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Jeffrey's Track Side Diner for the month of June. This time we are exploring Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota Locked

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Posted by howmus on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 11:39 AM

SeeYou190
Bless you. I cannot imagine dealing with boys from 5th through 10th grade.

Actually.....  No worse than dealing with girls in 7th. and 8th. Grade...  LOL!!!

I taught, at one time or another, k through 12 and some college level stuff too.  Every age poses it's difficulties....Smile, Wink & GrinWhistlingLaugh

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We'll get there sooner or later! 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:01 AM

GMTRacing
Nice job masking everything off Kevin. Tedious yes but when you've paid attention to detail as you have done the result should be great.

That is a very hard thing to get people to learn about painting. If you want a good result, 90% of the time spent on the job will be prep work and cleanup, and only 10% actually spent putting paint on the surface.

The same is almost true with model railroad painting projects.

howmus
I was teaching Elementary Vocal Music, about 5th. grade many of the boys would start to go through that "Mr. Macho" stage

Bless you. I cannot imagine dealing with boys from 5th through 10th grade.

I am so glad I had girls.

-Kevin

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Posted by howmus on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 9:39 AM

OK, you guys!  Now ya did it!!!

All the talk about Iron Ore brought back memories of my teaching days..... Smile, Wink & Grin  When I was teaching Elementary Vocal Music, about 5th. grade many of the boys would start to go through that "Mr. Macho" stage (which was laughingly funny actually) and so would be convinced that only sissies sang.  So...  That meant it was time to pull out a large, thick book of Folk songs I had from around the world.  The songs I would pull out for the end of class (if they behaved) were often Chanties!  One of the ones that could convince them that singing was not only not sissy stuff but very "manly" was  The Cruise of the Bigaler A chanty of the Great lakes ore haulers.  The Bigaler had the distinction of being the slowest old tub on the lakes.  But, they still had one of the finest crews out there and a great Chantyman to lead them.

Took me a while, but I finally found it recorded on line: https://www.soundclick.com/music/songInfo.cfm?songID=3622790

Go have a listen and when the refrain comes in sing (as loud as you can) with them:

"Watch her, (stomp!) catch Her, (stomp!)  Jump up in her Juberju. Give her sheet and let 'er go; We're the lads can bring her through.  Oh don't you hear the howling of the winds a'blowin' free, on our down trip to Buffalo, from Milwaukee!"

Frankly, I did it better than the group on the recording.  Had the guys singing so loud , I more than once was visited by the principal after some other teachers called the office to say that something is wrong down the hall, lots of yelling and stomping going on!!!  When the principal came in the room he usually joined in with the class, but then told me to please shut the door when I sang stuff like this!!!  Other music teachers couldn't figure out why I was the chorus teacher around that had almost 50% boys in the elementary chorus...  Oh, we got sing stuff like that when the class was good and we got through all the "traditional" stuff we needed to get covered... Cool

Have a good one and stay safe out there!

73

Ah.....  Those were the days!

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 9:30 AM

Good morning .... 

CN went on binge of buying US railroads several years ago, and they acquired DM&IR along with Wisconsin Central and Illinois Central. CN has owned DW&P for several decades, and it was a bridge railroad connecting with CN at the border and with US railrads in Duluth. 

When I was with the railroad, CN owned Grand Trunk Corporation which owned DW&P, Grand Trunk Western, and Central Vermont. DW&P was very profitable and it offset losses of the other two railroads. DW&P served no on line industries, and all of its revenue was from traffic to and from Canada. 

In the 1970's, an interstate highway was being built through Duluth, and DW&P facilities were moved to a location in Wisconsin very near Duluth. The new location was (if I can remember the spelling) Pokegama. They built a small classification yard, a modern locomotive shop, and offices. I had business trips to Duluth in the 1980's and saw the new facilities.  

I recall a three-way power swap of the three GTC railroads.  GTW SD40's became DW&P units. DW&P RS11's became CV units. CV GP9's became GTW units. This was done mostly because the SD40's were needed to run-through into Canada on the CN which also used SD40's for this service. 

 

Ulrich ....LOL ... I think 228 years ago, the early settlers ate squirrels and rabbits more than chicken. However, Col. Sanders probably thought it would be easier to sell chicken in a chain of fast food restaurants. Smile

 

Everybody .... Have a good Tuesday. 

 

 

GARRY

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Posted by Track fiddler on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 6:55 AM

Good morning.

Thanks for the CN Ore Dock photos Dave.

We went under them about 3-4 years ago.  They had a spot in the parking lot for tourists to read information.  We talked to some railroad workers returning to work.

