EMD and GE - Why so much anti GE feeling on the list? Light the blue touchpaper and retire

[Mookie]

darn - gotta go home, but can't wait to see the answer on this one!

Mook

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: [i]
Actually, aside from the name and number of wheels the SD40 and SD40-2 have very little in common. The -2 is larger, more powerful, and more likely to be cited as an example of EMD locomotives!!!!

Since when is 3000 Horsepower more powerful than 3000 Horsepower???????

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainjunky29

Dear dharmon,
I'm glad you enjoyed the Pumpkin train.

Sincerely,
Daniel

This chair is as hard as a rock.... oops sorry, didn't realize i was ON AIR.

Okay can someone please explain the Pumpkin train?

I have a lot of images floating through my head, one involves cinderella.

[daveklepper]

Maybe the March issue proves lots of operating people like the newest GE's? Dave

[Anonymous]

One thing I like about the steam loco is, it will run on anything that will boil water, wood,
coal, oil, uranium, or whatever. The SP's 4449 & SP&S 700 are oil burners and according to the 4449's engineeer it is as easy to operate as a diesil/electric loco.
And a person I read about on his own website fulfilled his dream of operating a
steam loco. It was the SP&S 700 4 8 4 northen type loco running on the MRL and he
seamed to enjoy every moment of it. personally I am glad he got to fullfill his dream,
been meaning to write to him but haven't yet. You may know him, he is an engineer
out of Sherridon Wyoming on the BNSF, Witch to me is still just the good ol' Burlington
Northern becaus it's first name is Burlington Northern and Santa Fe is just along for
the ride. The deep roots grow out of the Northern Pacific and the Great Northern,
hence the GN orange and NP green. (long live memories of the 2 8 8 4 Yellowstones
and 4 8 4 Northens. The NP envented both and a 4 8 4 by any other name is still a
NORTHERN.

[Anonymous]

Dear dharmon,
I'm glad you enjoyed the Pumpkin train.

Sincerely,
Daniel

[wabash1]

the sd40 and sd40-2 the dash2 is bigger? more powerful? all i can tell you is in tonnage ratings they are both the same, they dont rate it any more than a regular sd40. bigger in size? ive never measured one, In using one you cant tell the differance in units. All sd40s are the same to most who use them. noisy but a good engine. very few problems very dependable. and to a railroader you never here us report them as a sd40-2 when ask what we have its always a sd40 only.

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainjunky29

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainjunky29
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Saw an EMD E8, UP 2-8-2, Pacific Electric Red Cars, and a 2-6-2 undergoing boiler work today. Whoever can tell me what museum I went to today wins a prize!

Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris?

Dear dharmon,
Congratulations! you win the prize! What's the prize? You are one step closer to learining my full name (I think there are more than one Daniel's that are members of OERM). By the way, are you a member?

Man, you know your railway museums a bit too well,
Daniel

No I'm not a member and to tell the truth, it's only one of a couple that I''ve been to. But it was in Oct that I went there last, for the pumpkin train. Had a great time.

[Anonymous]

I don't see why these railfans and railroaders are so Anti-GE.

It seems no matter what EMD does, like now improving their products and dominating the export market, GM as seem to want to unload EMD. While GE has never never even hinted at selling the Erie plant.

You guys seem to have more faith than EMD'd corporate parent.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainjunky29
[br
Saw an EMD E8, UP 2-8-2, Pacific Electric Red Cars, and a 2-6-2 undergoing boiler work today. Whoever can tell me what museum I went to today wins a prize!

Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris?

Dear dharmon,
Congratulations! you win the prize! What's the prize? You are one step closer to learining my full name (I think there are more than one Daniel's that are members of OERM). By the way, are you a member?

Man, you know your railway museums a bit too well,
Daniel

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainjunky29
[br
Saw an EMD E8, UP 2-8-2, Pacific Electric Red Cars, and a 2-6-2 undergoing boiler work today. Whoever can tell me what museum I went to today wins a prize!

Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris?

[Anonymous]

MAN! You saw an E8??

I hope you got a picture, CP rail only ever had 3, of which none ever showed up in Montreal..

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Look, If I may interjecy about Ge's and EMD's

Each compnay is their own, They build their own Products, and they believe they are the best, in the 50's the GM slogan Or EMd, excuse me was.. "Good Trains follow GM locomotives."

