hello, hope this post finds all you safe, healthy and cooler.
i ordered a pack of detail associates 1101 ho lift rings on ebay. they came today, a sealed package and they are really tiny, like they were closer to n scale, half the size of the ones on my proto 2000 ho e8 locos. i could understand a slight difference but these are definitely half the diameter of the p2ks. can anyone explain this? -rob
Don't know for certain, but the DA lift rings are probably closer to scale size.
maxman Don't know for certain, but the DA lift rings are probably closer to scale size.
thanks guys--so anyone know who sells the original proto
2000/walthers lift rings? i need 12.
Why not use the DA parts? Is there a concern that someone will see two units next to each other and comment about the lift rings being different sizes? If that's the case, I'd just show that person the door.
Mister Mikado thanks guys--so anyone know who sells the original proto 2000/walthers lift rings? i need 12.
Rich
Alton Junction
thanks for your help rich, i contacted them.
Mister Mikado thanks for your help rich, i contacted them.
I'm pretty sure that the Cal Scale lift rings are slightly larger than the DA parts. I love the DA stuff, but those lift rings have gotten ridiculously expensive and you get half as many in a package. I can't imagine how many I've flung across the room over the years. I need to learn to be more careful!
Chuck - Modeling in HO scale and anything narrow gauge
thanks chuck! an ebayer has a photo up of some cal scale wire lift rings next to a ruler and the ring od measures about 1/32". that's the size of the proto 2000 rings. the detail associates rings are about 1/48", too small.
what the heck--they are manufactured from wire turned into a loop with a stem--i could make 'em myself. all the online sellers charge more for shipping than the item itself. love your help guys just the same.
Mister Mikado what the heck--they are manufactured from wire turned into a loop with a stem--i could make 'em myself. all the online sellers charge more for shipping than the item itself. love your help guys just the same.
Mister Mikado thanks chuck! an ebayer has a photo up of some cal scale wire lift rings next to a ruler and the ring od measures 1/16". that's more like it. the detail associates rings are 1/32", too small.
thanks chuck! an ebayer has a photo up of some cal scale wire lift rings next to a ruler and the ring od measures 1/16". that's more like it. the detail associates rings are 1/32", too small.
I thought lift rings were etched from brass sheet...
no reply yet rich
Overmod I thought lift rings were etched from brass sheet...
some are brass, overmod, but cal scale fashions their #501 from .012" wire
Mister Mikadoand the ring od measures 1/16". that's more like it.
Really? A lift ring is basically an eye bolt. 1/16 inch rounds up to about 6 inches in HO. Sounds pretty hefty for something that needs to lift some sheet metal.
Wonder what the dimensions of a real diesel lift ring is?
Mister Mikado no reply yet rich
Here is the email address that I used.
partsorders@broadway-limited.com
you are correct maxman. detail associates labels their lift ring "3 1/2 inch eye bolt lift ring" which is roughly 1/32 inch in HO scale but the da's measure 1/48" and look silly and puny on an HO diesel roof--you can hardly see 'em.
now we've all gotten so used to oversized kadee #5s over the decades and never mind the fat air hose coming out of them.
richhotrain Nuts, I heard back the same day. Here is the email address that I used. partsorders@broadway-limited.com Rich
Nuts, I heard back the same day.
thanks rich, i will try it. i used their mail form letter.
Mister Mikado richhotrain Nuts, I heard back the same day. Here is the email address that I used. partsorders@broadway-limited.com Rich thanks rich, i will try it. i used their mail form letter.
sorry guys, my eyes ain't what they used to be--the proto 2000 lift rings are actually 1/32"--1/16" is incorrect--i edit-corrected my posts containing this error. the DA rings measure 1/48" and to me that's noticably too small.
Proto lift rings are huge compared to the prototype as are the Detail Associates or Cal-Scale wire lift rings. DA used to make cast brass ones that were much smaller and I really liked but I have not seen them in years. I have since found some from Yarmouth Scale Models which I now use exclusively.
https://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/Miscellaneous
Here are some engines with replacement rings for plastic or non-existent rings.
This is either the DA or Cal-Scale wire lift rings.
Here is one with the Yarmouth Scale Models lift rings.
Since I replace all Proto Plastic rings with metal replacement I have tons of the plastic ones in my scrap box if you would like some.
Rick Jesionowski
Rule 1: This is my railroad.
Rule 2: I make the rules.
Rule 3: Illuminating discussion of prototype history, equipment and operating practices is always welcome, but in the event of visitor-perceived anacronisms, detail descrepancies or operating errors, consult RULE 1!
dti406 I have since found some from Yarmouth Scale Models which I now use exclusively.
$40 minimum order, plus shipping? Ouch.
Anyway, we have one individual who feels that the DA parts are oversize, and one individual who feels they are undersize. Why can't we get along? LOL
thank you for your offer rick, you are a godsend! yes i prefer the proto 2000 lift rings (HO) -- i need to replace all 12 in my e8 that i messed up after an unsuccessful paint job. the loco is a prr brown but whatever color you can send i will appreciate.
i have a lot of spare parts too--anything you are looking for, please let me know and i'll ship them out to you!
please email me: rindsight "AT" aol.com and i'll give you my home address.
with gratitude,
rob
maxman dti406 I have since found some from Yarmouth Scale Models which I now use exclusively. $40 minimum order, plus shipping? Ouch. Anyway, we have one individual who feels that the DA parts are oversize, and one individual who feels they are undersize. Why can't we get along? LOL
Yes, but I manage to get to the $40 due to all the unique parts he offers like metal sill steps, ladders, etc. Did not use to be that way but US and Canadian postal regulations mandated the change to the $40 minimum.
richhotrain The parts people were quick, helpful and very communicative. Rich
The parts people were quick, helpful and very communicative.
rich bli parts got back to me this morning. you're right about them
being helpful! they don't normally support a non-bli loco but
they are making an exception and i'm waiting for a price.
very kind people there! -rob
ps: rick is mailing me some proto 2000 rings as well. the kindness and generosity of the forum members here is astounding, God bless you all.
Mister Mikado richhotrain The parts people were quick, helpful and very communicative. Rich rich bli parts got back to me this morning. you're right about them being helpful! they don't normally support a non-bli loco but they are making an exception and i'm waiting for a price. very kind people there! -rob ps: rick is mailing me some proto 2000 rings as well. the kindness and generousity of the forum members here is astounding, God bless you all.
ps: rick is mailing me some proto 2000 rings as well. the kindness and generousity of the forum members here is astounding, God bless you all.
Good luck.
dti406 Since I replace all Proto Plastic rings with metal replacement I have tons of the plastic ones in my scrap box if you would like some. Rick Jesionowski
hello rick, i sent my address to your email 10 days ago for you to mail me the lift rings you offered, but they still haven't arrived. (bli never contacted me) i emailed you again. hope you are ok. -rob