Were these supposed to be models of oil burners since they had no tenders for coal ?
If so was one tank for water and the other for oil ?
TIA
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C&O Fan Were these supposed to be models of oil burners since they had no tenders for coal ? If so was one tank for water and the other for oil ? TIA
The tanks on the side was for water..There was either a coal,wood or oil bunker behind the cab.
Of course there was the fireless 0-6-0Ts that used stored steam in their side tanks.The tanks was filled from a steam pipe outside a boiler house.The" fireman" would connect the steam hose to one tank and then turn on a vavle and steam was forced into the tanks.
Larry
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This is my Bachmann 0-6-0T:
You can see the coal bunker at the very rear of the engine, behind the cab. Yes, it's very small, but these were not road engines. They would be "captive" in a small area, which would have to have a small service facility so the coal and water could be serviced frequently.
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MisterBeasley This is my Bachmann 0-6-0T: You can see the coal bunker at the very rear of the engine, behind the cab. Yes, it's very small, but these were not road engines. They would be "captive" in a small area, which would have to have a small service facility so the coal and water could be serviced frequently.
Yes i can see the coal bunker But my loco is different
it has 2 wedge shaped Side tanks and the cab is completely inclosed on the back
the only way to get coal inside would be to carry it thru the door in buckets
Here's a poor picture
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MisterBeasleyThey would be "captive" in a small area, which would have to have a small service facility so the coal and water could be serviced frequently.
Just for fun information.
A lot of times the coal was shoveled straight from a gon or from a elevated coal pile.Water coud be refilled by a fire hose hooked to a water stand.
BRAKIE MisterBeasley They would be "captive" in a small area, which would have to have a small service facility so the coal and water could be serviced frequently. Just for fun information. A lot of times the coal was shoveled straight from a gon or from a elevated coal pile.Water coud be refilled by a fire hose hooked to a water stand.
MisterBeasley They would be "captive" in a small area, which would have to have a small service facility so the coal and water could be serviced frequently.
I can see how that would work on Mr B's but on mine they'd have to shovel it thru a window as their is no door opening on the back unless Bachman left that detail off
C&O Fan MisterBeasley This is my Bachmann 0-6-0T: You can see the coal bunker at the very rear of the engine, behind the cab. Yes, it's very small, but these were not road engines. They would be "captive" in a small area, which would have to have a small service facility so the coal and water could be serviced frequently. Yes i can see the coal bunker But my loco is different it has 2 wedge shaped Side tanks and the cab is completely inclosed on the back the only way to get coal inside would be to carry it thru the door in buckets Here's a poor picture ">
Your model locomotive looks different from the current Bachmann Porter 0-6-0T
http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_276_915&products_id=5534
http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=5534
Your photo doesn't show the rear of the cab, but the current Bachmann Porter side tank does have a very small bunker for coal, similar to the current saddle tank.
Your model has subtlely different side tanks, is driven on the rear driver while the current model is driven on the centre driver and the style and arrangement of domes is different.
It may be an earlier Bachmann product. More recent models are more prototypically accurate.
M636C
The angled boiler on yours looks like a locomotive meant for a steep uphill cog railway, and is nothing like the current model offered by Bachmann.
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Yes its atleast 20 years old Here's a photo of the back and as you can see there is no Coal bunker or Door even outlined on the back
It was orignally labeled "Hercules"
May be just a lack of attention to detail By Bachman
"> I plan on making a cab forward out of this and have already wired it for DCC I'm currently using a Slope tender that i've added a porch with railings And a TCS 6 pin plug that runs under the porch into the tender "> But then got to thinking i should be using a Vandy Tender modified to carry oil if in fact this doesn't use coal I plan on using a Kemtron Brass Conversion Cab Plate To make the cab forward ">
I plan on making a cab forward out of this and have already wired it for DCC
I'm currently using a Slope tender that i've added a porch with railings And a TCS 6 pin plug that runs under the porch into the tender
"> But then got to thinking i should be using a Vandy Tender modified to carry oil if in fact this doesn't use coal I plan on using a Kemtron Brass Conversion Cab Plate To make the cab forward ">
But then got to thinking i should be using a Vandy Tender modified to carry oil
if in fact this doesn't use coal
I plan on using a Kemtron Brass Conversion Cab Plate To make the cab forward
cacole The angled boiler on yours looks like a locomotive meant for a steep uphill cog railway, and is nothing like the current model offered by Bachmann.
Yes its about 20 years old at least
Here's a better photo from the side
And although it does have a bit of a rake
I never thought it was that radical
I do not think that is a Bachmann engine but rather AHM, which came painted for the Hercules Powder Co. and some other road names. It may well be of an oil burning prototype although there is a hatch of some sort on the top of the bunker which could have accepted coal. Some of these little tank engines got their coal in buckets. But there were oil burning tank engines and perhaps at a powder company they'd be preferred over coal burning.
AHM later had an 0-6-0T of a different design (rounded water saddle tank over the boiler) with a coal bunker that extended up to the roof so that it could be coaled at a coaling dock.
Dave Nelson
What I see on that 0-6-0T is a oil bunker-see the square tank behind the cab? Notice the two doors on top of the tank.
