thank you for that info peter.
thank you rich for that tip. the rings are really small, i would probably break them which is what i did to the original p2k lift rings on my e8 when i removed the paint from the roof. i think i will just go back to making my own lift rings out of thin wire bent around a pin. doesn't seem like a difficult project. then the stem will be as thin as the ring, and round.
like so: O---
everyone thank you again for all your help and advice!
KV Models offers a bulk pac of etched metal lift rings: #KV-1012H. Appears some of the same rings came with their handrail stanchion kit KV-313H, O.D. approx. .037
Regards, Peter
Mister Mikado hello rich--update. it's a never ending story. just received bli's lift rings and the circles match the proto 2000's BUT--instead of a thin mounting pin coming out of them there is a thick stem, looks almost square, so i would have to drill out all 12 of my e8 mounting holes extra wide. there will be a noticable and messy gap. talk about putting a square peg into a round hole! was hoping rick had sent me the spare proto 2000 rings he said he would--now it's back to "square" one. -rob
hello rich--update. it's a never ending story. just received bli's lift rings and the circles match the proto 2000's BUT--instead of a thin mounting pin coming out of them there is a thick stem, looks almost square, so i would have to drill out all 12 of my e8 mounting holes extra wide. there will be a noticable and messy gap. talk about putting a square peg into a round hole!
was hoping rick had sent me the spare proto 2000 rings he said he would--now it's back to "square" one. -rob
Rich
Alton Junction
Mister Mikado rich--bli parts just replied to my followup and they are sending me a set of lift rings, but they may be too small as well, i prefer the original life-like rings even though they are oversize. so i may end up making my own out of wire. thank you for your concern! -rob
rich--bli parts just replied to my followup and they are sending me a set of lift rings, but they may be too small as well, i prefer the original life-like rings even though they are oversize. so i may end up making my own out of wire. thank you for your concern! -rob
Mister Mikado dti406 Since I replace all Proto Plastic rings with metal replacement I have tons of the plastic ones in my scrap box if you would like some. Rick Jesionowski hello rick, i sent my address to your email 10 days ago for you to mail me the lift rings you offered, but they still haven't arrived. (bli never contacted me) i emailed you again. hope you are ok. -rob
dti406 Since I replace all Proto Plastic rings with metal replacement I have tons of the plastic ones in my scrap box if you would like some. Rick Jesionowski
Since I replace all Proto Plastic rings with metal replacement I have tons of the plastic ones in my scrap box if you would like some.
Rick Jesionowski
hello rick, i sent my address to your email 10 days ago for you to mail me the lift rings you offered, but they still haven't arrived. (bli never contacted me) i emailed you again. hope you are ok. -rob
Mister Mikado richhotrain The parts people were quick, helpful and very communicative. Rich rich bli parts got back to me this morning. you're right about them being helpful! they don't normally support a non-bli loco but they are making an exception and i'm waiting for a price. very kind people there! -rob ps: rick is mailing me some proto 2000 rings as well. the kindness and generousity of the forum members here is astounding, God bless you all.
richhotrain The parts people were quick, helpful and very communicative. Rich
The parts people were quick, helpful and very communicative.
rich bli parts got back to me this morning. you're right about them
being helpful! they don't normally support a non-bli loco but
they are making an exception and i'm waiting for a price.
very kind people there! -rob
ps: rick is mailing me some proto 2000 rings as well. the kindness and generousity of the forum members here is astounding, God bless you all.
Good luck.
ps: rick is mailing me some proto 2000 rings as well. the kindness and generosity of the forum members here is astounding, God bless you all.
maxman dti406 I have since found some from Yarmouth Scale Models which I now use exclusively. $40 minimum order, plus shipping? Ouch. Anyway, we have one individual who feels that the DA parts are oversize, and one individual who feels they are undersize. Why can't we get along? LOL
dti406 I have since found some from Yarmouth Scale Models which I now use exclusively.
$40 minimum order, plus shipping? Ouch.
