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Posted by colvinbackshop on Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:25 AM

Well...Maybe just one more Joe. Guess it's just you and me now...Man you work some long hours, hope you get paid well.

I was just thinking about my comment regarding tank cars and the more I thought, the more I remembered....The unloading from the top that I was reading about was in regard to LP tankers! Still don't know about other fuels, but I'm going to be in Aurora a week from tomorrow and I will take the time to check out the "real" Colvin Lumber & Fuel. Maybe they are still served by rail...Or somebody there will remember the old days when they were!

Now I really Gotta' Go....Keep the change Joe, you deserve a good tip!

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Posted by colvinbackshop on Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:48 AM

Howdy guys....Set um up Joe, and I'll have a tall tap with a couple shots of Mr.T

Mike and Mr. B..I'm not 100% sure, but I think I remember reading something a number of years ago now, about tankers being built with out any appliances (valves, piping...nothing) on the under side, for safety reasons. I the case of any derailment / accident, with everything "top-side" the possibility of catastrophic leakage was somewhat diminished.

I too am looking into the off-loading (the how and why of the piping) of fuel. I will have the Walthers kit that you are doing Mr.B, as a large distribution center, Anchor Gas & Fuel, in one of my larger towns (details to yet be worked out) and a kitbashed Colvin Lumber and Fuel in the small community of Sawbill Junction.

Mike, did I miss a photo of you oil depot on this thread?

One more, once around Joe.....Then I gotta' go.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, October 27, 2006 8:44 PM
Jeffrey.    I saw the pics on another thread and am impressed. What do you mean exactly about ""Kato Drive?"
Just that. It's a Proto 2000 that's had a Kato motor and drive system put in it. It runs like a dream.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Friday, October 27, 2006 7:21 PM
     Jeffrey.    I saw the pics on another thread and am impressed. What do you mean exactly about ""Kato Drive?"
     MisterB,,I like the idea of a propane tank and fence,   Thanks for the vote of confidence, the shingles are made by Evergreen, and yes the building is detailed.  Here a pic of the building removed ( took a huge HO crain and several HO man hours to get this pic)



On the inside of the building glued to the walls are two filling cabnets and a payment counter.


    Whats going on here My glass is empty?
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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, October 27, 2006 7:03 PM

I like lots of pipe runs going all over the place.  The Walthers kit came with them, but they're kind of short, so I picked up some styrene rods and I'll extend the runs across the track to the other side, where I'll unload the tank cars.  Your building with the shingles looks great.  Campbells?  Does it have any interior detail, like some of your others?  I'm going to put in some 2-dimensional cutouts of Montgomery Burns and Waylon Smithers once I get my building put together.

Maybe a big propane tank with a fence around it for filling up grill tanks?  Some of the "bulbs" from sprue ends would work as small tanks, I think.

Have another while you think about it.  Harpoon again, Joe.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, October 27, 2006 7:00 PM

Mike: Check this out! It's a P2K E6 on a Kato drive. I can't even hear the motor running, it's so quiet.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Friday, October 27, 2006 6:48 PM
    MisterB,   I have been wondering about the unloading of tank cars also. As you are probley aware  I too am building a facility that unloads tank cars. I always assumed that the cars are unloaded from the bottom, but I have been looking at my tankers and there is nothing around the bottom that even looks like onloading valves.  I am watching your thread to gain more info here.  Have you seen the pics I posted today of Coleman Fuel?  Take a look, I think I need something but I cannot tell what, Might use some comments from you,  Let me buy another drink, I hate to see anyone with a empty glass.     Mike
  


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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, October 27, 2006 6:36 PM

Fill 'er up, Joe.  Us oil men have a powerful thirst.  I'm still fixing up the Burns Fuel and Oil Company, adding some scenery around the tanks and trying to figure out that unloading thing.  Somebody pointed me to a reference that makes me think one of the hoses is for the fuel to come out of, and the other is to pump in air to pressurize the tank and push the fuel out.  That means I've got to use different colors for those pipes, too.

