 

[al-in-chgo]

Sorry Mark,

Its Al in Stockton and am leaving on a Railfan Vacation this AM for two weeks. So will not be participating until I get back.

Am going to try the new camera and lenses at Cajon, Tehachapi, LAUPT, Coast Line, and Surf Line.

Al - in - Stockton 

Let me toss in a question just to keep the wheels turning: 

- What was the M10000?

- What indvidual designed it?

- What company fabricated it? 

- What company operated it? 

- What was its more commonly used name?  - and -

- Why is it considered the second of its kind?  - a.s. 

 

[oltmannd]

Mostly total WAGs..... 

1. A streamlined, articulatedgasoline powered train with a gazillion rivets.

2. Helen Keller

3. ACF?

4. Union Pacific

5. The flying caterpillar

6. The first one wreck, caught fire and sunk into swamp before delivery.

 

[Railway Man]

I really did just FOFLMAO.  Thanks for the laugh on an otherwise awful day.

[al-in-chgo]

I really did just FOFLMAO.  Thanks for the laugh on an otherwise awful day.

Great fun!  But on one of the questions you're right . . .  did'ja know that?  - al 

[oltmannd]

I really did just FOFLMAO.  Thanks for the laugh on an otherwise awful day.

Great fun!  But on one of the questions you're right . . .  did'ja know that?  - al 

Yeah, number 4 is right.  But the rest were more fun.

[al-in-chgo]

I really did just FOFLMAO.  Thanks for the laugh on an otherwise awful day.

Great fun!  But on one of the questions you're right . . .  did'ja know that?  - al 

Yeah, number 4 is right.  But the rest were more fun.

And you were partly right on question no. 1.

 

[Anonymous]

6. They were scrapped?  there was one built before

[J. Daddy]

Sorry Mark,

Its Al in Stockton and am leaving on a Railfan Vacation this AM for two weeks. So will not be participating until I get back.

Am going to try the new camera and lenses at Cajon, Tehachapi, LAUPT, Coast Line, and Surf Line.

Al - in - Stockton 

Let me toss in a question just to keep the wheels turning: 

- What was the M10000?

- What indvidual designed it?

- What company fabricated it? 

- What company operated it? 

- What was its more commonly used name?  - and -

- Why is it considered the second of its kind?  - a.s. 

 

Oh boy this is a toughy....

1) Nicked named little 'Zippy' it was one of the first 4 car Articulate 'strainset' stream lined trains of its day. Powered by a 600hp Winton gas motor, it had 4 cars orginally released but one was removed and sent to the M10001 City of Portland, I think the sleeping car.

2) Hmmm Art Deco styling Raymond Loewy or Otto Kuhler....

3) Pullman Standard

4) The Union Pacific

5) the littly Zippy or the 'City of Salina'

6) Second of its kind? Argh because it beat the Burlington Zephyr 9900 by 6 weeks? Or because it was developed off of the Mckeen gas motor car?

[railroadnut675]

FEC?

Nate

CSX, though FEC was once the mightiest.

[al-in-chgo]

Sorry Mark,

Its Al in Stockton and am leaving on a Railfan Vacation this AM for two weeks. So will not be participating until I get back.

Am going to try the new camera and lenses at Cajon, Tehachapi, LAUPT, Coast Line, and Surf Line.

Al - in - Stockton 

Let me toss in a question just to keep the wheels turning: 

- What was the M10000?

- What indvidual designed it?

- What company fabricated it? 

- What company operated it? 

- What was its more commonly used name?  - and -

- Why is it considered the second of its kind?  - a.s. 

 

Oh boy this is a toughy....

1) Nicked named little 'Zippy' it was one of the first 4 car Articulate 'strainset' stream lined trains of its day. Powered by a 600hp Winton gas motor, it had 4 cars orginally released but one was removed and sent to the M10001 City of Portland, I think the sleeping car.

2) Hmmm Art Deco styling Raymond Loewy or Otto Kuhler....

3) Pullman Standard

4) The Union Pacific

5) the littly Zippy or the 'City of Salina'

6) Second of its kind? Argh because it beat the Burlington Zephyr 9900 by 6 weeks? Or because it was developed off of the Mckeen gas motor car?

re:  1)  Also nicknamed the "flying banana" for its use of UP Armour Yellow according to uprr.com

      2)  Nobody has gotten that right yet.

