Maybe I’m an odd duck, but going back to the original poster’s comments about interacting with other modelers, hobby shop acquaintances and critics, I don’t worry about all that. Model RR’ing is the one activity I do for me – I try to differentiate it from other aspects of my daily life. Because I interact socially on many other levels with all types of personalities, I don’t need to seek approval from anyone else regarding my modeling skills, my approach to modeling or the end results (and I am my biggest critic). I just need to please myself and have fun while I’m doing it.
I will seek advice from others more skilled and experienced than I am and I have a lot of respect for those who put their work on display, either to share their accomplishments or to seek criticism. For me, as long as I enjoy what I’m doing in the hobby, right, wrong or indifferent, I will continue down my chosen path - I can be influenced but not disheartened.
Train Master wrote:wow! 5 pages of debate on a subject nobody is sure of. sound almost like politics. love to stay and argu the point but im only 13 and therefor cant vote
-Dan
Builder of Bowser steam! Railimages Site
Nothing. Nothing is ruining this hobby. Things are as good as they've ever been in my short 25 years in the hobby. In terms of quality and selection of products, it's never been better.
Just because people have disagreements about how they choose to enjoy the hobby, that doesn't mean the whole hobby is ruined. Jeez. Let's not be so dramatic!
Modeling the Rio Grande Southern First District circa 1938-1946 in HOn3.
You dont have to show any id to vote anymore just show up speak spanish and pull the lever
It is against the law to ask anyone to prove they are a citizen or 18 or even registered
CurtMc wrote: You dont have to show any id to vote anymore just show up speak spanish and pull the lever It is against the law to ask anyone to prove they are a citizen or 18 or even registered Train Master wrote:wow! 5 pages of debate on a subject nobody is sure of. sound almost like politics. love to stay and argu the point but im only 13 and therefor cant vote
Where I am, if your name is not in the book... ye aint voting.
They could take your information and let you vote, but will go back and verify it. If found to be false or otherwise un supported then the vote will be thrown away and not counted.
Safety Valve wrote: CurtMc wrote: You dont have to show any id to vote anymore just show up speak spanish and pull the lever It is against the law to ask anyone to prove they are a citizen or 18 or even registered Train Master wrote:wow! 5 pages of debate on a subject nobody is sure of. sound almost like politics. love to stay and argu the point but im only 13 and therefor cant vote Where I am, if your name is not in the book... ye aint voting. They could take your information and let you vote, but will go back and verify it. If found to be false or otherwise un supported then the vote will be thrown away and not counted.
I went this morning and all you needed to have was your name and address. When I tried to show ID, the person told me to put it away because it was unneccesary. Then they had me sign next to my name in the book and then vote in the machine.
What's ridiculous about this is that anyone could have shown up and claimed to be me and voted in my name. I'm in the phone book. And if I showed up later, there's no way to remove the fraudelent vote from the system and replace it with mine. It would be particularly easy to vote for someone that had recently died or was in a hospital/nursing home.
whitman500 wrote: Safety Valve wrote: CurtMc wrote: You dont have to show any id to vote anymore just show up speak spanish and pull the lever It is against the law to ask anyone to prove they are a citizen or 18 or even registered Train Master wrote:wow! 5 pages of debate on a subject nobody is sure of. sound almost like politics. love to stay and argu the point but im only 13 and therefor cant vote Where I am, if your name is not in the book... ye aint voting. They could take your information and let you vote, but will go back and verify it. If found to be false or otherwise un supported then the vote will be thrown away and not counted. I went this morning and all you needed to have was your name and address. When I tried to show ID, the person told me to put it away because it was unneccesary. Then they had me sign next to my name in the book and then vote in the machine. What's ridiculous about this is that anyone could have shown up and claimed to be me and voted in my name. I'm in the phone book. And if I showed up later, there's no way to remove the fraudelent vote from the system and replace it with mine. It would be particularly easy to vote for someone that had recently died or was in a hospital/nursing home.
