Curious,
I've always noticed that Walthers puts their current name train on the cover. If it's not the C&O PM this year, then they are breaking with their previous trends.
But given their trend, it is to be likely an east coast train as they alternate between east and west, and last time was west.
Don - Specializing in layout DC->DCC conversions
Modeling C&O transition era and steel industries There's Nothing Like Big Steam!
According to a Walther's rep I spoke with recently, the announcement on the new train will be made Friday.
(And no, this person hasn't leaked it to anyone.)
Over the longer term, Walthers' new RailTech DCC and Sound sets may be the bigger news this week. The first ones are already up on their web site, with an example set at http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/931-891
-Fritz Milhaupt, Publications Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society, Inc.http://www.pmhistsoc.org
So are there any news about that North Coast Limited train? When I look at the Walthers news, that won´t be the case for 2013. But I hope they´ll bring out that train in 2014. After the Twin Cities Hiawatha and Empire Builder, it would seem logical to me that they would do a third "Northwest of Chicago" train in order to fullfill that MILW-GN-NP main northwestern roads topic. Releasing the cars in both the 1948 Pine Tree and the 1954 Two Tone Green scheme would indeed be very welcomed!
No worries Fmilhaupt,
I tend to keep my expectation low and am very happy when something good comes along. As it is I have a list if items I haven't been able to afford to buy as they hit the market so it's not like I have surplus cash laying around and still need to chip away at acquiring rolling stock issued in the past 12 months or so!
We'll keep a weather eye on the passenger car releases - if Walthers does do C&O, I'll see if anything matches!
Rio Grande. The Action Road - Focus 1977-1983
riogrande5761 If I understand your list correctly, there are 4 cars which the D&RGW bought which matched cars the C&O took delivery of, the first 5 on your list. So there is no chance of getting the Mail & Express car, the Diner or the Baggage-Express cars duplicated by the possible C&O cars which may be offered by Walthers. Well, I'll take what I can get. The typical latter day prospector had a baggage, coach-baggage, coach, diner and sleeper. If I'm lucky I could get a coach-baggage and a sleeper out of the deal, but will still be minus the diner. Only the Pere Marquette got like dinners then?
If I understand your list correctly, there are 4 cars which the D&RGW bought which matched cars the C&O took delivery of, the first 5 on your list. So there is no chance of getting the Mail & Express car, the Diner or the Baggage-Express cars duplicated by the possible C&O cars which may be offered by Walthers. Well, I'll take what I can get. The typical latter day prospector had a baggage, coach-baggage, coach, diner and sleeper. If I'm lucky I could get a coach-baggage and a sleeper out of the deal, but will still be minus the diner. Only the Pere Marquette got like dinners then?
Yup, the Pere Marquette got its two diners in 1946 when it launched its streamliner of the same name. The 1950 order cars were built to the same design, and aside from the ones the D&RGW took over, the C&O canceled them.
Based on timing and price, I'm thinking that the Metroliner and upcoming Amfleets will occupy the "name train" slot for the foreseeable future. Based on that, I've pared back my expectations to some new paint jobs on E7s and a new bridge.
I'll definitely be asking at the National Train Show in a couple of weeks, though.
fmilhaupt riogrande5761: Well, because the D&RGW around 1950 took over some C&O orders for passenger cars when the C&O decided to back out after ordering too many, I am hopefull that possibly new C&O based cars may also be usable by D&RGW fans. Here are the 25 cars that the D&RGW took over from the C&O's large PS order, and the corresponding cars the C&O actually accepted: Plan 4167 10-6 Sleeper* - D&RGW #1270-1273 - C&O #2600-2655Plan 7596 Lunch Counter-Buffet-Lounge - D&RGW 1290-1292 - C&O #1903Plan 7600 Coach - D&RGW #1240-1247 - C&O #1610-1668Plan 7601 Coach-Baggage - D&RGW #1230-1231 - C&O #1403Plan 7603 Mail and Express - D&RGW #1200-1202 - C&O canceled the restPlan 7608 Diner - D&RGW #1280-1281 - identical to existing PM #10-11, C&O canceled the restPlan 7609 Baggage-Express - D&RGW 1210-1212 - C&O canceled the rest *Within a year of delivery, the D&RGW converted these into 5-5-6 sleepers, swapping five roomettes for five sections and gaining a small restroom window near the door on one side. The old Lambert "C&O 10-6" brass sleeper has this added window.
riogrande5761: Well, because the D&RGW around 1950 took over some C&O orders for passenger cars when the C&O decided to back out after ordering too many, I am hopefull that possibly new C&O based cars may also be usable by D&RGW fans.
