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detail associates ho lift rings--really tiny!

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detail associates ho lift rings--really tiny!
Posted by Mister Mikado on Wednesday, August 21, 2024 9:25 PM

hello, hope this post finds all you safe, healthy and cooler.

i ordered a pack of detail associates 1101 ho lift rings on ebay. they came today, a sealed package and they are really tiny, like they were closer to n scale, half the size of the ones on my proto 2000 ho e8 locos.  i could understand a slight difference but these are definitely half the diameter of the p2ks.  can anyone explain this?  -rob

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Posted by maxman on Wednesday, August 21, 2024 10:49 PM

Don't know for certain, but the DA lift rings are probably closer to scale size.

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Posted by Attuvian1 on Wednesday, August 21, 2024 11:10 PM

maxman

Don't know for certain, but the DA lift rings are probably closer to scale size.

 
Agree.  
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Posted by Mister Mikado on Wednesday, August 21, 2024 11:31 PM

thanks guys--so anyone know who sells the original proto

2000/walthers lift rings?  i need 12.

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, August 22, 2024 12:12 AM

Why not use the DA parts?  Is there a concern that someone will see two units next to each other and comment about the lift rings being different sizes?  If that's the case, I'd just show that person the door.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, August 22, 2024 4:37 AM

Mister Mikado

thanks guys--so anyone know who sells the original proto

2000/walthers lift rings?  i need 12.

 

A couple of years ago, I bought a BLI E8 on eBay and when it arrived it was missing a lift ring. I contacted BLI and they had lift rings available for their E8 units. I don't know if these lift rings would be the right size for your situation, but they are a decent size. BLI does respond to emails.

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Thursday, August 22, 2024 11:41 AM

thanks for your help rich, i contacted them.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, August 22, 2024 11:52 AM

Mister Mikado

thanks for your help rich, i contacted them.

 

Excellent, let us know how that turns out.

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Posted by trwroute on Thursday, August 22, 2024 3:42 PM

I'm pretty sure that the Cal Scale lift rings are slightly larger than the DA parts.  I love the DA stuff, but those lift rings have gotten ridiculously expensive and you get half as many in a package.  I can't imagine how many I've flung across the room over the years.  I need to learn to be more careful!

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Thursday, August 22, 2024 5:38 PM

thanks chuck! an ebayer has a photo up of some cal scale wire lift rings next to a ruler and the ring od measures about 1/32". that's the size of the proto 2000 rings.  the detail associates rings are about 1/48", too small.

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Thursday, August 22, 2024 5:55 PM

what the heck--they are manufactured from wire turned into a loop with a stem--i could make 'em myself.  all the online sellers charge more for shipping than the item itself.  love your help guys just the same.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, August 22, 2024 6:14 PM

Mister Mikado

what the heck--they are manufactured from wire turned into a loop with a stem--i could make 'em myself.  all the online sellers charge more for shipping than the item itself.  love your help guys just the same.

 

I would think that it would be challenging to make them yourself. But, if you do, let us know how they turn out.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, August 22, 2024 6:16 PM

Mister Mikado

thanks chuck! an ebayer has a photo up of some cal scale wire lift rings next to a ruler and the ring od measures 1/16". that's more like it.  the detail associates rings are 1/32", too small.

 

Did BLI indicate the size of their lift rings?

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, August 22, 2024 6:20 PM

I thought lift rings were etched from brass sheet...

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Thursday, August 22, 2024 6:27 PM

no reply yet rich

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, August 22, 2024 6:27 PM

Overmod

I thought lift rings were etched from brass sheet...

 

The ones that I got from BLI were plastic.

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Thursday, August 22, 2024 6:30 PM

some are brass, overmod, but cal scale fashions their #501 from .012" wire

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, August 22, 2024 7:33 PM

Mister Mikado
and the ring od measures 1/16". that's more like it.

Really?  A lift ring is basically an eye bolt.  1/16 inch rounds up to about 6 inches in HO.  Sounds pretty hefty for something that needs to lift some sheet metal.

Wonder what the dimensions of a real diesel lift ring is?

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, August 22, 2024 8:07 PM

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no reply yet rich

 

Nuts, I heard back the same day.

Here is the email address that I used.

partsorders@broadway-limited.com

Rich

 

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Thursday, August 22, 2024 8:09 PM

you are correct maxman.  detail associates labels their lift ring    "3 1/2 inch eye bolt lift ring" which is roughly 1/32 inch in HO scale but the da's measure 1/48" and look silly and puny on an HO diesel roof--you can hardly see 'em. 

now we've all gotten so used to oversized kadee #5s over the decades and never mind the fat air hose coming out of them.