The worker who told you to put the ID away was probably watching the clock and wanting to hurry up and process everyone thru. That worker should have been replaced with another worker who will take the extra 10 seconds for the ID.
That worker should have made you show ID. We had two seperate workers ask for our ID and once we signed ours and got a slip to the "Boss" we were free to vote.
whitman500 - I went this morning and all you needed to have was your name and address. When I tried to show ID, the person told me to put it away because it was unneccesary. Then they had me sign next to my name in the book and then vote in the machine. What's ridiculous about this is that anyone could have shown up and claimed to be me and voted in my name. I'm in the phone book. And if I showed up later, there's no way to remove the fraudelent vote from the system and replace it with mine. It would be particularly easy to vote for someone that had recently died or was in a hospital/nursing home.
I'm in NYS too and agree...this was exactly the same situation for me. There were no waiting lines and when I ask what ID they wanted to see, the reply was, "none...just sign and vote..." Nice, huh!?
CNJ831
Safety Valve wrote: whitman500 wrote: Safety Valve wrote: CurtMc wrote: You dont have to show any id to vote anymore just show up speak spanish and pull the lever It is against the law to ask anyone to prove they are a citizen or 18 or even registered Train Master wrote:wow! 5 pages of debate on a subject nobody is sure of. sound almost like politics. love to stay and argu the point but im only 13 and therefor cant vote Where I am, if your name is not in the book... ye aint voting. They could take your information and let you vote, but will go back and verify it. If found to be false or otherwise un supported then the vote will be thrown away and not counted. I went this morning and all you needed to have was your name and address. When I tried to show ID, the person told me to put it away because it was unneccesary. Then they had me sign next to my name in the book and then vote in the machine. What's ridiculous about this is that anyone could have shown up and claimed to be me and voted in my name. I'm in the phone book. And if I showed up later, there's no way to remove the fraudelent vote from the system and replace it with mine. It would be particularly easy to vote for someone that had recently died or was in a hospital/nursing home. The worker who told you to put the ID away was probably watching the clock and wanting to hurry up and process everyone thru. That worker should have been replaced with another worker who will take the extra 10 seconds for the ID. That worker should have made you show ID. We had two seperate workers ask for our ID and once we signed ours and got a slip to the "Boss" we were free to vote.
That was not the reason. This happened to both me and my wife and when we arrived at the polling place we were the only voters there (there was no one behind us to process). There were 5 or 6 poll workers sitting around doing nothing.
The only thing that could truely ruin the worlds greatest hobby is the same thing that ruins real life for so many people. Trying to keep up with what the well to do have. So somebody has has a fancy layout made of all precisely laid handmade track, controlled with the greatest feature filled DCC system on the planet that does everything but wash the dishes.
SO WHAT!
My layout is simple 2 x 4 benchwork topped with plywood. On top of that are three layers of styrofoam sheets and the trackwork, consisting of all Bachmann EZ track, which I have had NO problems with because I laid it right in the first place. It's set up for DC block control and also has DCC control with a Bachmann EZ Command DCC system and you know what? I LIKE IT! I don't care what the guy down the road has or whatever fantastic thing the MRR super kings have come up with. I just do what I want to do. That's what this hobby is all about! Doing it the way you want to do it, not the way somebody else says it should be done because they do it that way.
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CNJ831,About voting...the last time I went to vote, I got to the correct precinct table at our High School gym, and was greeted by Mrs. Brody, who said, "Hi Paul! How's your mom and dad?" Talk about positive proof of ID, try running into your old school teacher and family friend who's known you since you were in diapers!
Paul A. Cutler III*************Weather Or No Go New Haven*************
I am perfectly content with inexpensive plastic building kits, Athearn blue box rolling stock kits, and basic engines by Athearn and Atlas. My track is Life Like Powerlock on a grass matted table top. An elaborate layout featuring laser kits, Woodland Scenics, Peco track, DCC, etc. would be too time consuming, futzy, and expensive for me. Just not my style. At least not at this point in my life. I guess you could classify my approach as "toy".