Well, because the D&RGW around 1950 took over some C&O orders for passenger cars when the C&O decided to back out after ordering too many, I am hopefull that possibly new C&O based cars may also be usable by D&RGW fans.
Here are the 25 cars that the D&RGW took over from the C&O's large PS order, and the corresponding cars the C&O actually accepted:
Plan 4167 10-6 Sleeper* - D&RGW #1270-1273 - C&O #2600-2655Plan 7596 Lunch Counter-Buffet-Lounge - D&RGW 1290-1292 - C&O #1903Plan 7600 Coach - D&RGW #1240-1247 - C&O #1610-1668Plan 7601 Coach-Baggage - D&RGW #1230-1231 - C&O #1403Plan 7603 Mail and Express - D&RGW #1200-1202 - C&O canceled the restPlan 7608 Diner - D&RGW #1280-1281 - identical to existing PM #10-11, C&O canceled the restPlan 7609 Baggage-Express - D&RGW 1210-1212 - C&O canceled the rest
*Within a year of delivery, the D&RGW converted these into 5-5-6 sleepers, swapping five roomettes for five sections and gaining a small restroom window near the door on one side. The old Lambert "C&O 10-6" brass sleeper has this added window.
riogrande5761 Well, because the D&RGW around 1950 took over some C&O orders for passenger cars when the C&O decided to back out after ordering too many, I am hopefull that possibly new C&O based cars may also be usable by D&RGW fans.
*Within a year of delivery, the D&RGW converted these into 5-5-6 sleepers, swapping five roomettes for five sections.
The D&RGW assumed slots originally ordered by C&O for Pullman Standanrd cars which were fluted on below the window line. So far Walthers has run only one car that is a near match to the C&O PS car, the 52 seat chair car, which I picked up from Walthers when they were blowing out the first run for $16 each. Now of course you gotta pay 60+ for the latest run of the same car, and not improved that I can see. Anyhow, $60 for a new Walthers plastic passenger car beats $550 for a Division Point brass model that won't run on a layout anyway!
So I do hope these are C&O cars and can can be used by D&RGW fans to match up to a few more cars used in the Prospector series. I honestly don't know if the C&O ran cars which were direct matches to the D&RGW cars or if Rio Grande took over slots that were not duplicated by the C&O.
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Bet you'll have to bake it yourself though...........nothing is ever RTE!!
Mark
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If it will be the George Washington, then based on that photo, it would be with inaccurate equipment.
A 1950s George Washington would be an interesting departure for Walthers, as it would have to be a mix of heavyweight and streamlined cars. The George never had a "clean" all-streamlined consist.
maybe it's amtrak, with the metroliner and the new consists.
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I'm far from a C&O expert. BUT:
The car behind the locomotive is an ACF baggage-mail car. It's a model of a GN car. I don't find C&O owning any ACF lightweights at all.
So, since Walthers has always made the proper cars (pretty much) for each name-train, I don't see any C&O name-train in the near future. Or PM, for that matter.
But it does appear they're going to do a PM E unit and at least one car painted to match.
Ed
Sorry Jason, MobileMan By the cover of the 2013 catalog, it will be the C&O George
My vote is for the CN Tempo. I need all 20+ cars for my layout and I know of at least THREE other people who want them too. That means sales of at least FOUR complete trains. It will be a hit...
-Jason
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I would love to see the IC City of New Orleans but that will never happen.
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Mobilman44
Living in southeast Texas, formerly modeling the "postwar" Santa Fe and Illinois Central
I'm with Peter on hoping for more 1950 Pullman Standard C&O cars. We could use another run of the skirted, half-fluted coaches, and for them to bring out the C&O-style 10-6 sleeper that about half a dozen roads eventually owned.
There were some neat cars in that order that got around to a lot of other railroads.
