Does anyone know what happended to Rickey Gates of Conrailwho caused the big Wreck in Chase, Marylan

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by toyomantrains

Holy crap guys, (doggy, csx98), the intending origin of this post was innocent and revealed quite a bit including the unexpected responses from the man himself. You two are making it an almost entertainment-like thread based on your responses alone. Personal opinions aside- do either of you have some sort of 'spell-check' (an F-key,perhaps?) and do you have to shout so much? (caps key). Was wondering... just hoping someone else would say it first. Sorry if I (caps) offended either of you.

toyotrainman
Thank You for Telling me you didn't offend me I don't know if their is spell check. This was innocent thread and we learned a lot about Mr. Gates from just this forum I'd like to thank Mr. Gates for writing in and telling us a lot things about this accident I'm sorrry if you felt bad about wiriting in This should be an entrtanement thread.

DOGGY
GO DUKE

[Mookie]

wait - I want to get another bag of chips and a pop - this is getting good!

[Anonymous]

I think csx is a little out of line calling mr. gates a rat. If mr. gates pointed his finger directly at a specific individual and squeeled, that would be ratting on someone. But he didn't do that. He simply stated the truth about what was generaly going on. What would you do in his shoes? Would you just shut the ---- up and take the rap? I don't think so. Now don't get me wrong I have no use for rats, and I know what a rat is, but in my OPINION mr. Gates didn't rat on anyone.
In my OPINION mr. Gates is more of a man than some individuals on this forum will ever be. I think he did the right thing for someone in his position at the time, and more importantly he "lived and learned" from his mistakes, and is man enough to join in on this forum and discuss the issue. Not only that but he is most noble in his efforts to help others avoid the mistakes he made (and I don't just mean the wreck).

[Anonymous]

Holy crap guys, (doggy, csx98), the intending origin of this post was innocent and revealed quite a bit including the unexpected responses from the man himself. You two are making it an almost entertainment-like thread based on your responses alone. Personal opinions aside- do either of you have some sort of 'spell-check' (an F-key,perhaps?) and do you have to shout so much? (caps key). Was wondering... just hoping someone else would say it first. Sorry if I (caps) offended either of you.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

dharm...
your comments are not hurting me in the least... i was stateing the befor you shoot your mouth off on a personal attack..you should get some ammo befor you start to shoot...the only thing you have on me is that fact that i became an engineer in 98..nothing else...the rest of your statment is just withfull thinking on your part...
as for my comments about ricky gates... i have my evidence... thier for my oppion is well founded for my viewpoint...only a fool will try and wish something into being ...fool...
and puppy...
try thinking befor you type... your responces makes very little sence....
csx engineer

CSX,
I'm DOGGY NOT PUPPY. I think before I type but I will admitt some of my responses make very little sence but It's plain and simple YOUR TREATING Mr. Gates LIKE STEVE BARTMAN THE GUY WHO GOT THE FOUL BALL IN THE CUBS GAME also YOUR SPELLING MAKES LITTLE SENCE also I HOPE A CSX EXCUTIVE IS READING THIS SO YOU CAN GET NAILED FOR WHAT YOU SAID about wanting dharmon to get ammo which was disgraceful and UTTERY PATHIOETIC and your making a big deal abut this brotherhood thing that you say Rick rated the union out he didn't Mangement did with stripping the unions of their power and what rick said you haven't presented any evedince here It's only your oppinoin we'd all like some evedince

DOGGY
GO DUKE

[Rick Gates]

Now I'm curious. What evidence? You haven't presented any conclusive evidence here. Only your opinion and hearsay, though I can respect that. I believe also that you are young based not only on your tag, but the way you write and tender an argument.(Speaking to csxengineer98) Some guy named Jesus once said , in a situation involving the punishment of another..."He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone." You seem to be the guy that throws them to cover his own sins. You still haven't given any facts to prove anyone wrong concerning your youth or experience either.....All talk and no show? I admit that when I see your posts here, I feel I'm am looking at a mirror of myself in my past. I hope you may have the opportunity to grow beyond your bigotry. I do not however, wish upon you the trials and tribulations I have endured. Stay safe and alert and keep your passion. Try reading the golden rule again.