Your tender isn't needed.
dknelson I do not think that is a Bachmann engine but rather AHM, which came painted for the Hercules Powder Co. and some other road names. It may well be of an oil burning prototype although there is a hatch of some sort on the top of the bunker which could have accepted coal. Some of these little tank engines got their coal in buckets. But there were oil burning tank engines and perhaps at a powder company they'd be preferred over coal burning. AHM later had an 0-6-0T of a different design (rounded water saddle tank over the boiler) with a coal bunker that extended up to the roof so that it could be coaled at a coaling dock. Dave Nelson
Yes you are right it was also offered by AHM and even in the Hercules Decal But this says Bachman on the bottom
Yes there's a very small door/Hatch on the left side top But so small it would onlyaccept one shovel at a time
If Hercules was a powder company I'm betting it was an oil burner
BRAKIE What I see on that 0-6-0T is a oil bunker-see the square tank behind the cab? Notice the two doors on top of the tank. Your tender isn't needed.
Kinda what i thought Too but i need the tender for the decoder and speaker
The question Is ~~~~Slope or Vandy ? an if it is an oil burner then i need a Vandy Oil Tender
That looks like a european engine and the coal would enter in that little hatch on top of the back if it is the one I am thinking about.
C&O FanThe question Is ~~~~Slope or Vandy ? an if it is an oil burner then i need a Vandy Oil Tender
If you like the slope-back tender, you can build an oil bunker.
Ed
My road had a need for a small loco but running though a wooded area that tended to be dry. so a 0-6-0T was turned and converted into a 2-6-0, oil burner with an old short Vandy tender.The front headlight was left in place.
Decent size air pump added.
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Google it. You will come up with many, many examples and links to store in Favorites.
In the olden days you could buy MDC / Roundhouse tenders as separate kits. I know at least one of them (the small vanderbilt) could be made to carry coal or oil, as it came with a cover piece over the coal bin area. I wouldn't be surprised if some of their other tenders had something similar. Might be able to find one on ebay or a local RR fleamarket.
BTW steam engines need quite a bit more water than fuel. In a typical steam loco tender, the coal or oil is only about 1/4th or 1/3rd of the tender, the rest is water.
"If Hercules was a powder company, I'm betting it was an oil burner."
Actually, I'm betting the Hercules lettering was made up by some marketing guy, and the prototype loco had nothing to do with Hercules in real life. A fireless engine would probably have been a more likely choice for an engine that operated near the production area of an explosives plant.
Now, here's a question: Why doesn't some manufacturer make a model of a fireless steam loco?
This is what i'm going for Rich you have a nice lookin model there
richg1998 C&O Fan Were these supposed to be models of oil burners since they had no tenders for coal ? If so was one tank for water and the other for oil ? TIA Google it. You will come up with many, many examples and links to store in Favorites. Rich
I did about 2 hours of Search And found lots of models but nothing that told me the difference between oil and coal burners
Hence the question posted here
ACY "If Hercules was a powder company, I'm betting it was an oil burner." Actually, I'm betting the Hercules lettering was made up by some marketing guy, and the prototype loco had nothing to do with Hercules in real life. A fireless engine would probably have been a more likely choice for an engine that operated near the production area of an explosives plant. Now, here's a question: Why doesn't some manufacturer make a model of a fireless steam loco?
It is a real company
http://scripophily.net/hepocode1.html
And that logo was on the side of my loco very small with large white letters Spelling Hercules
But you have a great question About a model of a fireless steam loco?
C&O Fan richg1998 C&O Fan Were these supposed to be models of oil burners since they had no tenders for coal ? If so was one tank for water and the other for oil ? TIA Google it. You will come up with many, many examples and links to store in Favorites. Rich I did about 2 hours of Search And found lots of models but nothing that told me the difference between oil and coal burners Hence the question posted here
Cannot agree. After ten minutess found quite a few. A lot depends on how you ask the question.
You could probably make a reasonable model of a fireless loco simply by removing the stack and the tender, as neither are needed (and it wouldn't require saddle tanks or its own coal pocket or oil bunker, either).
Many of them had what appeared to be an overly fat boiler, but it was merely a high pressure storage tank for steam - supplied from a stationary steam plant.
There are some photos here: https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFIQFjAK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.northeast.railfan.net%2Fsteam21.html&ei=WhuFU-bKNYaP8gHugoG4Aw&usg=AFQjCNHPApG3TtF4rG7Xuv3bzYGa5zqsbg&sig2=13GstNw2j5QUiKx3MCQA0g&bvm=bv.67720277,d.b2U
Wayne
Yes, I know Hercules was a real company. My question was whether or not that model represented an actual loco owned by Hercules.
Many fireless locos out there, all in brass at a min. of $400+, thats the only reason why I don't have one!
C&O Fan Your model locomotive looks different from the current Bachmann Porter 0-6-0T http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_276_915&products_id=5534 http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=5534 Your photo doesn't show the rear of the cab, but the current Bachmann Porter side tank does have a very small bunker for coal, similar to the current saddle tank. Your model has subtlely different side tanks, is driven on the rear driver while the current model is driven on the centre driver and the style and arrangement of domes is different. It may be an earlier Bachmann product. More recent models are more prototypically accurate. M636C
This is where I got a few parts but he seems to be only ebay now. Kind of disappointing.
I found diagrams of a bash for this made many years ago using a 0-4-0T.
http://yardbirdtrains.com/YB-Information-examinfo-mantua.htm
ACY Yes, I know Hercules was a real company. My question was whether or not that model represented an actual loco owned by Hercules.
Not that i found
They did have a fireless 0-4-0
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/Locopicture.aspx?id=108015
and 2 Plymouth Propane powered switchers but i could not find an 0-6-0
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Actually Kemtron Still sells them
They are not listed on the site but are listed in their parts catalog
according to their president who today told me the Part#