Railroad History Quiz Game (Come on in and play)

[J. Edgar]

Sorry, all of you--the North Western Station did have a couple of other railroads originating and terminating trains at it.  During 1969 through Amtrak Day in 1971, C&O and B&O trains into Chicago used the North Western station, after Grand Central was closed.

.....knowledge accepted....but....i specified 1947 has my question year...Amtrak day is a lil after 1947....i think..

[al-in-chgo]

you are correct on C&NW Station...hehehe trick part

Central station...IC yes and..?

Dearborn Station...ATSF yes and ?....(PRR is a no)

Grand Central....B&O yes....NYC no

LaSalle st.....CRI&P yes.....and?

Union Station...Correct....MILW and CB&Q...as well as the Alton and the PRR

(I.C. Electric) I agree with nanaimo -- "Randolph Street" was coin of the realm, at least before Metra.  Since that's where it is, it may still stick today. 

(I.C. steam line) Central Station - not a clue except for Big Four conveyance listed below.  Certain NYC for example. 

OK, I got the "trick" portion right on CNW

Dearborn:  ATSF and Pere Marquette?  Not sure because wasn't 1947 the year Chessie bought the Pere Marquette??

Grand Central:  B&O and C&O (not the same company; they didn't amalgamate 'til 1963)

La Salle:  CRI&P and Monon??

Union Station:  I was OK.  MILW, CB&Q (also PRR). 

 

[CShaveRR]

Sorry, all of you--the North Western Station did have a couple of other railroads originating and terminating trains at it.  During 1969 through Amtrak Day in 1971, C&O and B&O trains into Chicago used the North Western station, after Grand Central was closed.

[J. Edgar]

I.C. Electric - IC and CSS&SB electric commuter.  Still true today except IC is "Metra-Electric."

But Illinois Central had its own Central Station for intercity "steam" (later diesel) line.  It is long gone, covered with condos.  Roughly 22nd Street South and Michigan Blvd. (or Ave.)

Well done, Al!
I believe the first IC station you mention is called Randolph Street.
IC's Central Station also hosted NYC's Big Four trains running south through Kankakee. Amtrak used it for the Riley and the South Wind.

And of course Union Station, all Milwaukee Road service,  all CB&Q, others.

WAsn't Union Station used mostly by the PRR?

Union Station had 2 sets of platforms....north and south sort of 2 stub terminals back to back...MILW used the North and the Q and the PRR used the South...Alton also showed up on the south platforms

 and correct on the Big Four at Central station...the Michigan Central (Trains off the NYC Michigan lines after 1914) also used this at the time in question (1947)

 so thats IC station and Union Station

[nanaimo73]

I.C. Electric - IC and CSS&SB electric commuter.  Still true today except IC is "Metra-Electric."

But Illinois Central had its own Central Station for intercity "steam" (later diesel) line.  It is long gone, covered with condos.  Roughly 22nd Street South and Michigan Blvd. (or Ave.)

Well done, Al!
I believe the first IC station you mention is called Randolph Street.
IC's Central Station also hosted NYC's Big Four trains running south through Kankakee. Amtrak used it for the Riley and the South Wind.

And of course Union Station, all Milwaukee Road service,  all CB&Q, others.

Wasn't Union Station used mostly by the PRR?

[J. Edgar]

you are correct on C&NW Station...hehehe trick part

Central station...IC yes and..?

Dearborn Station...ATSF yes and ?....(PRR is a no)

Grand Central....B&O yes....NYC no

LaSalle st.....CRI&P yes.....and?

Union Station...Correct....MILW and CB&Q...as well as the Alton and the PRR

[al-in-chgo]

1947....six major Stations in Chicago...name all 6 and at least 2 RR per station

Trick question?  The CNW Terminal, now only a trainshed under a skyscraper, never originated other then CNW trains -- commuter and passenger -- that I know of.  But it was, pre 1955, the terminus for some UP "City of" type trains that were CNW's West (Elmhurst/Proviso) on to Omaha where UP took over IIRC.  IOW in 1947, CNW-UP routing for City of Los Angeles from  Chgo to L.A. (duh)--1947 being pre-1955. 

