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Posted by Cederstrand on Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:04 PM

Coffee TO GO, please.

Hope y'all have a good day.

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Posted by galaxy on Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:08 PM

Music The river is deep, and the river is wide Music

Music naturally there's flooding on the other side  Music

Good Lord willin' and the creeks don't rise!

Well, He must not be willin' here!

It's raining again and the Susquehanna's pressing her banks and overflow areas as are the tributary creeks!

*groan*

We've had enough here I tell ya.

*whew*

Later if I don't drown!

Geeked

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:26 PM

Good afternoon.

Ulrich ... Excellent work! Looks very nice. Best wishes for Tuesday.

Jeff .. your work on the F-units is impressive.

Sue ... You may consider making a fence out of scale lumber. It should not be too hard.

Happy Model Railroading.

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Posted by Cederstrand on Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:01 PM

Took the Starter in and it tested "OK". So, now I need to find that post one of you gentlemen posted on how to test the wiring to the starter!?!Confused

Bought a mini version of my missing (yellow) multi-meter. Now the old one should reappear.

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Posted by gear-jammer on Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:15 PM

Good afternoon.  Chloe, I will have a RBF, please.

Ulrich,  N scale seems mighty small sometimes.   I am using magnification for HO.

Garry,  The jury is still out on what we will do.  We need more of a railing than a fence.  I will try to post the  backdrop later.

Thanks,  Sue

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Posted by cudaken on Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:19 PM

 Evening Folks!

 Flo, beer's and yes today was a let down.

 Sort Of Good New's, I Guess. Seems a Dealership is interested in me to run there body shop! But, they want me to take 4 on line test, then if I pass I get a interview. Have not been in the business for 6 years so I am out of date on somethings. But what I am worried about the most is if they have a Aptitude Test I don't understand why I don't do well on them?

Flywheel Puller That has been a big let down! Got it today but sure not what I was hopping for. It will fit one end with the brushes of a old Athearn motor just fine. Other end, could not get the punched centered right. Being not real smart, I went ahead and drove the flywheel off. Bang Head Well the threads of the punch threaded part of the inside of the flywheel, so I am sure it is out of balances. Plus, I cannot get a PK1000 motor in there period! Guess I am going to get the cut off wheel and do some modifying.

 BB F7 A Problem And here it has been running so well. It has lost power pick up on the rear truck and now stalls on only one turnout? While it should be a easy fix, well like I have told Jeffery I am sick of fixing things.

  Went to K-10 Model Trains I am on the hunt for another SOO Covered Hooper, the one with the wheat stalk on the side. Well, they did not have any But what really SHOCKED me is Athearn RTR cars have now hit $26.95 each? I wonder why few people are getting into the hobby? You buy your son a train set, he wants a 2 more cars, dad finds out that will set him back $53.90 for 2 cars? Here son, let buy a new video game. Oh, I forgot that is about the same cost of a new game.

 Well today sucked, but it could have been way worst.

 Rob Sorry it was not the starter. But, have you ever tried a different key? I have asked a few times and you have never answered me? 

 Going to watch a movie, see you later.

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Posted by Cederstrand on Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:24 PM

***Ken, seems we only have the 1 key. Although there is no Starter click, there is a wind-up kinda hum, along with the lights coming on. Checked the battery with the new tester and it continues to read 12 about volts/no needle change when the key is turned.  

So, on the starter, there is a little wire attached by a little nut and a larger wire with a large nut. For testing current, is the small the positive and the large the negative? Confused -Rob ps: hope you get hired, Ken.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:49 PM

Cederstrand

Took the Starter in and it tested "OK". So, now I need to find that post one of you gentlemen posted on how to test the wiring to the starter!?!Confused

Bought a mini version of my missing (yellow) multi-meter. Now the old one should reappear.

Cowboy

 Rob

Your starter problem could be in the starter relay, nuetral starter switch, ignition switch. Both wires on the starter should be positive. It grounds through the block.

cudaken

 BB F7 A Problem And here it has been running so well. It has lost power pick up on the rear truck and now stalls on only one turnout? While it should be a easy fix, well like I have told Jeffery I am sick of fixing things.

