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Model Railroading Cliches, Logical Fallacies & Just Plain Unprototypicality

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Model Railroading Cliches, Logical Fallacies & Just Plain Unprototypicality
Posted by SovietP36 on Thursday, June 9, 2016 8:08 PM

Because why not?

My modeling cliches & logical fallacies are clearly identifiable backdrops from Walthers and buildings with no "little-people" acess around to their sides and backs. 

My J.P.U. is this.-- well, just look at those atrocious archbar trucks & that molded detail, not to mention the doorsIck!!

(Please do not get all defensive & apologetic, Tri-ang collectors, I am talking from a modeling standpoint, though there is also a fine line between toy-like and just plain ugly.

Can you think of any more of these sorts of things to turn into posting material?

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Posted by Steven S on Thursday, June 9, 2016 8:44 PM

Probably the single biggest cliche is the burning building.  Close behind are the hobo campfire and carnival.

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, June 9, 2016 9:15 PM

How about locomotive smoke?

That ought to light the discussion up a bit!DevilSmile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by gmpullman on Thursday, June 9, 2016 9:37 PM

hon30critter
That ought to light the discussion up a bit!

If that doesn't... this will!

How about the big chunk of bent pipe sticking out of the bottom of the coupler?

Don't read me wrong—I love and exclusively use Kadee's excellent products—but it seems amusing to see a superbly detailed model with everything on it accurately scale-sized and then you see that big chunk of 3" steel pipe sticking out of the bottom of the coupler Whistling

Personally, I clip all mine off. 

Have FUN, Ed

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:00 PM

Ed:

I don't have a layout yet so I haven't made a final decision on how I'm going to uncouple cars, but if I can do away with the "3 inch pipe" I gladly will.

Dave

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Posted by DAVID FORTNEY on Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:16 PM

Steven S

Probably the single biggest cliche is the burning building.  Close behind are the hobo campfire and carnival.

 

Steve S

 

Hey! I have burning building, now I'm thinking of adding smoke. 

I also like smoke in my steam engines, guess I love cliches but I am having fun.

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Posted by charlie9 on Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:24 PM

What??  Having fun by doing stuff that others might not like or agree with???  How insensitive can you get? !!!

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Posted by NittanyLion on Thursday, June 9, 2016 11:04 PM

I'm always bothered by engineering impossibilities.  The rabbit warren mountain, for example.  You know exactly what I'm describing.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, June 10, 2016 3:20 AM

While I've many laughable things in various photos and club and home layout visits one thing that troubles me the most is a modeler builds a beautiful water fall only to have it to end in a  pool the size of a farm pond. It would look better if the water continued to flow off layout.

Those cutesy pie industry names may sound funny but,it kills any believability. Even the real Warps Pastics has been the blunt of many jokes.

 

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Posted by E-L man tom on Friday, June 10, 2016 1:36 PM

You mean no one has a version of the Red Wing Milling kit on their layout?? Mine's still in the box, probably will never build it. I see it on so many layouts, seems I see it in my sleep!

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Posted by chutton01 on Friday, June 10, 2016 1:49 PM

Steven S
Probably the single biggest cliche is the burning building.  Close behind are the hobo campfire and carnival.


I also dislike the burning building ("IRS" or not), but I suppose it gives those who love modeling emergency vehicles a good scene to use them, beyond the usual vehicle accident scenario.

Now, in most US cities there are homeless camps (by the tracks or under the expressways or in vacant lots) made of old tents, cardboard, worn plywood sheets and pallets, etc.,  and often enough in cold weather a few steel drums with burning wood & paper used as "campfires". Have been for decades now.  Heck, if you model 1970s/early 80s New York, you almost have to have a homeperson person wrapped in a worn blanket, with a stolen shopping cart containing their possession by their side.

As for carnivals, this can work too - I think Faller has some concession stand trailers, but if they made their rides smaller & based them on trailer hauled ones, then we be able to duplicate the hundreds of street fairs that pop up all over the tri-state NY area in the good weather (local church/parish fairs, set up in their parking lot) as well.

OTOH, please - no more pre-packages silly scenarios like dinosaurs (live ones, not big statutes), alien landings, bears stalking pooping hunters, and all that lot. Also add me to the "don't like punny names" list.

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Posted by azrail on Friday, June 10, 2016 2:35 PM

Having saloons and breweries on a 1920s layout...that was the prohibition era in the US.

Having the "poster" billboards (the framed ones) not matching the era of your model RR - those were frequently changed.

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Posted by DAVID FORTNEY on Friday, June 10, 2016 2:46 PM

I saw a layout 20x35 some years ago that had hand laid track done with utmost care. Brass steam locomotives painted and detailed to death along with his freight and passenger cars. It was set up for operations on a big scale. It was something to see. It also ran like a fine Rolex.

Only one problem, he never added scenery and only a few buildings.  He thought the scenery took away from his fine modeling.  

Not my cup of tea but he did it his way, is it wrong? No IMO. Was he a modeler? Yes again IMO.

So if you like burning buildings, goofy names, smoke in your steam engines or running non-prototypical names and engines, go for it. 

It comes down to what you like no matter how much or how little you spend. I do it my way and I have nobody to please but myself.

Bottom line is to have fun if your fully prototypical or just having fun.   

 

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Posted by DAVID FORTNEY on Friday, June 10, 2016 2:58 PM

azrail

Having saloons and breweries on a 1920s layout...that was the prohibition era in the US.

Having the "poster" billboards (the framed ones) not matching the era of your model RR - those were frequently changed.

 

Not entirely true. My grandfather owned a bar from around 1918 to the 1940's. Of course during prohibition he kept his bar open but only served non-alcoholic beverages legally. 