Rain is due in around midnight, according to the timetable that I've learned not to put much faith in.  It was clear blue skies as the sun went down.  Still, it will be Saturday, so I suppose we have to get rain.  That's OK, I need layout time to paint the cover-ups for the Atlas switch machines.  I'm pretty happy with them so far, but now I'm doing an A vs B test of whether I need to coat them with Gypsolite or just paint them.  Time will tell, and so will I.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Friday, October 27, 2006 5:07 PM
   Howdy Joe, I'll have a cold one here, it's Miller Time.   No one here yet I see, well I have to be the first at something I guess, would be better to be first in the chow line though.
    I did some cedar shingles on the Coleman Fuel shop building today, takes a lot of time but worth it, I can see I need some more practice getting the rows straighter, but looks better than shingles printed on the computer.
    I didn't do any wiring today, didn't feel like it my sinuses are driving me crazy, have been for about 3 days.  I will be glad when I can breathe again.  Don't wory Joe the others will be after while.      Mike

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Posted by GUB on Friday, October 27, 2006 11:57 AM

JB - I'm assuming that Duct Tape is your friend.

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Posted by colvinbackshop on Friday, October 27, 2006 10:39 AM

Coffee here too Joe!

Another late night last night, and so I'm not running on all cylinders yet.

Mike, could be the wart's time was up....and there is nothing majorly wrong with the wiring....On the other hand, up-grading and cleaning it up can only be a good thing!! Right??

GUB, glad you feel comfortable! As far as a question....Always feel free to ask away. This MRRing thing is just an ongoing experiment for me, I'm learning something all the time...Sometimes the hard way (shoulda', coulda' asked a question or two first). To quote Red Green "Remember, we're all in this together, I'm pulling for you"

David, be careful not to criticize...When I was in school, I was an experiment on how to teach spelling with out learning phonics....It didn't work!

Gotta' get busy....Have another LONG day ahead!

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Posted by GUB on Friday, October 27, 2006 9:36 AM

 mikesmowers wrote:
    I just assumed everyone knew what a wall wart was. Sorry I should have explained myself better
     Mike

That's okay Mike. I'm new in the hobby, recently returning after 35-40 years. I heard the term before but never knew what it meant and not wanting to appear stupid I just never asked the question. But I figure I feel comfortable enough to ask the question hear.

Thanks for the info.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Friday, October 27, 2006 9:31 AM
    I just assumed everyone knew what a wall wart was. Sorry I should have explained myself better
     Mike

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Posted by GUB on Friday, October 27, 2006 9:28 AM

 jeffrey-wimberly wrote:
A traqnsformer that plugs into the wall.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Thanks for the info.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, October 27, 2006 9:21 AM
A traqnsformer that plugs into the wall.

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Posted by GUB on Friday, October 27, 2006 9:15 AM

 mikesmowers wrote:
   Morning all  cup of coffee Joe, Thanks.  
   I haven't found any burnt wires or anything of the such, but I am not done yet. The power supply I am using will shut down if it even thinks there is a short, Why it didn't the other night is beyond me.   I did fry a 12v 1 amp wall wart that was controling the street lights, I think some of them were dim just befor the smoke.  I figure a short on the line with the wall wart.  So far so good.
                                                                      Mike

Morning All... Cup of coffee this morning. Hope everyone is well.

Mike pardon my language (& ignorance) but what the hell is a wall wart?

Gotta Go. Tons of paperwork to get through.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Friday, October 27, 2006 8:58 AM
   Morning all  cup of coffee Joe, Thanks.  
   I haven't found any burnt wires or anything of the such, but I am not done yet. The power supply I am using will shut down if it even thinks there is a short, Why it didn't the other night is beyond me.   I did fry a 12v 1 amp wall wart that was controling the street lights, I think some of them were dim just befor the smoke.  I figure a short on the line with the wall wart.  So far so good.
                                                                      Mike

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Posted by colvinbackshop on Friday, October 27, 2006 12:26 AM

Cold tap for me Joe. And set up the house for whoever is left here!

Keep high and dry Jeffrey, and be safe!

So Mike, you are doing some wiring. Sounds like a good plan being able to easily disconnect the feeders. Did you ever find out what was heating up, causing the smoke?

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:20 PM
A Russian beer for me before young Mr. Parker and I hit the road. More storms are moving in and I want to get everything shut down and tied down before they hit. We're expecting heavy rain with flooding. Night all, I'll be back tomorrow. If I'm not, my young charge here probably will be.