The pickup on Athearn trucks is very simple. The bronze axle bearings are notorious for getting grease, oil or any other non-conductive crud on them or in them. If sais crud gets between the bearing and the axle or between the bearing and the frame electrical contact will be lost. You can take the bearings off the axle and clean the hole with a pipe cleaner dipped in alcohol. Clean the axles good and clean the truck frame. Also clean the contact arm and clean the part of the truck that contacts the loco frame.

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Posted by Cederstrand on Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:30 PM

***Jeffrey: OK, with the testers black probe touching the frame and the red probe on the Starter wire (the one attached by the large nut) I get a 12 volt reading whether the key is turned or not. That doesn't seem right, does it? Moving the red probe to the small wire attached by the small nut, there is no voltage reading period, including when the key is turned. 

At least as best I can tell with fumbling hands in dwindling light while being attacked by skeeters, which drives me nuts. Will test again in better light tomorrow. -Rob

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:37 PM

Cederstrand

***Jeffrey: OK, with the testers black probe touching the frame and the red probe on the Starter wire (the one attached by the large nut) I get a 12 volt reading whether the key is turned or not. That doesn't seem right, does it? Moving the red probe to the small wire attached by the small nut, there is no voltage reading period, including when the key is turned

At least as best I can tell with fumbling hands in dwindling light while being attacked by skeeters, which drives me nuts. Will test again in better light tomorrow. -Rob

That would be your problem. That small wire goes back to a switch or relay that energizes it. When the small wire is energized it trips the bendix on the starter and activates the starter motor. I had the same problem on mine. Trouble turned out to be a damaged plug on the neutral starter switch on the tranny. That's a safety that keeps the engine from being cranked with the tranny in forward or reverse.

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Posted by james saunders on Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:16 PM

Morning folks, Been a few pages since I stopped by.

I have a few bills to pay over the next couple of weeks, but I'm still putting a few bucks aside to purchase a DCC system by november and a few decoders to convert a few locomotives, I hope to convert my 9 Kato locomotives by christmas and the rest soon after. I will be only buying DCC locomotives from now on as the cost of buying the loco + the decoder works out to be roughly $5 less than buying it equipped with DCC, As i'm time poor the extra $5 is worth it for me. I will consider adding sound down the track too.

I've figured out I need another 6 structures for my small town on the layout. One of them I'm going to scratchbuild. I need a modern gas station and I don't want to pay $65 for the one offered by Summit USA. I might even scratchbuild a KFC or McDonalds as well. I figure I can make a good looking gas station for about $20 in materials (styrene etc.) and have fun building it too.

 

anyway back to w*rk

TTFN

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Posted by howmus on Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:21 PM

Evenin' folks!

Janie, just a decaf for me....  Ate way too much for supper!

Rob, the large nut and the heavy cable attached to it (at least on all the tractors and ancient trucks I used to work on as a kid) goes straight back to the battery and is hot all the time.  That is what actually provides the large amount of electric current needed to crank the engine.  The other one, the one you have no voltage with, powers the selenoid (sp.) on the starter that engages the starter.  No power to that, and you don't crank the engine......  Jeffrey is right on in his diagnosis!  Worst case scenario, you just bypass the whole key thing for the starter and put a momentary switch (aka: pushbutton) in line and it should start.....  THAT's what we used to do back on the farm......  Since you're down in redneck country, what the hey! WhistlingSmile, Wink & Grin

I spent the evening in the train room!  YES!!!  Got a grade crossing almost done, finished some plaster for scenery, and then painted an area which has to get done before I start putting in more hills and buildings which would prevent easy access to the spot......  I also took several gallon plastic bags of beans, peppers, and broccoli down the Community Lunch Program, filled the Yaris with gas, and sorted some photos I need to print for an 80th. birthday party for one of Geneva's greatest ladies on Saturday.  I will have to get them finished tomorrow during the day as I will be at a banquet tomorrow night.

Galaxy?  You still treading water?

Hope you all have a great night!

73

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:14 PM

Been a busy day for me. I hard wired an F7B onto a previously hard wired pair of F3's then wired together two Atlas FP7's back to back. The size of the wires are a bit bigger than I'd like but they'll do. The wiring together of the FP7's makes up for the inconsistent pickup of the newer unit so both locos now run great together even though they have Bachmann decoders. I still have a pair of Bachmann GP30's and a pair of Bachmann GP7's to wire into permanent consists but I need much thinner wire. When I get my hands on some 30 AWG wire I'll be able to proceed.