Perhaps tyhe point I am trying to make is that the fact that is has 6 Axels, a horn, and lights. Seems picture perfect to me doesn't it?

Oh and good news, pictures usually don't capture sound.. So the admirers of your picture won't be dumb-struck by the pitch of a GE.

Dear Kevin,
They won't be dumbstruck by the sound. They'll be dumbstruck by how horrible the picture is! (Except for the one that's going to win the Railfan and Railroad photo contest any day now).

Dear wabash1,
Actually, aside from the name and number of wheels the SD40 and SD40-2 have very little in common. The -2 is larger, more powerful, and more likely to be cited as an example of EMD locomotives!!!!

Saw an EMD E8, UP 2-8-2, Pacific Electric Red Cars, and a 2-6-2 undergoing boiler work today. Whoever can tell me what museum I went to today wins a prize!

See you around the forum,
Daniel

[espeefoamer]

Even the best builder can turn out a turkey once in a while .A good example of this is the SD 50.EMD got complaints about this unit, so they came up with the SD60.The rest is history.[:)] ...Hmmm,It has 6 axles,horns and a light...IT MUST BE A PA!![:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

[AlcoRS11Nut]

Get any ALCO's over there?

[wabash1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Doggy

GE IS WORTHLESS BECAUSE LOOK AT THE SD40-2 THEY'ED LASTED 30 YEARS COMPARDE TO THE C30-7 WHICH LASTED ABOUT 20

If i remeber correctly the sd40-2 is a tweeked version of the sd40. we have both sd40 and sd40-2. now i can give my opinion of the c30-7 but there is no need. they are no longer around and thank god for this. but you cant judge a company by one bad engine. back in 1970 the auto manufactor had a race to see who could build a small econo car the ford line came out with pinto and of course the gm version was the chevy version was the vega followed by pontiac sunbird even dodge had one. ( what ever it was) now the pinto was pretty good til you got hit from the rear. and the vega was a fun toy but rusted like crazy. yet nobody holds this agains the manufactures and these cars are not made anylonger either. except for the sunbird and it is now called the sunfire. (seems pontiac got it right ) why all this GE builds good locos ( sometimes) and emd builds good locos each has its place . neither would be in buisness if it didnt try to meet the demands of its customers. I am guilty of bashing ge on a regular basis but my reason for not likeing them is for reasons that most people love them or think the service they should be in. the dash 8 and 9s are great in slow drag flood dump and load coal service could not beat them or would i want anything else if working this type service. but in fast freight give me emd. Now back to the topic on c30-7s i found that one of these engines in your consist would give great light shows. a 4ft flame out the stack can get the dispatchers phone ringing by well meaning conserned citizens telling him the engine is on fire. and to convice the dispatcher that the engine was not on fire was another feet. the conversation went something like this ns dispatcher to train abc over.... train abc over.... i have a report that you have a engine on fire over .... not true its just flame out of the stack over... well they say it is need you to check it out over... dispatcher there is no need to i can see that it is not on fire over..... i need you to stop and check it out now over.. ok we will stop and look at the lead engine we are on to make sure it is not on fire over..... your lead engine over..... yes this is the engine throwing the flames over ... never mind then dispatcher out.

[Anonymous]

Look, If I may interjecy about Ge's and EMD's

Each compnay is their own, They build their own Products, and they believe they are the best, in the 50's the GM slogan Or EMd, excuse me was.. "Good Trains follow GM locomotives."

Perhaps tyhe point I am trying to make is that the fact that is has 6 Axels, a horn, and lights. Seems picture perfect to me doesn't it?

Oh and good news, pictures usually don't capture sound.. So the admirers of your picture won't be dumb-struck by the pitch of a GE.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Doggy