 

P.S.   Thanks for the congrats on my Silver Streak purchase Garry, Dave, Mike, UlrichSmile, Wink & Grin and have a great day everyone.

 

 

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Posted by GMTRacing on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 6:44 AM

Good Morning All,

   Mid 40's and sunny today. No complaints from me.

   Still working on the access road and lot for Sperry along with the drainage ditch I put in between it and the corner building. Trying not to spend hours detailing a ditch no one will be able to see but I'm failing. Trying realistic water in the bottom - we'll see if that works better than the two part epoxy I used before. If it does i will try it over some of the other water I put down because I don't think it ever really dried properly.

Nice job masking everything off Kevin. Tedious yes but when you've paid attention to detail as you have done the result should be great.

Those ore docks and the ships are impressive. Are they still in regular use? I know the ones in upstate New York are mostly abandoned.  

   Another busy day lined up for the shop. I'll catch y'all later.  Ciao, J.R.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 6:34 AM

Wow, a Kato! Nice score TF. Yes  Now your going to have to show us a video of it running on your layout.

Nice video Dave of the ship loading.  Talk about everything massive!

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 5:15 AM

Heartland Division CB&Q
One June 1, 1793, Kentucky became the 15th State of the Union. Happy 228th birthday, Kentucky !

And that was the day Kentucky fried chicken was invented! It just so happened that the people of Kentucky celebrated the statehood with bonfires and fireworks. One of the rockets fell into a chicken coop - the rest is history!

Nice catch - TF!

Happy times!

Ulrich (aka The Tin Man)

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 1:21 AM

Here are some pictures of the ore loading docks in Duluth. The first shows the all timber docks circa 1898:

This is circa 1915. The docks have been radically expanded to handle the higher volumes

:

The ore docks in 2013:

Here is a video of a lake boat being loaded at Duluth:

More to come!

Dave

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 12:06 AM

Track fiddler
Burlington's Silver Streak is on Its way.

Nice score TF!

Dave

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 11:37 PM

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You're the one that made me decide Garry.

Burlington's Silver Streak is on Its way.

I got to tell you it's been a long time since I purchase something from eBay.

I don't regret it for a moment!

Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor were on this trainLaugh

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 11:26 PM

I pushed the button

As directed from you my friends

The Burlington Silver Streak they say will be to me in 3 days

I don't believe that for a minute,  I will try two weeksWhistlingLaugh

 

 

TF

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, June 1, 2020 11:10 PM

I spent the entire day taping off things on the garage wall getting ready for some paint. I also put protective cardboard on the floor over the new tile.

What tedious work!

-Kevin

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 11:00 PM

OK, ... Um ... Well.

OK,  I think I got it.

PayPal.

God they add tax now?

 

OK  I got the Burlington Silver Streak Set.

 

 

Thanks  TF .......Big Smile

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, June 1, 2020 10:48 PM

TF .... Just push the button .... You will love the train... I wish they made it in HO. 

GARRY

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 10:31 PM

LaughLaughLaugh

Dang Garry,  Now I don't know if I have the right one in my cart!  You may want to clarify things if you haven't alreadyLaugh

 

P.S.  Honda's had front wheel drive in the late 70s early 80s and I got to drive one of those puppies cross the frozen lake and they were really something else.

 

I'm waiting for Garry but I think I'm going to push the buttonLaugh  It's Only MoneyWhistling

 

Funny you mention that Charlie.  The devil made me do it has not ever worked for me before but it could this timeLaugh

 

It's always worth a shot!

 

 

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Posted by CNCharlie on Monday, June 1, 2020 10:30 PM

Good Evening,

Go ahead TF, press that button! If your wife asks, just say the devil made me do it. 

Mr. B, good guess on the Swedish cars for ice racing but it would have been Saabs as Volvo didn't have a front drive car until 1992. 

Well it did hit 32C which is about 88F here today. 

Not a good day as my wife isn't feeling well and I'll just leave it at that. 

Nothing on the agenda this week except maybe a little yard work. We have a lot of flowers to plant but that is what my wife usually does. I may have to do it but I'm sure it won't be done right. 

Think I'll go back downstairs and watch TV a little longer. I seem to spend most of my time down there lately. 

CN Charlie

 

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, June 1, 2020 10:25 PM

Track fiddler

The Burlington Route Silver Streak Garry.

I have one of those parked in my cart for $169 on eBay free shipping. 

The locomotive and all the passenger cars in a set brand new.  It's breaking my heart I'm not spending money right now.

