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ACY Tom 2. Pullman Standard 14-4 sleepers were operated by several railroads. MoPac, T&P, SL-SF, and MKT 14-4's operated through to the East on B&O and PRR, and the B&O 14-4's were sometimes seen on those Southwestern roads in run-through service. P-S 14-4's were also operated by Southern, KCS, and I believe others. 3. The PRR Broadway Limited has been done, but some of the cars, such as The Broadway's observation cars and lounge cars, were unique to that train. A much more flexible car is the 2 DR, 1CPT, 1BR obs lounges assigned to the Cincinnati Limited, the Spirit of Saint Louis, and the Washington to Chicago Liberty Limited. These were named for Presidents of the PRR. These trains also used PRR 6BR lounges in the ...Falls series, rather than the unique Broadway Limited lounge car previously produced. Just producing those two cars --- the "PRR President" obs and the "Falls" lounge, in conjunction with reissues of the previously produced companion cars, would allow modelers to operate three additional PRR name trains. Adding the L&N road name to the 4140 sleeper, which was available in the past, would fill out the Cincinnati Limited consist nicely.
2. Pullman Standard 14-4 sleepers were operated by several railroads. MoPac, T&P, SL-SF, and MKT 14-4's operated through to the East on B&O and PRR, and the B&O 14-4's were sometimes seen on those Southwestern roads in run-through service. P-S 14-4's were also operated by Southern, KCS, and I believe others.
3. The PRR Broadway Limited has been done, but some of the cars, such as The Broadway's observation cars and lounge cars, were unique to that train. A much more flexible car is the 2 DR, 1CPT, 1BR obs lounges assigned to the Cincinnati Limited, the Spirit of Saint Louis, and the Washington to Chicago Liberty Limited. These were named for Presidents of the PRR. These trains also used PRR 6BR lounges in the ...Falls series, rather than the unique Broadway Limited lounge car previously produced. Just producing those two cars --- the "PRR President" obs and the "Falls" lounge, in conjunction with reissues of the previously produced companion cars, would allow modelers to operate three additional PRR name trains. Adding the L&N road name to the 4140 sleeper, which was available in the past, would fill out the Cincinnati Limited consist nicely.
Long time reader and seldom participant but I thought I would chime in on this one. I have accumulated 12 Walthers Broadway Limited cars (10 from the '52 set and 2 from the '60 set). Yet I do not model the Broadway Limited. The 10-6, 21 Roomette, Duplex were popular with so many other PRR trains. I picked these cars up to model a number of other PRR trains.
It would be interesting if Walthers could do a mix bag of sorts with a 10-12 car production that make up 2-3 different trains (rather than 1 specific train) based on the combination of specific cars.
Mheetu This might be a long shot but i am going try it What are the chances of seeing walther do something like the Central Railroad of New Jersey " The Blue Comet" mind you i am not sure if they would have the 4-6-2 G3a but i wonder did the Blue comet ever use the F units
This might be a long shot but i am going try it
What are the chances of seeing walther do something like the Central Railroad of New Jersey " The Blue Comet" mind you i am not sure if they would have the 4-6-2 G3a but i wonder did the Blue comet ever use the F units
The Blue Comet fizzled before the diesels came out, and the F.s were freight units.
Dave
Just be glad you don't have to press "2" for English.
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With only a few exceptions, the most likely candidates have been done. A name train needs to have a very broad appeal to justify the expense of tooling up for production, and not too many trains have that appeal. Several Santa Fe trains do. The North Coast Limited, Empire Builder, CZ, and Overland trains operated over several different railroads to get where they were going, so they might appeal to modelers of several roads. With the exception of the NCL, these have been pretty well covered. Such roads as PRR, NYC, and B&O operated in fairly populous parts of the country, so they would be popular. For the most part, they have been covered. But there are gaps that could be filled by individual cars, and I do wish those individual cars would be produced.
Some examples:
1. The Walthers B&O Capitol Limited represents the train as it operated in the mid 1950's to mid 1960's, with coaches from the Columbian and 10-6 sleepers obtained in the early 1950's. I have often wished Walthers had produced the Columbian diner and observation car, as well as the 14-4 sleeper that operated on the Columbian.