[Rick Gates]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

dharm...
your comments are not hurting me in the least... i was stateing the befor you shoot your mouth off on a personal attack..you should get some ammo befor you start to shoot...the only thing you have on me is that fact that i became an engineer in 98..nothing else...the rest of your statment is just withfull thinking on your part...
as for my comments about ricky gates... i have my evidence... thier for my oppion is well founded for my viewpoint...only a fool will try and wish something into being ...fool...
and puppy...
try thinking befor you type... your responces makes very little sence....
csx engineer

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98
[br
and puppy...
try thinking befor you type... your responces makes very little sence....
csx engineer

That my friend, would be the pot calling the kettle black.....

I'm not gonna spar with you anymore hoss, I'm getting muddy and you're not worth it.

I wish you peace brother, I think you need it more than I do.

[edblysard]

Now Dan,
That was a waste of perfectly good sarcasm on the stunningly obtuse.
Ed[banghead]

[csxengineer98]

dharm...
your comments are not hurting me in the least... i was stateing the befor you shoot your mouth off on a personal attack..you should get some ammo befor you start to shoot...the only thing you have on me is that fact that i became an engineer in 98..nothing else...the rest of your statment is just withfull thinking on your part...
as for my comments about ricky gates... i have my evidence... thier for my oppion is well founded for my viewpoint...only a fool will try and wish something into being ...fool...
and puppy...
try thinking befor you type... your responces makes very little sence....
csx engineer

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

dharm..
you know nothing about me other then the fact that i became an engineer for csx in 98...you know nothing about my past..age or if i have servied on any other railroads befor csx...so...befor you go on about thinking your all knowing... just shut up befor you make yourself look more a fool then you already do....

So it's okay for you to have an opinion about Mr. Gates, but not so easy being the target.......

"i have the right to my oppion...you dont like what i have to say....then dont read my postings..simple as that...
the last time i looked the 1st ammendment was still in in the Constitution....but i guess it only applys anymore in here to the status quo... " - csxengineer98

Who's the fool now, fool? Try the words you eloquently wrote with a little ketchup..might make them easier to swallow.

Looking stupid in your eyes is not one of the worries that keeps me awake at night.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

OH... I like Civil Wars...

What happens if i start chanting Jerry Jerry Jerry

Ok All joking aside..

Eric (kenneo) Brings up the best point, This topic has brough to the surface not only a Promblem issue that effects Trains, it' Effects every aspect of humanl life, And to the creator of this thread, Be it you Doggy, I salute you, Don't wish it dead, never wish a good thing dead...

I HOPE THIS THERAD NEVER DIES I WAS BAD TO WISH IT DEAD I WAS MAD AT CSX FOR WHAT HE SAID SO I WISHED IT END BUT NOW I DON'T LETS LET IT GO ON FOR EVER AND ANOTHER THOUGHT I WOULD CHANTING CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX CSX ALSO WHAT DHARMON SAID WAS FUNNY

DOGGY

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

dharm..
you know nothing about me other then the fact that i became an engineer for csx in 98...you know nothing about my past..age or if i have servied on any other railroads befor csx...so...befor you go on about thinking your all knowing... just shut up befor you make yourself look more a fool then you already do....
and doggy... you got alot of nerver to talk...your the one that posted this topic in the first place... that dosnt leave alot of room for you to be makeing comments about bringing up bad feelings... and as for my feelings..thats how i feel... he is a rat in my mind..and will aways be one..not matter how much time he serived..or how sorry he is...
SO STOP APPLOGIZING FOR ME!!!! IF I WANTED TO APPLOGIZE..I WOULD DO IT MYSELF..I DONT NEED A MIDDLEMAN!!!!!!
A VERY P.O.ED
CSX ENGINEER!!!!!!!!!!!1