I've yet to be criticized for being so basic. I've gotten encouragement more than anything. I often hear some of the products I enjoy get criticized by the others. But, that is because they are not to their liking and it has nothing to do with me personally. I guess their are a few who knock others for what they do with model railroading. I feel sorry for them more than anything for they must not have many friends if any.
As it stands now, Model Railroader is preaching to the choir in my opinion. It costs at least $150.00 a month to be the model railroader Model Railroader Magazine portrays. We tend to get so engrained in "what's right", we forget "what's simple and affordable". It would be nice to see Model Railroader to bring back a dedicated a section of the magazine covering the basics. Articles on detailing and assembling simple plastic kits, arranging track and buildings so they look right, fine tuning engines and rolling stock, etc. Real simple stuff. Projects that require no more than a handful of basic tools and skills. Yes, Model Railroader does this on occasion but they need to dedicate themselves to it as a regular feature if they expect to keep people interested. If the magazine wants to see kids attracted to the hobby, what I'm saying here really needs to be considered because as it stands now, 95% of them don't have the means to carry out the projects in Model Railroader. They and their parents see it as overkill and are scared off. Even the Worlds Greatest Hobby campaign overdoes it.
As far as I'm concerned, whether you play with Thomas the Tank Engine or have a superdetailed layout that exactly matches the prototype in every practical way, if you're having fun with trains then you are model railroading "the right way."
Ignore those who would impose their way onto your modeling. It doesn't matter if everyone else in the world thinks you're a complete nincompoop for what you do - if you're modeling your way, you're doing it the right way.
Mark P.
Website: http://www.thecbandqinwyoming.comVideos: https://www.youtube.com/user/mabrunton
marknewton wrote:You must not be looking at your copies of MR very closely. Every isuue I have from recent years has had articles such as those you describe. There is content in every issue that adresses the basics. There is an issue every year that outlines the basics such as gauge scale, etc. Then there are the regular supplements which also address basic modelling needs. <"Model Railroader does this on occasion but they need to dedicate themselves to it as a regular feature if they expect to keep people interested."> If they expect to keep experienced modellers like me interested, then it won't be by dedicating themselves to the lowest common denominator. I have been critical of MR's editorial policy in the past, but at the moment I feel the balance is just about right. Cheers, Mark.
<"Model Railroader does this on occasion but they need to dedicate themselves to it as a regular feature if they expect to keep people interested.">
If they expect to keep experienced modellers like me interested, then it won't be by dedicating themselves to the lowest common denominator. I have been critical of MR's editorial policy in the past, but at the moment I feel the balance is just about right. Cheers, Mark.
Good grief, the choir speaks. I'm talking about a section in the back, maybe ten pages dedicated to the toy segment of the hobby. Not articles scattered all over. The projects could be simpler than what I've seen like how to assemble an Athearn kit. Something like RMC did in the 50's "Toy Trains".
3railguy wrote: marknewton wrote:You must not be looking at your copies of MR very closely. Every isuue I have from recent years has had articles such as those you describe. There is content in every issue that adresses the basics. There is an issue every year that outlines the basics such as gauge scale, etc. Then there are the regular supplements which also address basic modelling needs. <"Model Railroader does this on occasion but they need to dedicate themselves to it as a regular feature if they expect to keep people interested."> If they expect to keep experienced modellers like me interested, then it won't be by dedicating themselves to the lowest common denominator. I have been critical of MR's editorial policy in the past, but at the moment I feel the balance is just about right. Cheers, Mark. Good grief, the choir speaks. I'm talking about a section in the back, maybe ten pages dedicated to the toy segment of the hobby. Not articles scattered all over. The projects could be simpler than what I've seen like how to assemble an Athearn kit. Something like RMC did in the 50's "Toy Trains".
Im betting copies of MR tend to be read over and over again until they fall apart.