Bachman 0-6-0 tank Loco Question

[richg1998]

C&O Fan

 

 

dknelson

I do not think that is a Bachmann engine but rather AHM, which came painted for the Hercules Powder Co. and some other road names.  It may well be of an oil burning prototype although there is a hatch of some sort on the top of the bunker which could have accepted coal.  Some of these little tank engines got their coal in buckets.    But there were oil burning tank engines and perhaps at a powder company they'd be preferred over coal burning.

AHM later had an 0-6-0T of a different design (rounded water saddle tank over the boiler) with a coal bunker that extended up to the roof so that it could be coaled at a coaling dock.

Dave Nelson

 

 

 

 

Yes you are right it was also offered by AHM and even in the Hercules Decal But this says Bachman on the bottom

Yes there's a very small door/Hatch on the left side top But so small it would onlyaccept one shovel at a time

If Hercules was a powder company I'm betting it was an oil burner

 

According to these two links, it was fireless which makes sense at a powder company.

 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/srchThumbs.aspx?srch=fireless&Page=2

http://www.rgusrail.com/msbhs300.html

 I have seen a couple pictures of fireless locos that had what looks like a smoke stack. Probably a converted coal or oil burner.

 Rich

[wobblinwheel]

Mr. Beasley, I, not too long ago, purchased two of these little Bachmann "jewels" on sale for around fifty bucks each. Have you noticed the seemingly "amazing" pulling power, considering their size and weight? On my staging yard, each one of these will pull seven or eight passenger cars! It almost seems impossible what these things will pull.....

[gmcrail]

C&O Fan

Yes i can see the coal bunker But my loco is different it has 2 wedge shaped Side tanks and the cab is completely inclosed on the back the only way to get coal inside would be to carry it thru the door in buckets

 

C&O Fan,

In 1972, I was the engineer at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, WI.  I ran a little 0-4-0T saddle tanker and that was exactly how we coaled her up: with buckets through the side door.  We had a ground-level coal pile, and every morning we'd load up the bunker with 5-gallon buckets of coal.  She took about a ton, and the fireman got to be on the ground, loading the buckets and handing them up, unless we had some volunteers on the property, who wanted to help.

 

[C&O Fan]

gmcrail

 

 

C&O Fan

Yes i can see the coal bunker But my loco is different it has 2 wedge shaped Side tanks and the cab is completely inclosed on the back the only way to get coal inside would be to carry it thru the door in buckets

 

 

 

C&O Fan,

In 1972, I was the engineer at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, WI.  I ran a little 0-4-0T saddle tanker and that was exactly how we coaled her up: with buckets through the side door.  We had a ground-level coal pile, and every morning we'd load up the bunker with 5-gallon buckets of coal.  She took about a ton, and the fireman got to be on the ground, loading the buckets and handing them up, unless we had some volunteers on the property, who wanted to help.

 

 

 

Interesting

How long did the hand loading take ?

a ton sounds like a lot of buckets

 

 

Given My model was decaled for the Hercules powder company I'm betting it was fireless

But since i've removed the Decal and  just left the #5 I think I'll convert the tender to carry oil

 

["JaBear"]

Gidday Terry, Just a bit of useless information, the coal was carried in two side bunkers on the foot plate of these locos....

http://www.trainweb.org/nzsteam/a_class.html

http://www.trainweb.org/nzsteam/c_0-4-2.html

Cheers, the Bear.

[Doughless]

C&O Fan

 

.....but i need the tender for the decoder and speaker

The question Is ~~~~Slope or Vandy ? an if it is an oil burner then i need a Vandy Oil Tender

If the small bunker behind the cab is for coal, or oil, the loco does not need a tender, so the question of it being an oil or coal burner, or converted to a fireless loco, is kind of moot. 

What YOU need, is something to hold a decoder and speaker.  How about a bobber caboose permanently mu'ed to the loco as sort of a platform for a crew man, or maybe some sort of maintanence car?  

Why would a railroad need these?  I don't know, but, back to the original issue, why would a railroad need a tender behind a loco that has an attached bunker?  An imagination can answer those questions. 

