Does anyone know what happended to Rickey Gates of Conrailwho caused the big Wreck in Chase, Marylan

[Anonymous]

I thought Operation Red Block was the place you called when you had a problem? I didn't know it was for alochal problems HUH?

[edblysard]

Operation Red Block is for both the booze and other substance abuse.
Its one of the ways we, the T&E employees, can get help for our co-workers.
But it is a one time shot, show up wasted again, and if your caught, your history.
Getting back to work froma rule G violation is the single hardest thing to do.

Like csxengineer said, if the TM or other officer gets you first, its over.
Ed

[Anonymous]

As Ricky and others have alluded to abuse is prevalent in all colors of collar. I work in the transportation industry, more specifically the automotive repair end and abuse is rampant. The difference between a 3500 lb vehicle and a 10,000 or more ton train is huge but the end result can be the same. The automotive industry isn't regulated nearly as strict as the RR, problems are usually taken care of 'in house'. You rarely read about the customer that died or caused fatalities due to a mechanics level of toxicology. If you did, it was probably one- maybe two people and didn't affect a major industry. A train accident on the other hand will make news regardless of fatalities because the stakes are so much higher. The amount of abuse I see in my industry is alarming- if it were happening to the same degree in the RR I think there would be many more accidents. Point is, as was said, it is very widespread.

[Anonymous]

IF you break Rule G are you fired for good?

[csxengineer98]

its hard to get back to work when you brake rule G.... but its not imposable... a fellow co worker of mine was nailed by a TM one night when he reported for duty... he had a few beers some hours befor reporting for duty..and thought he was ok to work...but the TM smelled booze on him..and called in a tester.... make a long story short... he was out of service for 30 days.... (its 9 months for an engineer, or a conductor that holds a card to opporate RCLs).....and has to go to AA meetings..and has random testing done all the time... now if he gets nailed agin...he is done... you get 1 sorta freebee...your not fired for good...you are given a chance to clean up your act... but if you should fail at that..or refuse to talk to a substance abuse consuler...your rail road job is gone...
the same thing apply for drug abuse too.... but if you pee a bad test...you are only subject to 30 days off pluse rehab...and that goes for engineers and trainman...
funny A....an engineer gets 9 months off for drinking..but if we toke up... and get nailed...only 30 days...ahahah..
csx engineer

[Rick Gates]

If an Engineer uses any of these things prior to reporting for duty or while on duty, he/she may get "Nailed" in a coffin and may be doing the same for others. Being fired or getting time off is a reprieve and a chance to get help. Seriously.

[csxengineer98]

run the same risk if not more by geting into your car and driving to work..
csx engineer

[Anonymous]

i'd say more...

[Anonymous]

Has their been anymore major accidents caused by alochal?

DOGGY

[Anonymous]

FINALLY THIS CONVERTSY IS OVER SO CAN WE MOVE ON?

DOGGY

[kenneo]

Doggy, this topic in all of its various forms will never beover until substance abuse and substance use while subject to duty occur. Sorry, but that is the way it is for now.

However, with this thread you have done something for us all that I think we may not realize. Your "idle" curiosity has introduced us to Rick Gates, the real Rick of today. It's not just "the guy who", but who he really is now. Look back at his posts in this thread.

At 8 pages, perhaps we should start another thread in a month or two.

Thank you, again, Doggy, for the thread. And thank you, Rick, for speaking up.

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo

Doggy, this topic in all of its various forms will never beover until substance abuse and substance use while subject to duty occur. Sorry, but that is the way it is for now.

However, with this thread you have done something for us all that I think we may not realize. Your "idle" curiosity has introduced us to Rick Gates, the real Rick of today. It's not just "the guy who", but who he really is now. Look back at his posts in this thread.

At 8 pages, perhaps we should start another thread in a month or two.

Thank you, again, Doggy, for the thread. And thank you, Rick, for speaking up.

Nicely done, sir.

[kenneo]

Mr. H, You're welcome.

[Anonymous]

kenno I agree we need start a new one in a month and thanks kenno for thanking me and Thanks Mr. Gates for speaking up about this hard subject

DOGGY

[rrnut282]

While I worked in the airline industry, I know of only a couple of instances where I felt endangered by the off-duty actions of others. It slays me, that while subject to random drug tests, that they would partake. They are willing to risk it all, and for what?