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Posted by galaxy on Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:44 PM

GOOD MORNING!!!

Today is Friday September 30, 2011!!!

-G .

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Posted by galaxy on Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:56 PM

cudaken

 Evening Folks!

   Went to K-10 Model Trains... But what really SHOCKED me is Athearn RTR cars have now hit $26.95 each? I wonder why few people are getting into the hobby? You buy your son a train set, he wants a 2 more cars, dad finds out that will set him back $48.00 for 2 cars? Here son, let buy a new video game. Oh, I forgot that is about the same cost of a new game.

 

The man who installed our furnace asked about my HO trains and if I used them often. I told him I was in the process of tearing down my old one and the small layout in the LR was for the xmass tree..it just never got worked on...

He said he went to a local {to him living in the same town} train shop, which usually carries an abundance of Lionel O guage, and he bought 2 HO scale buildings {built ups} for his 4 year old son and it cost him $85 dollars!!! FOr just 2 buildings...I said "I wouldn't have paid that, but I suppose your boy had his heart set on them"...to which he replied "yeah, what are you gonna do...." I told him to check on online at wholesaletrains.com and their brick in mortar store in Horseheads, NY. They would be cheaper in the store at least for him, I think! The prices in their store are a bargain and you don't pay shipping, but you have spent shipping in gas to get there....I live 45 mins away to the E of the store, the furnace man lives even further E of me by a long shot...aobut another 1/2 to the east...

SOme of the stuff amazes me at what prices they are coming in at...Even used cars are coming in higher! {in some rare cases even higher than the cost of a new one but people are so engrained into thinking used is cheaper that they don;t look at new prices...}

*sigh* as my father says {at least aobut needed items like gas and groceries and utilities "what are you gonna do, you're gonna have to pay it..."

-G .

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Friday, September 30, 2011 5:57 AM

Good Morning

Ray, Rob:  One of my neighbours has an old beaten on 1972 Chev long box pick up that regularly backfires and sends out thick grey smoke whenever he uses it...the long box was not even part of the original truck..and it does flap around as well....the thing is rather funny to watch..maybe not so much if one is BEHIND it!!! Laugh

Galaxy: yeah...what you gonna do....love that phrase..I suggest checking out the online stores..usually...unfortunately that really nails the LHS good and hard though. I've been watching some of those doppler radar things down your way...the bloody rain just keeps on a coming ...Sigh

We are supposed to get some of that stuff today as well..a lovely day to go doing one's shopping in...Sigh

Got a bunch of things that need done here..housework, paperwork for work, runnin' 'roun' doin' stuff...sheesh. I may actually get a chance to go and run some trains later...

Flo, I'll have a coffee and a stack of pancakes with real maple syrup please..no not that other gloop..the real syrup...sheeesh...I'll be at the RC for a bit.

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Posted by TMarsh on Friday, September 30, 2011 5:58 AM

Good Morning!! Coffee and an egg sandwich please. Thanks.

Sunny, with a high near 65. Suppose to be back in the mid to upper 70’s next week.

Usual stuff today. Nothing spectacular.

Ya’ll have a Great Day!!!

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Posted by galaxy on Friday, September 30, 2011 6:59 AM

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Galaxy: yeah...what you gonna do....love that phrase..I suggest checking out the online stores..usually...unfortunately that really nails the LHS good and hard though. I've been watching some of those doppler radar things down your way...the bloody rain just keeps on a coming ...Sigh

Yeah, that storm is just sitting circulating and raining and raining and raining....It is the outer band that is banging us so hard...the storm is SUPPOSED to move in over us and pass on by...BUT dropping rain as it does!!!   If it were over New England and NY. even PA states and were snowing instead it would be called a "nor'easter".

It just doesn't seem to stop!!! The rain that is...

They say flooding will be less this year...though Schnurbush Park in COnklin is aready under water...but it is the first "green space" to flood in that area. A green space is a palce that must remain open to fooding but must be used for things like recreation parks, ball fields, etc where the damage is minimal and no houses are lost. Were ever Conklin got money from FEMA last time {I think is was FEMA} to buy out those flooded house properties can never again be built for housing! That would destroy aobut a good percentage of the towns and cities around here though and leave LOTS of {useless} parks! But maybe that is what we need...