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Thursday, August 22, 2024 8:12 PM

richhotrain

 

 

Nuts, I heard back the same day.

Here is the email address that I used.

partsorders@broadway-limited.com

Rich

 
 

thanks rich, i will try it. i used their mail form letter.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, August 22, 2024 8:13 PM

Mister Mikado

 

 
richhotrain

 

 

Nuts, I heard back the same day.

Here is the email address that I used.

partsorders@broadway-limited.com

Rich

 
 

 

 

thanks rich, i will try it. i used their mail form letter.

 

The parts people were quick, helpful and very communicative.

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Thursday, August 22, 2024 11:59 PM

sorry guys, my eyes ain't what they used to be--the proto 2000 lift rings are actually 1/32"--1/16" is incorrect--i edit-corrected my posts containing this error.  the DA rings measure 1/48" and to me that's noticably too small.

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Posted by dti406 on Friday, August 23, 2024 8:36 AM

Proto lift rings are huge compared to the prototype as are the Detail Associates or Cal-Scale wire lift rings. DA used to make cast brass ones that were much smaller and I really liked but I have not seen them in years. I have since found some from Yarmouth Scale Models which I now use exclusively.

https://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/Miscellaneous

Here are some engines with replacement rings for plastic or non-existent rings.

This is either the DA or Cal-Scale wire lift rings.

Here is one with the Yarmouth Scale Models lift rings.

Since I replace all Proto Plastic rings with metal replacement I have tons of the plastic ones in my scrap box if you would like some.

Rick Jesionowski

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Posted by maxman on Friday, August 23, 2024 10:38 AM

dti406
I have since found some from Yarmouth Scale Models which I now use exclusively.

$40 minimum order, plus shipping?  Ouch.

Anyway, we have one individual who feels that the DA parts are oversize, and one individual who feels they are undersize.  Why can't we get along? LOL

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Friday, August 23, 2024 10:43 AM

thank you for your offer rick, you are a godsend! yes i prefer the proto 2000 lift rings (HO) -- i need to replace all 12 in my e8 that i messed up after an unsuccessful paint job.  the loco is a prr brown but whatever color you can send i will appreciate.

i have a lot of spare parts too--anything you are looking for, please let me know and i'll ship them out to you! 

please email me: rindsight "AT" aol.com and i'll give you my home address. 

with gratitude,

rob

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Posted by dti406 on Friday, August 23, 2024 11:53 AM

maxman

 

 
dti406
I have since found some from Yarmouth Scale Models which I now use exclusively.

 

$40 minimum order, plus shipping?  Ouch.

Anyway, we have one individual who feels that the DA parts are oversize, and one individual who feels they are undersize.  Why can't we get along? LOL

 

Yes, but I manage to get to the $40 due to all the unique parts he offers like metal sill steps, ladders, etc. Did not use to be that way but US and Canadian postal regulations mandated the change to the $40 minimum.

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Friday, August 23, 2024 5:20 PM

richhotrain

 

The parts people were quick, helpful and very communicative.

 Rich

 

 

rich bli parts got back to me this morning.  you're right about them

being helpful!  they don't normally support a non-bli loco but

they are making an exception and i'm waiting for a price.

very kind people there!   -rob

ps:  rick is mailing me some proto 2000 rings as well.  the kindness and generosity of the forum members here is astounding, God bless you all.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, August 23, 2024 6:10 PM

Mister Mikado

 

 
richhotrain

 

The parts people were quick, helpful and very communicative.

 Rich

 

 

 

 

rich bli parts got back to me this morning.  you're right about them

being helpful!  they don't normally support a non-bli loco but

they are making an exception and i'm waiting for a price.

very kind people there!   -rob

ps:  rick is mailing me some proto 2000 rings as well.  the kindness and generousity of the forum members here is astounding, God bless you all.

 

Excellent news! 

Good luck.

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Wednesday, September 4, 2024 12:06 AM

dti406

 

Since I replace all Proto Plastic rings with metal replacement I have tons of the plastic ones in my scrap box if you would like some.

Rick Jesionowski

 

 

hello rick, i sent my address to your email 10 days ago for you to mail me the lift rings you offered, but they still haven't arrived.  (bli never contacted me)  i emailed you again.  hope you are ok. -rob

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