I.C. Electric - IC and CSS&SB electric commuter.  Still true today except IC is "Metra-Electric."

But Illinois Central had its own Central Station for intercity "steam" (later diesel) line.  It is long gone, covered with condos.  Roughly 22nd Street South and Michigan Blvd. (or Ave.)

I don't know anything about LaSalle other than CRI&P, sure there must have been others. The station itself wasn't torn down until the mid-1980s.  There's a trading board about where the station used to be, tracks and a very thin exposed trainshed are all that's left for Metra commuters, who use both exx-CRI&P lines to Joliet.  One line stops local in the Beverley neighborhood of extreme southside Chicago, the other is a type of express track bypassing Beverley, the lines join each other shortly sout of there.  Was GM&O once there too??

Dearborn Station - ATSF and others (PRR?)  Service long gone with Amtrak (5/71) but building still stands and is used for "arty" events like book fairs. 

"Grand" Central Station - NYC and others, also B&O(?)  I'm not even sure where it was but it is long gone too. 

And of course Union Station, all Milwaukee Road service,  all CB&Q, others.  Still there, but huge neoclassical waiting room is sadly underused while commuters and other than Amtrak first-class passengers have to put up with long walks and/or "gerbil tubes" to get underground, sit, stand or wait.

Ignorant by Chicago standards am I -- but perhaps more hits than misses?   

 

 

[J. Edgar]

Dale has the answer I was lookin for, the Wheeling and Lake Erie.

 However J. Edgar has a good point Timken did have a locomotive build to there specs, but I thought this locomotive was a demonstrator.

I don't know what railroad or railroads #1111 went to, but I assumed that it went to the W&LE. After reading fallen flag in Classic Trains (spring 2003), which is how I posed this question

....after the answer was given i did some checking....in 1932 the "Four Aces" as it was known....was demostrating on the NP and had crownsheet failure....Timken didnt want a broken Loco and NP didnt want to fix a loco that wasnt theirs....so Timken sold the engine to NP who repaired it and finally retired it in 1955 it was NP #2626

[J. Edgar]

1947....six major Stations in Chicago...name all 6 and at least 2 RR per station

[nanaimo73]

Alright.

J. Edgar, would you happen to have a question for us?

[Ster1]

Dale has the answer I was lookin for, the Wheeling and Lake Erie.

 However J. Edgar has a good point Timken did have a locomotive build to there specs, but I thought this locomotive was a demonstrator.

I don't know what railroad or railroads #1111 went to, but I assumed that it went to the W&LE. After reading fallen flag in Classic Trains (spring 2003), which is how I posed this question

[J. Edgar]

 IIRC the first steam locomotive with roller bearings on the axles was Timken #1111... A Northern built by Alco to Timkens specs in 1930  that i believe went to the NP....the Wheeling & Lake Erie was the first to apply Roller bearings to a freight car in 1923

[nanaimo73]

Wheeling and Lake Erie?

[passengerfan]

Possibly PanAm that's definitely a resurrected name from a fallen flag.

Al - in - Stockton

[snagletooth]

Nope sorry none of those were it.

I'll give ya'll a hint.

this railroad was a fallen flag but now it isn't.

Hmm..and I was gonna say Northern Pacific, unless someone ressurected the name and I haven't about heard it.....aahhh.... Norfolk Southern?

[Ster1]

Nope sorry none of those were it.

I'll give ya'll a hint.

this railroad was a fallen flag but now it isn't.

[al-in-chgo]

PRR?

Wabash? 

Duluth, Missabe? 

Detroit, Toledo and Ironton?

Grand Trunk?

Toledo, Peoria and Western? 