4. For my part, I'd like for Walthers to re-release the Santa Fe "Vista" series observation car. I don't model the Santa Fe, but need the car for a conversion to something else. They just don't seem to be very easy to find.
Tom
ATLANTIC CENTRAL I'm not allowed to comment here, because I won't be buying in any case..... But if I did (suggest or buy), how about some earlier "streamlined" B&O trains? Oh, that won't happen, those trains were all heavyweight rebuilds from the B&O shops that are truely unique to the B&O, don't expect that tooling in plastic would ever pay for itself. But my roster is full at about 200 passenger cars........some I need to finish building yet..... Sheldon
I'm not allowed to comment here, because I won't be buying in any case.....
But if I did (suggest or buy), how about some earlier "streamlined" B&O trains?
Oh, that won't happen, those trains were all heavyweight rebuilds from the B&O shops that are truely unique to the B&O, don't expect that tooling in plastic would ever pay for itself.
But my roster is full at about 200 passenger cars........some I need to finish building yet.....
Sheldon
If rebuilt heavyweight cars is a disqualifier, they wouldn’t have included the Panama Limited which had several heavyweight cars that were rebuilt into streamlined cars in the IC Burnside shops. They retained their 3 axle trucks.
Jeff White
Alma, IL
ATLANTIC CENTRALBut if I did (suggest or buy), how about some earlier "streamlined" B&O trains?
Anytime these "I'd like to see" kinds of threads come up I also put my 2¢ in for some "betterment" cars. Walthers DID dip their toe into the "modernized" pool just a bit with their B&O coach and to some extent the baggage car.
B&O_coach1 by Edmund, on Flickr
The coach was probably available some ten years ago and I don't believe has been run ever since.
The baggage car below was more recent, say in the past year or two.
B&O_Baggage by Edmund, on Flickr
Still, that leaves a big void if you are also a PRR, Erie, Nickel Plate, Monon or — several other roads that I cant think of at the moment — modeler.
I did snag a brass Keystone Banks modernized PRR Pullman a few years back. Sure could use a few more like it.
Keystone_Banks by Edmund, on Flickr
Regards, Ed
Streamliners sell better than heavyweights.
Just ask the real railroads, who spent a good bit of money on them. And it's not just because they were lightweights. The B&O, for example made their own streamliners from heavyweights, at no significant weight savings.
Or ask the railroading public, from back in the day. The ones the railroads were trying to please.
Lightweights are prettier: Brighter and more varied colors, better graphics, less bumps on the cars for no visual reason at all........
Also, newer is generally more popular than older. Do ya notice that our manufacturers are selling models of locomotives that are just a "kupla" years old. And NOT 4-4-0's from the 1800's. That's because they sell better.
That's just the way it is.
Ed
PS: I expect I have more passenger heavyweight cars than most modelers have ALL passenger. A quick count reveals 80. Very approximately. And there is a list of others I would purchase. If you are in a position to build them, brass or plastic, please contact me for my list.
Every year I suggest the 1940 IC City of Miami. A 7 car all coach train pulled by an E6. The original paint was beautiful. The E6's that were factory painted in that scheme bring a premium on eBay every time one is listed.
The City of Miami was repainted in standard IC orange and brown in my era, but I'd buy and run one anyway.
How about doing Santa Fe's "Chief?"
It was an economy streamliner.
What they ought to do is a named train that was a mix of heavyweights and lightweights like SP’s “West Coast”, “Owl” or “Overland” (also UP, C&NW), Santa Fe’s “Grand Canyon”, to name a few. When I was a really young kid, I recall taking D&RGW’s “Royal Gorge” from Denver to Colorado Springs to visit an aunt and uncle. IIRC, The consist was a mix of light and heavyweight cars.
Andre
Do another run of the Hi-Level El Capitan!
I would like to see NYC's New England States and PRR's Congressional Ltd/Senator of the mid-1960s.
I'd appreciate it if they did a CNR Super Continental dining car. Rapido came to a dead stop on that one......
coachrider Big vote for the North Coast Limited. Been prodding Walthers, even Rapido to do this beautiful train. Broadway Limited is doing a run of Lowey, and Athearn has told me they would be open to another fun of NP Fs, so maybe time is right!!