He also served alcoholic beverages to special clients from as he called his own private stash.

Breweries may have closed but they opened back up as the law changed. 

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Posted by Milepost 266.2 on Friday, June 10, 2016 3:55 PM

E-L man tom

You mean no one has a version of the Red Wing Milling kit on their layout?? Mine's still in the box, probably will never build it. I see it on so many layouts, seems I see it in my sleep!

 

 

Maybe they're too busy building their New River Mine.

Nice kit, but enough is enough.

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Posted by Milepost 266.2 on Friday, June 10, 2016 3:57 PM

chutton01

  Also add me to the "don't like punny names" list.

 

 

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Posted by Mark R. on Friday, June 10, 2016 4:09 PM

For me, the car pulled over by a cop with the flashing lights has grown old. Probably because it's a ten minute scene that is there forever.

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Posted by JoeinPA on Friday, June 10, 2016 4:46 PM

How about the ever popular figure eight over and under track layout.

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Posted by ctyclsscs on Friday, June 10, 2016 5:55 PM

I've always liked (which I am guilty of, too) industries with no parking lots or roads for employees to be able to get to work.. 

I know...they're all around the back.  : )

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Posted by John Busby on Friday, June 10, 2016 9:19 PM

Hi NittanyLion

Well blame the pesky Red Coats for that they built the first one it is called the Darjeeling Himalayan RailwayBig Smile

It has many of the features for real that are in exactly what your describing

Those on the slimmer gauges tend to over do at times but they are very popular with the childeren at model exhibitions.

regards John

 

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Posted by John Busby on Friday, June 10, 2016 9:34 PM

Hi all

Moving into the present day I think the train photographer with working flash is going to become one of the old hat things often placed in not quite the right spot.

These are starting to become common on exhibition layouts.

regards John

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, June 11, 2016 2:12 AM

azrail
Having saloons and breweries on a 1920s layout...that was the prohibition era in the US.

Maybe the Northside and Southside Gangs in Chicago would have something to say about that. They made  millions selling bootleg beer and whiskey to saloons during the prohibition.

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Posted by Catt on Saturday, June 11, 2016 6:43 AM

Red Wing Milling and New River Mine are not kits.They are prepackaged Kit bashing and scratchbuilding supplies.

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Posted by dknelson on Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:18 AM

It might be time to put the various "Miracle" factory names cliche to rest (Miracle Chair Company.  "If It's A Good Chair, It's A Miracle" and so on). 

There was a cartoon decades back in MR showing two railroad employees, brakemen perhaps, and one has his arm in a sling.  He is saying "It looked like a grab iron but it was nothing but a nasty ridge of plastic!"  Cast on ladders and grabs are certain a time honored compromise/cliche. And in a sense they were step backwards: before plastic the metal and wood kits had separate ladders and grab irons.  Athearn metal kits had far more realistic and prototypical sized stirrup steps than did the plastic kits that came after them.  Indeed it could be argued that it is only in the last 15 or so years that stirrup steps have bettered what the Athearn metal kits had in 1950.

I am surprised this one has not become a new layout cliche - seen on a modular layout at the Madison WI train show a few years back:

A donut shot surrounded by a huge parking lot. ....  Every car in the parking lot is a police car.

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Posted by John Busby on Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:51 AM

Hi dknelson

The reason its not going to become a new cliche is because depending on your point of view it's iether an old one or a current oneBig Smile

The cops and donut thing has been done in many variations.

Well I think your going to hate a mate of mine.

He is going to do a variation on the police and donut store.

That being the store being held up and a total police overkill attendance

SWAT teams, ordinary plods, police chopper the lot.

I don't think the crim is going to survive that hold up iether that or it going to be a ten to life stretch in the slamer.

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Posted by jecorbett on Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:58 AM

Steven S

Probably the single biggest cliche is the burning building.  Close behind are the hobo campfire and carnival.

 

Steve S

 

I look at the burning building this way. A building is only going to burn for one day. Unless you are going to model a specific day over and over again (and I've read about modelers who do), it really strains reality to have the same building on fire day after day. It might make an interesting feature on a diorama but I wouldn't put one on my layout. For those that do, well, it's your railroad.

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Posted by G Paine on Saturday, June 11, 2016 11:03 AM

The dog & fire hydrant

Police car behind a billboard

George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch 

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Posted by DAVID FORTNEY on Saturday, June 11, 2016 11:03 AM

I think allot of you guys are missing the point. Allot of the things listed is what makes up a layout. Some are funny, and some are not but we are putting our own touches to our layouts that make them special to each one of us. 

No need to make fun of what some people do just because you may not like it. 

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Saturday, June 11, 2016 11:05 AM

The old "fantasy" paint on locomotives, where an old, no longer existing, railroad has brand new power painted in their scheme and name. 

Yes, you all know which manufacturer I am referring too.

Yes, I am guilty of this as well. Big Smile 

(So what if Erie Lackawanna never lasted long enough to own ES44AC's, that is a "heritage" unit on my railroad! Whistling Smile)

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Posted by PRR8259 on Saturday, June 11, 2016 11:33 AM

I'm not Catholic but I must go to confession:

I have committed the unpardonable sin of running brand new Tangent Scale Models Penn Central G43C gondolas behind HO brass (non-excursion) steam power.  I've further compounded the unpardonable sin by running Tangent ICG orange covered hoppers behind the brass steam, too.

I had at least privately said I'd never run anything Penn Central behind steam, because we all know most U.S. steam was gone from actual revenue service by about 11 years before...

I can remember the 1970's freight cars, and I just like them...the diesels of that era, I can only vaguely remember.  Saw Reading big Alco's once when we drove past Reading and Allentown/Bethlehem on vacation.  That's my only memory of them.

John

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