      3)   Wrong  [small hint:  if you get no. 2 right, no.3  will follow logically]. 

      4)  Yep.

       5)  Accounts vary as to whether the M10000 was named that from the git-go,

            but we do know it was called City of Salina in revenue service in 1936.  Right.

 

[Stevo3751]

1.The first American streamlined passenger train

2.Averell Harriman?

3.Pullman Standard?

4.Union Pacific

5."Little Zip"?

6.The Flying Hamburger was built before it

[al-in-chgo]

1.The first American streamlined passenger train

2.Averell Harriman?

3.Pullman Standard?

4.Union Pacific

5."Little Zip"?

6.The Flying Hamburger was built before it

2)  Averell Harriman was president of the UP; I don't know if it was during the 1930s but it makes sense.  However, I don't mean the man who HAD it designed.  I mean the (big hint):  American who headed up the design team at (no. 3 answer, also the company that fabricated the M10000. 

 

[jeffhergert]

What a coincidence.  Al have you been reading Model Railroader's August 2008 product reviews?

Jeff

PS, it doesn't give all the answers to Al's questions.  I also think they may disagree with one of the answers.  

[al-in-chgo]

What a coincidence.  Al have you been reading Model Railroader's August 2008 product reviews?

Jeff

PS, it doesn't give all the answers to Al's questions.  I also think they may disagree with one of the answers.  

Okay, here are the answers based on my research, most of it thru uprr dot com/history:

Let me toss in a question just to keep the wheels turning: 

- What was the M10000?   Streamliner (designed trainset) that entered service in 1934.

- What indvidual designed it?   Harley Earl, head of a team at General Motors.

- What company fabricated it?  General Motors

- What company operated it?  UP

- What was its more commonly used name?   City of Salina (reports differ:  one said it was called that from the start; another said the name was applied in 1936 when the train entered revenue service on a fixed schedule) - and -

- Why is it considered the second of its kind?   It is and it isn't.  Most historians refer to the Pioneer Zephyr as the first of its time, but actually the M10000 ran first - a.s. 

So where do MR and I fall apart? 

 

 

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[jeffhergert]

MR says delivered to the UP by Pullman Standard.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. 

Jeff 

[al-in-chgo]

MR says delivered to the UP by Pullman Standard.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. 

Jeff 

Probably.  The surprise to me in all this was that it wasn't an internationally-known designer like Raymond Loewy, but a man who would go on to achieve fame as a car designer. 

Next question?  I don't know who "won" this one; it was more a matter of different people chipping in. 

Whoever's out there now, if you've got a question, now's the time to pose it!  - a.s.

 

 

[J. Daddy]

What was the final answers? Did I get no. 6 right refering to the Mckeen gas car?

[al-in-chgo]

What was the final answers? Did I get no. 6 right refering to the Mckeen gas car?

I'll have to give you credit for your own answer to no. 6, but I was thinking along the lines of the M10000's usually being considered the second designed streamliner to run in the USA, although it actually ran first. 

Another answer to no. 6 that correctly speaks to the "second" theme put the M10000 just after Germany's "Flying Hamburger" which I believe also is correct. 

What I'm curious about is this:  what's the big whoop about Salina, KS?  Pretty small city, isn't it? 

SOOOooo, it's time to pose another question.  Anyone??   

 

[oltmannd]

What was the final answers? Did I get no. 6 right refering to the Mckeen gas car?

I'll have to give you credit for your own answer to no. 6, but I was thinking along the lines of the M10000's usually being considered the second designed streamliner to run in the USA, although it actually ran first. 

Another answer to no. 6 that correctly speaks to the "second" theme put the M10000 just after Germany's "Flying Hamburger" which I believe also is correct. 

What I'm curious about is this:  what's the big whoop about Salina, KS?  Pretty small city, isn't it? 

SOOOooo, it's time to pose another question.  Anyone??   

 

How about Salinas California?

A quicky.  The LIRR has a decent sized fleet of unique short commuter coaches know for their lousy ride.  Some of them are still around in tourist line service.  What nick name did they go by?

Hint:  Think of an apropros 2008 Olympic sport.