[Rick Gates]

Alcoholism/Addiction are diseases that make no sense to anyone including the person with the disease. There are all kinds of descriptions and variations of this disease, so one example or definition does not serve well. It has been described as an alleregy, like one to strawberries. Except, instead of breaking out in hives we break out in a drunk, broken relationships, squad cars, and the like. This example does not take into account that our thinking is altered when not drinking or in between drunks. We can stop for periods of time to get "the heat off of us" or prove to ourselves that we can stop anytime we wish. Can't have a problem if you can do that right. Why anyone gets cancer or heart disease makes no sense either though we are more than willing to point out risky behavior that may lead to it. Alcoholism/Addiction carries a moral stigma as well and, breeds mistrust on both sides of the problem. If you take "Exlax," will willpower be all you need to keep away from the bathroom? The problem has been around at least a mellenium and a half and will continue to be. What will you do if you know or work with someone with a drinking or drug problem? You know what you might do if they became ill on the job, right? For now I can only quote from the movie "Forrest Gump." "That's all I got to say about that" for now. Please, if you will, say some prayers for the families of UP engineer, Anthony Rodella and conductor, Jeffrey Bohler. God bless you all!

[Anonymous]

Mr. Gates you bring up a good point alochalism and addiciton are diseases

DOGGY

GO KENTUCKY

[Anonymous]

Do you suppose that Casey Jones who crashed into a freight train in Mississippi was using alochal before it happened?

DOGGY

GO KENTUCKY

[Anonymous]

Hunter S. Thompson wrote that the whole thing could have been avoided if the RR's involved had listened to employee complaints about that trackage beforehand. There are those who felt a disaster at that junction was bound to happen no matter who was at the contraols. Should one ever be riding one's train high on whatever? No, Never. Did the freight crew get railroaded on that terrible day? They very well may have been.

[Anonymous]

Rick when i read your post i almost fell out of my chair. I will always remeber you and the accident even though i wasn't born yet. I fell so sorry for you. I at first i dind't think you were the real deal untill i read this thread.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Conrail Guy

Rick when i read your post i almost fell out of my chair. I will always remeber you and the accident even though i wasn't born yet. I fell so sorry for you. I at first i dind't think you were the real deal untill i read this thread.

Rick when I read your post I almost fainted I wasan't born yet but my dad still remembers it I felt sorry for you for the accident all the bad press you got and all the critizim you got from CSX on this forum

DOGGY

GO DUKE

[csxengineer98]

doggy
i wish you would quit appolgizing for me...i have my own voice..and if i wi***o applogize i would....but i dont feel i need or should have to becouse of my views... and i dont need you or anyone else in this post to do that for me... rick knows how i feel... you all know how i feel..and to have you or someone else applogize for me makes it like im incapable of of speaking for myself...so in short.....dont do it anymore....
csx engineer

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

doggy
i wish you would quit appolgizing for me...i have my own voice..and if i wi***o applogize i would....but i dont feel i need or should have to becouse of my views... and i dont need you or anyone else in this post to do that for me... rick knows how i feel... you all know how i feel..and to have you or someone else applogize for me makes it like im incapable of of speaking for myself...so in short.....dont do it anymore....
csx engineer

CSX
Maybe if you would of never said bad things about this man I wouldn't have to apolize for you I was meaning that I felt sorry for him putting up with this rat business he had to live thru many long years in jail also he had to live thru grief then you reopened bad memories with this RAT and S word BIZ also your acting like a big UNION RAT about this whole accident and with this brotherhood thing he didn't rat you guys out MANGEMENT let the Union's Collaspe and then rated them out your making a big deal about this brotherhood thing RIGHT? SO LETS ALL MOVE ON BEFORE WE START A CIVIL WAR

DOGGY

GO DUKE

[dharmon]

This ought to be on the humor thread....two guys..... one who wasn't even born when the incident occurred in 87?...making him something less than 18.... arguing with another that became a CSX engineer in 98....so probably not working in a crew capacity for a RR at the time of the accident......... about something that neither experienced or were personally affected by.....