Anyway, we have one individual who feels that the DA parts are oversize, and one individual who feels they are undersize. Why can't we get along? LOL
Yes, but I manage to get to the $40 due to all the unique parts he offers like metal sill steps, ladders, etc. Did not use to be that way but US and Canadian postal regulations mandated the change to the $40 minimum.
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thank you for your offer rick, you are a godsend! yes i prefer the proto 2000 lift rings (HO) -- i need to replace all 12 in my e8 that i messed up after an unsuccessful paint job. the loco is a prr brown but whatever color you can send i will appreciate.
i have a lot of spare parts too--anything you are looking for, please let me know and i'll ship them out to you!
please email me: rindsight "AT" aol.com and i'll give you my home address.
with gratitude,
rob
Proto lift rings are huge compared to the prototype as are the Detail Associates or Cal-Scale wire lift rings. DA used to make cast brass ones that were much smaller and I really liked but I have not seen them in years. I have since found some from Yarmouth Scale Models which I now use exclusively.
https://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/Miscellaneous
Here are some engines with replacement rings for plastic or non-existent rings.
This is either the DA or Cal-Scale wire lift rings.
Here is one with the Yarmouth Scale Models lift rings.
sorry guys, my eyes ain't what they used to be--the proto 2000 lift rings are actually 1/32"--1/16" is incorrect--i edit-corrected my posts containing this error. the DA rings measure 1/48" and to me that's noticably too small.
Mister Mikado richhotrain Nuts, I heard back the same day. Here is the email address that I used. partsorders@broadway-limited.com Rich thanks rich, i will try it. i used their mail form letter.
richhotrain Nuts, I heard back the same day. Here is the email address that I used. partsorders@broadway-limited.com Rich
Nuts, I heard back the same day.
Here is the email address that I used.
partsorders@broadway-limited.com
thanks rich, i will try it. i used their mail form letter.
you are correct maxman. detail associates labels their lift ring "3 1/2 inch eye bolt lift ring" which is roughly 1/32 inch in HO scale but the da's measure 1/48" and look silly and puny on an HO diesel roof--you can hardly see 'em.
now we've all gotten so used to oversized kadee #5s over the decades and never mind the fat air hose coming out of them.
Mister Mikado no reply yet rich
no reply yet rich
Mister Mikadoand the ring od measures 1/16". that's more like it.
Really? A lift ring is basically an eye bolt. 1/16 inch rounds up to about 6 inches in HO. Sounds pretty hefty for something that needs to lift some sheet metal.
Wonder what the dimensions of a real diesel lift ring is?
some are brass, overmod, but cal scale fashions their #501 from .012" wire
Overmod I thought lift rings were etched from brass sheet...
I thought lift rings were etched from brass sheet...
Mister Mikado thanks chuck! an ebayer has a photo up of some cal scale wire lift rings next to a ruler and the ring od measures 1/16". that's more like it. the detail associates rings are 1/32", too small.
thanks chuck! an ebayer has a photo up of some cal scale wire lift rings next to a ruler and the ring od measures 1/16". that's more like it. the detail associates rings are 1/32", too small.
Mister Mikado what the heck--they are manufactured from wire turned into a loop with a stem--i could make 'em myself. all the online sellers charge more for shipping than the item itself. love your help guys just the same.
what the heck--they are manufactured from wire turned into a loop with a stem--i could make 'em myself. all the online sellers charge more for shipping than the item itself. love your help guys just the same.
thanks chuck! an ebayer has a photo up of some cal scale wire lift rings next to a ruler and the ring od measures about 1/32". that's the size of the proto 2000 rings. the detail associates rings are about 1/48", too small.
I'm pretty sure that the Cal Scale lift rings are slightly larger than the DA parts. I love the DA stuff, but those lift rings have gotten ridiculously expensive and you get half as many in a package. I can't imagine how many I've flung across the room over the years. I need to learn to be more careful!
Chuck - Modeling in HO scale and anything narrow gauge