The last major flooding {besides moderate 05 and 06 major flood} was Hurricane Agnes in 1972, before that the "old timers" remember the "great flood of 1930-something. This time was Massive flooding. Much like the midwest got when the snow melted this spring....

I don't know yet what will happen. I know houses "done up" in the flood zones will be sold cheaply. Even those that have been stripped but still in good shape are seelling cheap. One house I saw on the Real Estate listings was going for a whole $18,000.00. It was flooded both in 06and now in 11. Houses on the higher hill sides or far enough away from the rivers, creeks and dikes will sell higher now. SOme houses have had their foundations undermined and will need to be destroyed.

Sad.

They also need to dredge the rivers and creeks around here to lower teh bottom of the river...it washes down sediment everyt time we get hard rains, flood or not and that mud is hard to clean up in a flooded house!

I hope the rain gives a break today...but rain is forecasted for the next 5 days!!!

 

-G .

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Posted by cudaken on Friday, September 30, 2011 7:43 AM

 Morning Folks!

 Flo, just coffee.

 Cost of Rolling Stock All I can say is thank goodness I got into the hobby while there where still Athearn BB kits available. I have around 250 cars, at $26.95 it would have cost me $6737.50 just for the cars? I know there is a lot of complaining about the cost of stuff. But, the prices increases in model train stuff is amazing! 6 years ago, Atlas Flex track $2.25, now $4.25 (I was told it was going up again) I thought $14.00 was to much at the time for Athearn RTR rolling stock, seems cheap now. 

 I just got wondering what it would cost to replaces all the items I have in today dollars? Maybe $15,000.00?

 Oh well, what are you going to do? Right Galaxy!

 Jeffery Thanks about the reminders on the brass blocks, I have all ready looked at them and they do look a little slimy. I am thinking first thing is make sure the metal plate on the truck is making a good contact with the frame. Then ( will see it first) make sure the wire did not break off the truck tower.

 See you all later.

         Ken 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, September 30, 2011 7:48 AM

Good morning. It's 69° and sunny. The high will be 83° and partly cloudy.

This morning I'll be busy with the once a month task of paying bills. I can pay most of them from right here but there are a couple of places that insist on remaining in the stone age and want to be paid face to face. There's also the first half of the grocery shopping to get done not to mention the wallet emptying act of buying gas for the van. Later there's something I have to do. It seems there's a Union Pacific FP7 on my layout that's screaming to get patched. The Pennsy FP7 on behind it will also get it's patch.

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Posted by LSWrr on Friday, September 30, 2011 8:28 AM

Good Morning All,

 

I had to turn the furnace on this morning.

 

Saturday and Sunday at the Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds in Berea, OH is the NMRA Div 4 train show.  5 barns of train stuff!

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Posted by gear-jammer on Friday, September 30, 2011 8:32 AM

Good morning, Chloe.  Coffee and one of those cinnamon rolls with lots of frosting, please.  Once it is daylight, I plan to kill some stubborn weeds that insist on growing in the driveway. Bang Head  It is not my favorite project, but someone needs to do it.

Ken,  That job opportunity seems like a great place to advance.  I hope the interview goes well. Thumbs Up

Jeffery,  Thanks for sharing a loco photo from my  side of the world.  Who is the manufacturer?

Sue

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, September 30, 2011 8:39 AM

gear-jammer

Jeffery,  Thanks for sharing a loco photo from my  side of the world.  Who is the manufacturer?

The FP7 is an 80's era release from Atlas. I picked it up in it's original packaging for $25.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 30, 2011 9:17 AM

Good Afternoon Folks!

Out of the STALAG! Only 3 more days until the exam - time to stick my nose into a book? No. We wrote 6 tests to exercise, and I passed all of them. The worst grade I got was 95% Whistling

Just watched my favorite show on TV - Railroad Romance. They had a very nice feature on a bloke named O. Winston Link, who documented the last days of steam on the N&W. The feature included some spectacular footage and pictures of N&W´s J´s and Y´s. I remember seeing some of these pictures in TRAINS, including the one of a drive-in cinema with a freight train passing in the back.There is a O Winston Link museum in Roanoke, VA., which seems to be worth a visit. Next month´s location?