I have come so close to pushing the PayPal buttonTongue Tied

 

Push the butt! ... SadTongue TiedIndifferent

 

 

WhistlingLaughTF

 

 

TF ..... I won't tell if you use some of your $1200 check from Uncle Sam to buy it. If I recall correctly, the Silver Streak Zephyr ran between Kansas City and Omaha. 

GARRY

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 10:02 PM

The Burlington Route Silver Streak Garry.

I have one of those parked in my cart for $169 on eBay free shipping. 

The locomotive and all the passenger cars in a set brand new.  It's breaking my heart I'm not spending money right now.

I have come so close to pushing the PayPal buttonTongue Tied

 

Push the butt! ... SadTongue TiedIndifferent

 

 

WhistlingLaughTF

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, June 1, 2020 9:36 PM

Good evening .... 

Dave ..... A huge THANK YOU  for starting the June Diner !  

Henry ... Thank you for the chocolate eclair. Yummy! 

Ken ..... I saw your post about your broken rib and having pneumonia. That must be awful Coughing must hurt. Prayers for you.  

There is much to talk about regarding MN, ND, and SD. 

I see you are already talking about Duluth, DM&IR, and DW&P. There is a lot of train action in the Twin Cities, of course. Looking at northwest ND, we can talk about crude oil trains originating there and also the border connection with Soo Line and Canadian Pacific.  In southwest SD, there is the Badlands, Rapid CIty, Mt. Rushmore, ....... and of course, the Deadwood Branch of the CB&Q ! 

In my younger days, I rode on the Burlington Twin Cities Zephyr and the Milwaukee Road Hiawtha beween Chicago, IL and St Paul, MN . (I grew up near Chicago) . 

Burlington's passenger trains between Chicago and the Twin Cities were the Zephyrs, the overnight Blackhawk, GN Empire Builder, GN Western Star, NP North Coast Limited, and NP Mainstreeter. ... The Western Star amd the Maintreeter were combined with the Blackhawk. .... Sometimes, the Empire Builder and/or the North Coast LImited were combined with the Twin Cities Zephyr..... There were two Twin Cities Zephyrs in each direction every day. 

Here is a picture of the Twin Cities Zephyr. It had dome cars, and it had a schedule with 90 mph runnning. 

 

Other info ..... On June 1, 1793, Kentucky became the 15th State of the Union. Happy 228th birthday, Kentucky ! 

GARRY

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 9:18 PM

mbinsewi

Thats the way the sturgeon spearing works, on Lake Winnebago, WI.  I've never done it.

 

 

If you have it in your means.  If you have friends that participate in the sport that you can meet up with.

I would highly recommend it as the adrenaline rush is so, ... I can't even describe when that great big fish appears in the rectangle.  It's a jolt!  You do have to go experience itYes

 

Fish are curious and so am I.  What I can't believe is when you miss they do come back!  They can't see you!

 

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, June 1, 2020 8:45 PM

Track fiddler
You chain saw a rectangle in the ice in the middle of your ice house.  The illumination of the Sun going through the ice into your dark ice house.

Thats the way the sturgeon spearing works, on Lake Winnebago, WI.  I've never done it.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 8:19 PM

Post-hog

You know I am going to keep my stories to a minimum.

My travel from the Kabetogama State Forest to Orr Minnesota of my high school took an hour and 20 minutes in the morning and an hour and 20 minutes to home.  The drive was 35 minutes in a car but in the school bus and all the stops to pick up and drop off kids was an hour and 20 minutes.

If no one on the bus was playing cards I got my homework done on the bus.  We usually didnt play cards in the morning but sometimes we did.  On the way home from school we always played cards.  Usually Hearts, Jick, Jack, high, low and shoot the Moon.  We played partners, believe me we all had our secret signals.  Sometimes we played Spades.  I never liked Spades so well,  I usually sat out and did my homework.

Thore the bus driver often stopped in the small town of Cusson to talk to the bar owner for a few minutes.  We always liked it because we could get off the bus and have a cigarette.  Thore didn't care.

I do remember one time the cusson bar owner showed Thore a railroad lantern that had DWP on it.  I remember listening to the story.  The bar owner told Thore almost every night when he heard the train he would go out and wave just before bar close.

One day the morning DWP engineer stopped the train when he saw the bar owner and walked across the highway and handed him the railroad lamp and said the night engineer wanted to give this to you.

What's ironic about this story is I've seen it happen more than once later when I lived in Prior Lake.

Later on when Thore stopped the bus to talk to the cusson bar owner,  I heard him tell Thore he waved the railroad Lantern when the night engineer went by.  And he said the night engineer blew the horn at him and waved.