GE IS WORTHLESS BECAUSE LOOK AT THE SD40-2 THEY'ED LASTED 30 YEARS COMPARDE TO THE C30-7 WHICH LASTED ABOUT 20

Dear Doggy,
I don't want to start bashing people, but please don't judge a company on one product a long time ago. You wouldn't judge humanity based on one person, now would you? I admit, the C30-7 was pretty much a doosy, but I agree with antbro: let's give respect where respect is due. I like GE's and Alco's, but EMD makes nice products too (especially those E-units...it puts a smile on my face to just think about them[:)]). And so did Baldwin (although their passenger diesels didn't do very well), F-M, Lima (and B-L-H), Cooke, Davenport, Porter, Vulcan, Rogers, MLW, and everyone else (including DWB--Daniel's Work Bench[:)]). Now, I admit that being a railfan I am somewhat biased--GE's DASH-9's and such look better in my photos, but that's not the only reason I like them. I have cited numerous quotes from more learned authorities than me, and I can tell BaltACD that DASH-9's sound pretty nice to me under load on Tehachapi Loop (or Marias Pass for that matter). And let us not forget one other, very important thing--companies' products evolve (and hopefully improve) over time, so what GE (or EMD) made 30 years ago is probably much different than what they make today.

You all know what I'm going to say about steam, so I'll skip the size six letters and Lime Green color this time.

Most respectfully yours,
Daniel

[Anonymous]

GE IS WORTHLESS BECAUSE LOOK AT THE SD40-2 THEY'ED LASTED 30 YEARS COMPARDE TO THE C30-7 WHICH LASTED ABOUT 20

[BaltACD]

GE's under load just sound BAD.

I can't explain it,GE's just aren't pleasing to the ear, at least not my ears.

[Anonymous]

I have nothing against GE locomotives . we must remember that GE was not always GE . from what i understand GE came from a list of loco builders. was it not ALCO LOCOMOTIVE WORKS . was it apart of FAIRBANKS MORSE LOCOMOTIVE WORKS . if not then my mistake.. but i do know that GE's are good engines. and at one point they ran some of our best trains. just like AMTRAK . yes EMD IS A VERY GOOD LOCOMOTIVE. BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GIVE RESPECT WERE RESPECT IS DO...

[kenneo]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1



kenno dont leave the disscusions here on engines.. this is why i made my statement . a bit wordy but the main thing is not to argue with opinion but state the facts. and i was thinking i did this with the b30-7 to emds gp38.

Please don't misunderstand. Statement of opinion, proving of our point and educating each other are all valid here. Whether done softly, or as The Mook said, vigorously. All of that is OK and actually an important part of these forums.

Take a look at the first few messages in this thread. I speak only for myself, but it reminds me of Missouri, and I absolutely do not want to go there again. What hurts worse, well it hurts me, anyway, is that these folks that are bashing each other are each one a valuable member of our group. My life is richer because of them and this absolutely includes you and Kevin. I'm sure that yours is also. You can say the same thing two different ways. One will make people angry, the other way will make them happy.

I am not going to leave the Forums. But my time is limited and I really don't have any extra time to wade through messages filled with anger or the "I'm going to have the last word even if I have to beat you bloody to get it" messages. One of the things we are here to do is to have fun with each other such as teasing MC about detouring around Lincoln to avoid beeing "Food-dujour-ala-Mook". Let's work hard to keep it that way. And teaching each other while we, in turn, are being taught.

Now, off my [soapbox] and putting a sock in it.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

And T-Rex was too in his time……

AND So was king LOUIS XIV back in his time, too!

he invented all those Gosh darn vanity mirrors!

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

I want my Maypo. Anyone out there old enough to remember THAT commercial[?]

Sure.

[espeefoamer]

I want my Maypo. Anyone out there old enough to remember THAT commercial[?]

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

you peeked....

Ahem....what I meant to say was.....it is a name for a bland cereal for infants..everybody knows that. Yeah that's what I said.

[Mookie]

you peeked....

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by rrandb

i am sorry i must have accidentlly logged on to english bashing.com i thought this was EMD VS GE.

English language or England?

No one is bashing anyone else. They are having a "vigorous" conversation. Some just converse louder than others. At least it isn't - dare I say - Pablum - would anyone know what that is - ?

Mook

Pablum (Pab'loom) noun. The sound rotten fruit makes upon impact when dropped from a tall structure.



It also says it is a name for a bland cereal for infants.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rrandb

i am sorry i must have accidentlly logged on to english bashing.com i thought this was EMD VS GE.

English language or England?

No one is bashing anyone else. They are having a "vigorous" conversation. Some just converse louder than others. At least it isn't - dare I say - Pablum - would anyone know what that is - ?

Mook

[rrandb]

i am sorry i must have accidentlly logged on to english bashing.com i thought this was EMD VS GE.