I have been offered this loco:

It´s a Kato C 57 Pacific with a funny cinder trap on the smoke stack. I have no real use for it on my electric line, but´s a nice little loco and a real bargain for $ 30. Need to talk to Petra to free up the cash from the household money Whistling

The weekend will not so much of a MRRing activity. I am running out of material (and cash), but I will make some plans for the next module. It will have a depot as the main "attraction" - to house my EMU (and maybe another one in the future).

Galaxy - my Angel for you folks in the Susquehanna flood area!

Have a good one!

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Posted by tcwright973 on Friday, September 30, 2011 9:35 AM

Lee - I've been to that show a couple of times, and I'm hoping to get up there sometime this weekend. It's about a 2 hour drive, but an easy one. I get on I-279 about a mile from my house, and it's all interstate until about what, 3 or 4 blocks after getting off I-71? Don't really need anything, but I like looking anyway.

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Posted by gear-jammer on Friday, September 30, 2011 9:49 AM

I thought that I would experiment with a night time photo here.  You guys are more forgiving than the general public.

Here is the park that Larry painted.  The brick retaining wall with a walkway is the one that I need a railing on.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 30, 2011 9:55 AM

Sue - I played a little with your picture, just for the fun of it:

Not really a nighttime shot anymore ...

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Posted by galaxy on Friday, September 30, 2011 10:14 AM

Sir Madog

Galaxy - my Angel for you folks in the Susquehanna flood area!

Well, It seems "good Lord willin' and tfhe creeks don't rise" is happening..He must be willing! Cuz the creeks AREN'T risin' today.

We ahve had some breaks and actually right now the SUN is Shining!!! WEll, it just went behind a cloud....

But that means the rivers ad creeks have a chance to "settle down" before reaching anymore flood stages...

Still people around here are nervous! ANd the forecast still calls for rain for the next 5 days!

So..it remains to be seen if more than Schnurbush park in Conklin will flood.....

With all the mix-ups here the pharmacies that DIDN'T FLOOD and Dr.s have had a time filling in prescriptions...have had 3 messed up on me.. wrong # of times a day is taken for the # in the bottle... got to clear them up!

Later guys got groceries to put away.

Later

Geeked

 

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Friday, September 30, 2011 10:29 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmm.... "Where were you when the lights went out?".... Question .... "I don't know, Ulrich turned them back on."  Idea  ... Laugh

Good morning everybody.

Good to see the progress with Sue and Larry's layout.

Ulrich .... I'm glad you explained what was on top of the locomotive. Prices for used or second hand model trains are getting Reasonable.

Jeff ... You, too are getting trains at low prices. I like the old Atlas FP7's and still have two in Northern Pacific ........... (Shhhhhhhhh ... Don't tell Sue, the NP fan.)

Galaxy ... Yoru furnace guy paid top dollar. New "built ups" are teh expensive way to do it.

My Union Station project is moving right along, and I may have more pictures of it in a day or two. Next project is the downtown area of my big city. .... Then, I'll get back to converting older sections to DCC ....... Then..... well.... a zillion other projects wait me.

It's already end of September. Amazing how time flies. Thanks to the Illionis Diners for hosting the Diner in September. ..... I suggest we have Chicago style deep dish pizza tonoght for the last meal in IL.

October? .... Where? ..... How about place where we may enjoy fall colors? We have some diners in Pennsylvania.,,,, What do you thinj?  Shall we go to the Keystone State?... East Broad Top RR..... Pennslylvania Railraod Museum.... Horseshoe Curve ........ and more. ... Any thoughts from anyone else?

 

 

 

GARRY

HEARTLAND DIVISION, CB&Q RR

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Posted by howmus on Friday, September 30, 2011 10:29 AM

Mornin' everyone!

Zoe I'll have the #2 special this morning with bacon.....  Don't forget the dark roast coffee as well!

Galaxy, glad you are still treading water.....  Much the same weather here only less.....  Currently gloomy and chilly outside, 64°F with high high later today of 63°F (THAT is what it says on the weather forecast!).  Next several days it won't even reach 50° with everything between showers and rain.  Guess Fall is catching up with us. 

I will continue to bring in the winter squash from the garden as well as do some laundry (giving me some train time) today before I have to put on the "Sunday go to meeting" clothes for the banquet.

Catch you all later!

73

 

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

We'll get there sooner or later! 

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