Big vote for the North Coast Limited. Been prodding Walthers, even Rapido to do this beautiful train. Broadway Limited is doing a run of Lowey, and Athearn has told me they would be open to another fun of NP Fs, so maybe time is right!!
None of the North Coast Limited cars had corrugated sides. How is BLI going to deal with that?
The NCL is such an obvious train for Walthers to do. I have wondered for years why they don't.
My suspicion is it's based on the paint colors.
Remember, Walthers did a pretty bad job on their green and orange Empire Builder. And they have certainly been aprised of that, more than once. Now consider the NCL. What color of each green would they use:
The same as the NP car(s) they've already done?
The same as the cars that have been done by W&R?
The same as the cars done by Challenger?
The same as the colors that have been developed by the NPRHS?
Or, heaven forbid, the same as done by Athearn on their F's? (not likely)
(And now, BLI?)
Whichever they pick, SOMEONE will be in a bad mood. And not too many manufacturers want their potential customers in a bad mood.
ATSFGuy So Walthers is doing an NYC Train, what's the name?
So Walthers is doing an NYC Train, what's the name?
If Walthers making a NYC diesel means they're going to make a NYC train, what does it mean that they're making CB&Q diesels ahead of the NYC?
Or, in other words, when's the CB&Q train coming?
The Jet ClipperI got to see the November Flyer early, and I saw new E units for preorders. The future looks bright! :)
The future looks bright! :)
And— I see they're going to use Loksound Select decoders!
https://www.walthers.com/emd-e8a-a-set-loksound-select-dcc-sound-new-york-central-1-2
I hope the mention of Black paint is a typo. You can clearly see in their supplied photo, NYC's simplified passenger scheme was dark gray, although they DID try one experimental, all black, E unit.
Cheers,
The Jet Clipper Well, what do you guys think? Some of these may not make sense, but they are only theories after all. Walthers may just announce the North Coast Limited or a rerun of the 20th Century Limited, but maybe they will do one of the trains I listed. One can only hope...
Well, what do you guys think? Some of these may not make sense, but they are only theories after all. Walthers may just announce the North Coast Limited or a rerun of the 20th Century Limited, but maybe they will do one of the trains I listed. One can only hope...
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Rich
Alton Junction
I would probably buy the KCS Southern Belle Observation Car because there's one right up the street from my house.
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Steve
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!
Cuyama:
Look what Kato did with Coast Daylight and the Braodway Limited in N scale. Walthers did it with the City Of Los Angeles, they produced the correct cars for the train. They could do the same with the Lark, baggage express, 60 foot RPO, 13 sleeping cars, the triple diner, and the 2-1-1-Cafe Observation.
How about the Silver Meteor or Silver Star?
Jimmy_Braum Or City of New Orleans?
I'd go for that one.
Of course, I still suffer from small-radius curves so these name-trains that need wide curves will never run on my layout.
A few weeks back, I was on the Cape Cod Railway, a scenic railroad out of Hyannis, Massachusetts, that also runs lunch and dinner trains for us "trainiacs," as they call us. We took a lunch train, and had the incredible luck to be seated on the "Cape Codder," with only about 10 seats for diners. It was a beautifully restored parlor car, with a bar and a small amount of table seating. The car, we were told, was 100 years old this year and originally ran on the Illinois Central, as part of the consist for City of New Orleans.
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.
caldreamerI would like to see the Southern Pacific Lark. Its two tone grey cars are nifty.
If you still model in N scale, the KATO Lark train sets are available via eBay and other resale channels. Not perfect renditions of some of the cars, but pretty close.
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I’m with you, Eric. I’d even settle for PA-1s! Back around 1970s when I was in junior high school, I started building the Diamond with Athearn PAs and the old Walthers‘ wood and metal passenger car kits. The PRR diner and two modernized coaches, all lettered for the LV, was as far as I got.
I would like to see the Southern Pacific Lark. Its two tone grey cars are nifty. An all sleeper train that complemented the Daylight trains. Left San Francisco and Los Angeles at 9 PM and arrived at its destiantion at 8:30 AM.