 

[KCSfan]

Sorry Mark your right I should be more specific, roller bearings on axle wheels?

OK, now I'm torn between two railroads, the Santa Fe and the Milwaukee Road. If forced to name a single one I'll say the Milwaukee.

Mark

[Ster1]

Sorry Mark your right I should be more specific, roller bearings on axle wheels?

[KCSfan]

I should have added that I assume you are referring to roller bearings on rod/crank pin connections and not on wheel axels. If you are not making a distinction between the two I might want to change my prior answer.

Mark

[KCSfan]

Was it the N&W?

Mark

[Ster1]

Nope not New York Central keep trying.

[al-in-chgo]

Al you have it half right. Timken is the manufactur but the B&O was not the railroad.

keep trying.

  .  .  . 

Timken was the manufacturer?  Really?  Lucky guess on my part. 

And the customer????   New York Central??????

 

[Ster1]

Al you have it half right. Timken is the manufactur but the B&O was not the railroad.

keep trying.

I'm a Night Owl, and the best part of being up at night you see things in a whole new prospective. I would go into more detail but I don't want to bore everyone.

[KCSfan]

Al-in-Stockton,

I'd like to publicly compliment you on the detailed knowledge you possess and share with us all. I've learned a lot from the information, corrections, clarifications and amplifications that you post on this and other threads. I'm just a 76 year old geezer whose knowledge is based mostly on personal observations and my many train trips during the 1940's, 50's and 60's supplemented by the limited amount of reference material which I have at my disposal.

I've had a lifelong interest in railroads and learned a good bit about their operations when I worked for the Illinois Central as a steam locomotive fireman for two years beginning in 1950 during a break in my pursuit of a college degree in Mechanical Engineering. But much of my knowledge is dated and, unlike many of the younger participants in these forums, my ability to spot a diesel and tell its model ended with the GP-38 era. 

I truly look forward to your messages and always learn something new from each and every one of them. I'm confident many others feel as I do and greatly appreciate the information you share with us.

Mark    

[al-in-chgo]

Thanks Mark

I have a 2 part question here.

What railroad was the first to employ steel rollerbearing on  there steam locomotives and what was the company that made the bearings?

What I'm lookin for is the RR and Company name.

You DO know that the WAG'sters come out late at night, don't you? 

Here's a WAG:  B&O, Timken. 

 

[Ster1]

Thanks Mark

I have a 2 part question here.

What railroad was the first to employ steel rollerbearing on  there steam locomotives and what was the company that made the bearings?

What I'm lookin for is the RR and Company name.

[passengerfan]

I meant to say no problem with Ster1 being the winner.

Al - in - Stockton

[passengerfan]

Mark

I have no problem with Mark being declared the winner.

Al - in - Stockton

[KCSfan]

Perhaps I'm splitting hairs on this one but what I had in mind with this question was a Pullman tourist sleeper in the traditional sense. The consist of the Olympian Hiawatha as listed in the June 1954 OG includes "Touralux Sleeping Cars 14 Sections (A-15)" westbound and "(A-16)" eastbound. The consist of the Columbian is shown in the same issue of the OG as including "Tourist Sleeping Cars 14 Sections (K-17)" westbound and "(K-18)" eastbound. The underline emphasis was added by me to show the distinction in the equipment of the two trains as shown in the OG and why I was of the opinion that the Columbian carried a traditional tourist sleeper of the kind I had in mind. Passengerfan is absolutely correct in stating that the Olympian Hiawatha carried a Touralux Sleeper(s) right up to the trains discontinuance. 

Passengerfan, if it's OK with you I'll still declare Ster1 the winner based on the distinction above, and since he identified the train I had in mind (rightly or wrongly) and also since this will be his first opportunity to participate and ask a question.

Al-in-Chicago, If you'll go back a few replies and read my rather feeble attempt to describe a Pullman tourist sleeper you may get a better idea as to what these cars were like.

Mark