 

 

TF

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 7:19 PM

Chocolate eclairs, Yes!  Oh for sure Henry.  Cream puffs with that light fluffy pastry even better. 

Either one,  You know when you got a really good one when you have a mess all over your face after you eat one.

After that I always feel fortunate if I'm near a sink and I can just run the water and take my two hands and go blah blah blah and wash all the messy remnants stuck to my face offLaugh

 

Give me another one please!

 

 

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Posted by drciesel on Monday, June 1, 2020 7:03 PM

Track fiddler

Post-hog

Judy's half sister just called from New Orleans.  The news is hurricane season could start as soon as this Saturday.  Hopefully not.

 

 

TF

 

We know hurricane season always starts June 1st, here in south Louisiana (and elsewhere).  Not a bulletin.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, June 1, 2020 6:59 PM

Hurricane season is the original fake news.  Every year we are supposed to have 6 storms of the century plus another dozen.  Stay tuned at 11 for the latest update.

Top of the page again.  Since Tang wasn't a hit, how about chocolate eclairs, all around.

Henry

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 6:47 PM

Post-hog

Judy's half sister just called from New Orleans.  The news is hurricane season could start as soon as this Saturday.  Hopefully not.

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 5:48 PM

MisterBeasley

I remember taking in two Minnesota activities.  The first was ice fishing.  We sat out in a small shed with a heater, drank beer and fished through a hole in the ice.  I thought it was a lot of fun.  

 

 

LaughLaugh

It is lot of fun Mister B.  I go out with my friends every year.  The sport has evolved over the years since I remember in the beginning.  Most ice fishing houses have four to six holes depending on the size of them. 

Now-a-days, although the fishing is fun when they're biting,  it's just a good excuse to get a break from the wife to go out and do some male bonding.  We have a poker table in the middle of the ice fishing house with bells on the lines in case someone gets a bite, we don't really pay attention to the fishing unless we hear a bell.

It's all about the potluck of the dish that everybody brings out to eat, the beer, the cards and the diceYes

I don't know about now since the fishing problem of the lake but I have seen pictures.  Milacs Lake has Ice Fishers that are so serious they have upstairs sleeping rooms in their ice houses, kitchen and a bathroomLaugh 

 

P.S.   The one I really like that is quite a serious ice sport to me is Spearing.  I went out every year when I lived up by the Canadian border but I've only gone a few times since then.  This sport is really fun. You have to be on the right Lake for it.  For me now that means travel.  

You chain saw a rectangle in the ice in the middle of your ice house.  The illumination of the Sun going through the ice into your dark ice house.  You can see the fish come up but they can't see you.  The adrenaline of a Big Muskie or Northern coming up to see your little lure your bobbing around startles you as you throw your spear in to snag that big fish.  Talk about fun.

 

 

TF 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, June 1, 2020 5:10 PM

Good evening

Well let me see what I can do with some of the history of DWP and some other things that I remember growing up near the railroad.

DWP actually originated from the 1800s as the railroad was a logging type of railroad and logging White Pines for milling building materials near Duluth and Viginia Minnesota.

I know it was Cook that later teamed up with O'Brien that owned the DV&RL Duluth Virginia and Rainy Lake Railroad.  This bit of History does stick out in my head as we had two towns named after these historical men where I grew up. 

I do believe this railroad was made up from  Duluth and Iron Range, Duluth Minnesota and Northern, Duluth Rainy Lake and Winnipeg.  I may have some facts twisted and turned around here as I never was really good at retaining history.  I do know Cook and O'Brien did very well for themselves in the Logging Railroad business.

It was Canadian Northern as it was called back then that saw potential and bought out these two logging tycoons to start a railroad going from Canada to Duluth, this was known as the Peg.  DWP became founded in the early 1900s out of all this.

Since these early days Canadian National has purchased DMIR and Wisconsin Central and has a route going all the way to Chicago.  I'm sure you probably see older DWP locomotives still in service along with CN but I don't think any new DWP locomotives are painted.  I hear the same with DMIR that the CN locomotives are orange up there.

I also have life experience of childhood memories of DWP growing up but I wont try to fit everything into one post as sometimes posting from a phone times out and everything disappears into Oblivion.

 

WinkThanks  TF

 

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Monday, June 1, 2020 4:55 PM

A long time ago, I was visiting her parents with an ex girlfriend.  I remember taking in two Minnesota activities.  The first was ice fishing.  We sat out in a small shed with a heater, drank beer and fished through a hole in the ice.  I thought it was a lot of fun.  The other was ice racing.  These were car races on frozen lakes.  I think they used mostly Volvos, because they were the available vehicles with front wheel drive.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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