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Posted by Train Master on Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 PM
and i thought my spelling is bad! How bout a tonic and lime.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:45 PM
Afternoon all, I know it's early but I'm tired of laying on my back under the layout repairing wiring.
    Joe Bring me a cold beer will ya,  Thanks, man thats good. 
    I started out this morning ripping all the wire from under the layout, (not the bus wires, just the light wires) I am replacing them with new wire and lots of heat scrink tubing. I have a few of those plug in type things that are in the back of some stereos for hooking up the speakers. I wired those to to the PC power supply and then am hooking up the lights to plug into the speaker plugs. Should make it easier when the time comes to do maintance or changing things around





  Am I making any sence?  I still need to put in a lot more heat scrink tubing but I'll have to wait til tommarrow as I run slap out of the stuff.
    Oh well I am tired and thiristy,   What did you all get done today, Anything interesting?    You all take care and I'll see you later.         Mike

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:40 PM
I'll have to try the purple haze later. Right now me and the Trainmaster are outta here! Stormy weather moving in and I have to shut down the network.

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Posted by Train Master on Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:24 PM
to bad im too young for that stuff. maybe in 5 or 6 more years

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Posted by SilverSpike on Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:11 PM

Sure Jeff, chocolate beer sounds good to me.

Have you ever tried the Purple Haze from Abita Beer? It is a raspberry wheat beer.

 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:40 PM

Anybody for a chocolate beer?

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Posted by colvinbackshop on Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:41 AM

OK, here we go..."Power Management 101" at the CCRY.

It's simple...Just trace out the red and white wires for the power districts in question. Oh no, hang on here! There are other colors too...Light blue goes to gray...or is that yellow...wait, maybe both! Can that be? Just another minute here! What's this? A black wire! What's that black wire?  Where does it go..and for what purpose? And then there's dark blue and red? Where the heck are those two wires going? Are they the same as the red and white? Wait a minute...again. Was that questioning the dark blue and red or the light blue and what was that color? Maybe the gray and yellow? Again, I've got to ask...What's that black wire?

Well....One thing for sure, green is ground....I think!

I sure hope that when I'm dead and gone from life as we know it....Someone else will be able to figure out this "color code" thing going here at the CCRY!

Joe, set another round...After re-thinking all of what I just said...I'm thinking I may have too much blood in my alcohol stream!

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Posted by colvinbackshop on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:47 PM

Mike: I can see your problem clearly...It's one of those green or yellow wires! Wait a minute, where are my glasses? Joe, I need a cold one too! That's better..Now with a brighter light...Yup-Yup, it's a green or a yellow!! Maybe both!

I'll post a pic (upcoming) of my biggest "rat's nest" all red and white, just to prove that we're all on the same page and in this together!

Actually Mike, I'd love to help out...If I leave now...I should be at your place in about 20 hours...Keep the beer cold!! Hi-Oh-Silver..Away!!

The way I see it, at the very least, it wasn't /isn't magic smoke! That's the stuff that leaks out of high tech electronic (some being very expensive) equipment. All kidding aside and in all honesty; I'm with Mr. B. Turn it off, unplug it, pull the fuse or flip the breaker....No point in burning any part of the pike, let alone the entire place down!!

I had a fire at my cabin a couple of years ago...The scariest damn thing I've ever had to deal with and I pray that I will NEVER experience that sort of thing again!

Mr. B: Your idea for the "scenicing" of the turnout solenoid sounds like it should work very well. I have also seen trackside sheds with a deck (speeder shed) that did a nice job of cameo. One would think the possibilities are limitless....

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:00 PM

Sounds like you got off lucky. I see David left his Visa Platinum card. I'll take it and give it to him tomorrow.

I'll have a Russian brew.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:37 PM
    OKay,,,,, I know I need to do a lot of rewiring, as far as the smoke, I fried a wall wart and maybe the PC power supply.  The system the train runs on is A OK.   Maybe a few GOW bulbs bit the dust.
     I'll keep posted.                                                                        


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Mr. B,  Thanks for the cold one here



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Posted by MisterBeasley on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:28 PM

 mikesmowers wrote:
I really thought that someone would hevn been here by now to fix/repair wy wiring, Oh well, I can wait, I am positive someone will come through.

I see the problem, all right.  You've got all kinds of wires under there, all nicely twisted together at the ends, some maybe even soldered.  But, there's no insulation on any of the splices, so sooner or later, two of those wires are going to touch.  You might be treated to a Star Trek console light-show, or you might brown-out your neighborhood.  Or, you might seriously fry some valuable part of your layout.

Seriously, I wouldn't leave the room without pulling the plug on the layout.  Actually, I don't leave my own train room without flipping off the power, because the underside of my layout looks just like yours.

Joe, another round for me and Mike.  And a couple of rolls of electrical tape.

 

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