[C&O Fan]

Gidday Terry, Just a bit of useless information, the coal was carried in two side bunkers on the foot plate of these locos....

http://www.trainweb.org/nzsteam/a_class.html

http://www.trainweb.org/nzsteam/c_0-4-2.html

Cheers, the Bear.

 

Bear those are so small I wonder if the fireman ask "One Lump or Two?"

[C&O Fan]

Doughless

 

 

C&O Fan

 

.....but i need the tender for the decoder and speaker

The question Is ~~~~Slope or Vandy ? an if it is an oil burner then i need a Vandy Oil Tender

 

 

 

If the small bunker behind the cab is for coal, or oil, the loco does not need a tender, so the question of it being an oil or coal burner, or converted to a fireless loco, is kind of moot. 

What YOU need, is something to hold a decoder and speaker.  How about a bobber caboose permanently mu'ed to the loco as sort of a platform for a crew man, or maybe some sort of maintanence car?  

Why would a railroad need these?  I don't know, but, back to the original issue, why would a railroad need a tender behind a loco that has an attached bunker?  An imagination can answer those questions. 

 

 

All good points Doughless

But

The Bunker will become part of the cab once i add the Kemtron cab forward conversion kit and will look like this one at the bottom of the Yard Bird Page

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=453490

 

so then i will need a tender

the orignal question was to see if anyone Knew if They were oil or coal burners because that would help me decide what type of tender

In the course if the thread the group thought since the orignal model was decaled For Hercules

Powder Co It made sense that this may be a Fireless Version

Since mine will be decalled for the C&O I guess the best option would be the Oil burner as carrying coal by bucket from the tender is too labor intensive

I once saw a fire car used to haul the decoder and speaker

Actually any box or tank car would do

But to me a tender makes more sense

 

 

 

[Doughless]

Oh, I guess I didn't see where you settled on converting it to a cab forward.  Yes, an oil burner makes more sense then.

[ACY Tom]

A tender added to a tank engine?  Yes, there's more than one precedent for it, although it was a rare occurence.

The Akron & Barberton Belt Railroad in Ohio had a branch from Barberton to Fairlawn.  A swamp fire undermined the roadbed, making the line precarious.  Service could continue, but the road was afraid that a derailment would possibly srtrand an expensive locomotive, since the track structure couldn't support the weight of a locomotive crane.  The solution was to buy PRR class A4a 0-4-0t no. 5076 for the service.  The old loco was considered to be expendable if such an emergency arose.  Since the distance traveled was greater than the engine's coal bunker and water tanks could cover, an old tender was added to the engine.  The saddle tank was retained.  The engine was scrapped during WWII, when line improvements permitted larger, more efficient engines to be used.  A photo will appear in a forthcoming book on the AC&Y (which was a part owner of the A&BB).  There were other instances of this.

The idea of converting a conventional loco to become fireless (or vice versa) was probably impractical & I doubt that it was ever done-  

[G Paine]

Fire less steam locomotives were filed with hot pressurized water from a steam plant. The tank was an insulated pressure vessel. As the loco needed steam it boiled away in the tank, producing high pressure saturated steam. These locomotives were used in industries like explosives manufacturing where an open flame would be dangerous or inside buildings where the smoke would not be welcome.

This is a diagram of how a fireless steam loco works
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trainweb.org%2Foldtimetrains%2Findustrial%2Fsteam%2Ffireless_cutaway.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trainweb.org%2Foldtimetrains%2Findustrial%2Fsteam%2Fwestinghouse.htm&h=466&w=740&tbnid=ZuPRSBp-4yxP-M%3A&zoom=1&docid=BUS4ypvjz3voFM&ei=SJKMU631FZGFqgbc2YHgDw&tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&ved=0CFUQMygBMAE&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=3335&page=1&start=0&ndsp=11

And some inages of fireless locomotives
https://www.google.com/search?q=fireless+steam+locomotive&client=firefox-a&hs=pAq&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PpKMU5-wDqqzsASJ44H4Cw&ved=0CDUQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=615

 

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/industrial/steam/westinghouse.htm