I am abasulity DISGUCED IN YOU CSX with what you said so rudly about dharmon he's a prfectly nice guy and YOU acting like as I said earlier YOU ARE A BIG UNION RAT who actes like it was funny what dharmon said I liked it was funny alos what Rick said was funny and Kevin bets put never wish for good things to die and I hope this thread never dies when people get tired they get tired and NOW BACK TO YOU CSX your treating Mr. Gates like STEVE BARTMAN who cost the cubs the World Series also another thought I was apolgizing not to you but to Mr. Gates for all the Grief he went thru from YOU CSX[}:)][}:)][}:)] I AM NOT YOUR MIDDLE MAN NEXT TIME CAPLTIZE YOUR I's It's a common courdsey
A VERY DISGUCED
DOGGY

[csxengineer98]

dharm..
you know nothing about me other then the fact that i became an engineer for csx in 98...you know nothing about my past..age or if i have servied on any other railroads befor csx...so...befor you go on about thinking your all knowing... just shut up befor you make yourself look more a fool then you already do....
and doggy... you got alot of nerver to talk...your the one that posted this topic in the first place... that dosnt leave alot of room for you to be makeing comments about bringing up bad feelings... and as for my feelings..thats how i feel... he is a rat in my mind..and will aways be one..not matter how much time he serived..or how sorry he is...
SO STOP APPLOGIZING FOR ME!!!! IF I WANTED TO APPLOGIZE..I WOULD DO IT MYSELF..I DONT NEED A MIDDLEMAN!!!!!!
A VERY P.O.ED
CSX ENGINEER!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Anonymous]

OH... I like Civil Wars...

What happens if i start chanting Jerry Jerry Jerry

Ok All joking aside..

Eric (kenneo) Brings up the best point, This topic has brough to the surface not only a Promblem issue that effects Trains, it' Effects every aspect of humanl life, And to the creator of this thread, Be it you Doggy, I salute you, Don't wish it dead, never wish a good thing dead...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rick Gates

You guys should kiss and make up now. Or whatever happens when a Doggy meets up with a Hoghead. Just kidding. Let's let it rest for now guys. Check out the MSN thread........[bow]

Rick that was a good one and could you tell me the adress of the MSN thread them I will check it out

DOGGY

[Rick Gates]

You guys should kiss and make up now. Or whatever happens when a Doggy meets up with a Hoghead. Just kidding. Let's let it rest for now guys. Check out the MSN thread........[bow]

[dharmon]

This ought to be on the humor thread....two guys..... one who wasn't even born when the incident occurred in 87?...making him something less than 18.... arguing with another that became a CSX engineer in 98....so probably not working in a crew capacity for a RR at the time of the accident......... about something that neither experienced or were personally affected by.....

If you want it to go away Doggy, then stop bringing it back to the top. You can't cry foul if you keep tossing fuel on the fire.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

doggy
i wish you would quit appolgizing for me...i have my own voice..and if i wi***o applogize i would....but i dont feel i need or should have to becouse of my views... and i dont need you or anyone else in this post to do that for me... rick knows how i feel... you all know how i feel..and to have you or someone else applogize for me makes it like im incapable of of speaking for myself...so in short.....dont do it anymore....
csx engineer

CSX
Maybe if you would of never said bad things about this man I wouldn't have to apolize for you I was meaning that I felt sorry for him putting up with this rat business he had to live thru many long years in jail also he had to live thru grief then you reopened bad memories with this RAT and S word BIZ also your acting like a big UNION RAT about this whole accident and with this brotherhood thing he didn't rat you guys out MANGEMENT let the Union's Collaspe and then rated them out your making a big deal about this brotherhood thing RIGHT? SO LETS ALL MOVE ON BEFORE WE START A CIVIL WAR