If you want it to go away Doggy, then stop bringing it back to the top. You can't cry foul if you keep tossing fuel on the fire.

[Rick Gates]

You guys should kiss and make up now. Or whatever happens when a Doggy meets up with a Hoghead. Just kidding. Let's let it rest for now guys. Check out the MSN thread........[bow]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rick Gates

You guys should kiss and make up now. Or whatever happens when a Doggy meets up with a Hoghead. Just kidding. Let's let it rest for now guys. Check out the MSN thread........[bow]

Rick that was a good one and could you tell me the adress of the MSN thread them I will check it out

DOGGY

[Anonymous]

OH... I like Civil Wars...

What happens if i start chanting Jerry Jerry Jerry

Ok All joking aside..

Eric (kenneo) Brings up the best point, This topic has brough to the surface not only a Promblem issue that effects Trains, it' Effects every aspect of humanl life, And to the creator of this thread, Be it you Doggy, I salute you, Don't wish it dead, never wish a good thing dead...

[csxengineer98]

dharm..
you know nothing about me other then the fact that i became an engineer for csx in 98...you know nothing about my past..age or if i have servied on any other railroads befor csx...so...befor you go on about thinking your all knowing... just shut up befor you make yourself look more a fool then you already do....
and doggy... you got alot of nerver to talk...your the one that posted this topic in the first place... that dosnt leave alot of room for you to be makeing comments about bringing up bad feelings... and as for my feelings..thats how i feel... he is a rat in my mind..and will aways be one..not matter how much time he serived..or how sorry he is...
SO STOP APPLOGIZING FOR ME!!!! IF I WANTED TO APPLOGIZE..I WOULD DO IT MYSELF..I DONT NEED A MIDDLEMAN!!!!!!
A VERY P.O.ED
CSX ENGINEER!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

dharm..
you know nothing about me other then the fact that i became an engineer for csx in 98...you know nothing about my past..age or if i have servied on any other railroads befor csx...so...befor you go on about thinking your all knowing... just shut up befor you make yourself look more a fool then you already do....
and doggy... you got alot of nerver to talk...your the one that posted this topic in the first place... that dosnt leave alot of room for you to be makeing comments about bringing up bad feelings... and as for my feelings..thats how i feel... he is a rat in my mind..and will aways be one..not matter how much time he serived..or how sorry he is...
SO STOP APPLOGIZING FOR ME!!!! IF I WANTED TO APPLOGIZE..I WOULD DO IT MYSELF..I DONT NEED A MIDDLEMAN!!!!!!
A VERY P.O.ED
CSX ENGINEER!!!!!!!!!!!1

I am abasulity DISGUCED IN YOU CSX with what you said so rudly about dharmon he's a prfectly nice guy and YOU acting like as I said earlier YOU ARE A BIG UNION RAT who actes like it was funny what dharmon said I liked it was funny alos what Rick said was funny and Kevin bets put never wish for good things to die and I hope this thread never dies when people get tired they get tired and NOW BACK TO YOU CSX your treating Mr. Gates like STEVE BARTMAN who cost the cubs the World Series also another thought I was apolgizing not to you but to Mr. Gates for all the Grief he went thru from YOU CSX[}:)][}:)][}:)] I AM NOT YOUR MIDDLE MAN NEXT TIME CAPLTIZE YOUR I's It's a common courdsey
A VERY DISGUCED
DOGGY

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

OH... I like Civil Wars...

What happens if i start chanting Jerry Jerry Jerry

Ok All joking aside..

Eric (kenneo) Brings up the best point, This topic has brough to the surface not only a Promblem issue that effects Trains, it' Effects every aspect of humanl life, And to the creator of this thread, Be it you Doggy, I salute you, Don't wish it dead, never wish a good thing dead...

I HOPE THIS THERAD NEVER DIES I WAS BAD TO WISH IT DEAD I WAS MAD AT CSX FOR WHAT HE SAID SO I WISHED IT END BUT NOW I DON'T LETS LET IT GO ON FOR EVER AND ANOTHER THOUGHT I WOULD CHANTING CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX ALSO WHAT DHARMON SAID WAS FUNNY

DOGGY