DOGGY

GO DUKE

[csxengineer98]

doggy
i wish you would quit appolgizing for me...i have my own voice..and if i wi***o applogize i would....but i dont feel i need or should have to becouse of my views... and i dont need you or anyone else in this post to do that for me... rick knows how i feel... you all know how i feel..and to have you or someone else applogize for me makes it like im incapable of of speaking for myself...so in short.....dont do it anymore....
csx engineer

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Conrail Guy

Rick when i read your post i almost fell out of my chair. I will always remeber you and the accident even though i wasn't born yet. I fell so sorry for you. I at first i dind't think you were the real deal untill i read this thread.

Rick when I read your post I almost fainted I wasan't born yet but my dad still remembers it I felt sorry for you for the accident all the bad press you got and all the critizim you got from CSX on this forum

DOGGY

GO DUKE

[Anonymous]

Rick when i read your post i almost fell out of my chair. I will always remeber you and the accident even though i wasn't born yet. I fell so sorry for you. I at first i dind't think you were the real deal untill i read this thread.

[Anonymous]

Hunter S. Thompson wrote that the whole thing could have been avoided if the RR's involved had listened to employee complaints about that trackage beforehand. There are those who felt a disaster at that junction was bound to happen no matter who was at the contraols. Should one ever be riding one's train high on whatever? No, Never. Did the freight crew get railroaded on that terrible day? They very well may have been.

[Anonymous]

Do you suppose that Casey Jones who crashed into a freight train in Mississippi was using alochal before it happened?

DOGGY

GO KENTUCKY

[Anonymous]

Mr. Gates you bring up a good point alochalism and addiciton are diseases

DOGGY

GO KENTUCKY

[Rick Gates]

Alcoholism/Addiction are diseases that make no sense to anyone including the person with the disease. There are all kinds of descriptions and variations of this disease, so one example or definition does not serve well. It has been described as an alleregy, like one to strawberries. Except, instead of breaking out in hives we break out in a drunk, broken relationships, squad cars, and the like. This example does not take into account that our thinking is altered when not drinking or in between drunks. We can stop for periods of time to get "the heat off of us" or prove to ourselves that we can stop anytime we wish. Can't have a problem if you can do that right. Why anyone gets cancer or heart disease makes no sense either though we are more than willing to point out risky behavior that may lead to it. Alcoholism/Addiction carries a moral stigma as well and, breeds mistrust on both sides of the problem. If you take "Exlax," will willpower be all you need to keep away from the bathroom? The problem has been around at least a mellenium and a half and will continue to be. What will you do if you know or work with someone with a drinking or drug problem? You know what you might do if they became ill on the job, right? For now I can only quote from the movie "Forrest Gump." "That's all I got to say about that" for now. Please, if you will, say some prayers for the families of UP engineer, Anthony Rodella and conductor, Jeffrey Bohler. God bless you all!

[rrnut282]

While I worked in the airline industry, I know of only a couple of instances where I felt endangered by the off-duty actions of others. It slays me, that while subject to random drug tests, that they would partake. They are willing to risk it all, and for what?

[Anonymous]

kenno I agree we need start a new one in a month and thanks kenno for thanking me and Thanks Mr. Gates for speaking up about this hard subject

DOGGY

[kenneo]

Mr. H, You're welcome.

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo

Doggy, this topic in all of its various forms will never beover until substance abuse and substance use while subject to duty occur. Sorry, but that is the way it is for now.

However, with this thread you have done something for us all that I think we may not realize. Your "idle" curiosity has introduced us to Rick Gates, the real Rick of today. It's not just "the guy who", but who he really is now. Look back at his posts in this thread.

At 8 pages, perhaps we should start another thread in a month or two.

Thank you, again, Doggy, for the thread. And thank you, Rick, for speaking up.

Nicely done, sir.