Well I am hoping for the Pere Marquette, but I guess the George might be interesting too. Some of us Northern Region people think that is the Thornapple River Bridge there, but then the Pere Marquettes were fairly short trains with no sleepers.
More C&O equipment would make all of us happy!
Cheers
Peter
By the looks of it,
2012->2013 will be the C&O George Washington
http://www.walthers.com/exec/page/13ref_books
YEAH!
Could we possibly have a Richmond Station in the works?
Or a triple overpass train crossing?
It makes a lot of sense because the Richmond station serviced the SAL, Southern, and C&O lines.
The triple overpass would be extremely neat on a layout, but would unlikely.
Paul3 I was just talking with a friend in the hobby biz about brass car sides and how much to make them. For etching them into a 12" x 24" sheet intitially, you'd be talking around $500 for 4 HO cars worth (two sides for each car, plus window indents). For each additional brass sheet, it would be around $75. So for 4 cars, it would be $125 per car. For 8 cars, $72. For 12, $54. And so on. Of course, you'd have to have the info to draw the car sides correctly first, and then either draw or have them drawn for you. Paul A. Cutler III
I was just talking with a friend in the hobby biz about brass car sides and how much to make them. For etching them into a 12" x 24" sheet intitially, you'd be talking around $500 for 4 HO cars worth (two sides for each car, plus window indents). For each additional brass sheet, it would be around $75. So for 4 cars, it would be $125 per car. For 8 cars, $72. For 12, $54. And so on.
Of course, you'd have to have the info to draw the car sides correctly first, and then either draw or have them drawn for you.
Paul A. Cutler III
yeah, but I can't think of a historical society that can't find use for 12 carsides to sell.
-Morgan
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Redgrey62: I believe if a manufacturer would come up with a "modular" way to build streamlined passenger cars, either Budd or Pullman Standard, they could build the majority of cars of the various trains. The basic shell for a Budd car (aside from diners, baggage and domes) is the same for sleepers and coaches. The differences are the window arrangement, undercar applinaces, skirting (full, partial, or none) and roof vents. Of course the interiors would be arranged differently but they could be modular too. I know there are other subtle differences but the cars would be anywhere from 95-100 percent correct as opposed to another Santa Fe prototype with another RR name on the side.
I believe if a manufacturer would come up with a "modular" way to build streamlined passenger cars, either Budd or Pullman Standard, they could build the majority of cars of the various trains. The basic shell for a Budd car (aside from diners, baggage and domes) is the same for sleepers and coaches. The differences are the window arrangement, undercar applinaces, skirting (full, partial, or none) and roof vents. Of course the interiors would be arranged differently but they could be modular too. I know there are other subtle differences but the cars would be anywhere from 95-100 percent correct as opposed to another Santa Fe prototype with another RR name on the side.
Walthers already uses a "modular" approach to the construction of their passenger cars. All of the cars begin with a basic core-frame that interiors can be slid into, ends, sides, roofs and underframes are then attached to the frame. The exceptions being domed and observation cars as well as some Amtrak only cars (amfleet, viewliner, etc) and short head-end cars. This allows Walthers to make the sides and roofs unique to the particular car being modeled. The only thing those parts need is to have their tabs conform to fit the core-frame.
The ends and the undersides are pretty much one size fits all with a few exceptions thus they have a tendency to be the least accurate part of the car. Then again they are the least seen parts of the car when in operation and many modelers are more inclined to overlook the lack of detail or inaccuracies since to the ends and the underside since they are the least visable part of the car.
With that in mind, I think Walthers is missing the boat on a potential market when it comes to modelers who want to use brass or laser cut passengers sides. I think a potentially successful product would be to sell a core-frame car with standard ends and a skeleton of an underframe. Core-frames would come with either a typical Budd, Pullman or ACF roof. Trucks sold seperately. All a modeler would have to do is attach his own sides to the core-frame, add any roof and underbody details as desired, paint the car and they're done. Small "mom & pop" manufactuers or specific historic railroad groups could then sell passenger car sides that are compatable with the Walthers core-frame and do it in small batches to meet the needs of "not as popular" passenger cars/trains. It would be more friendly for the model railroader whose skills aren't expert or very advanced.
If, for the southeast, there had been a dome train with a fully "color co-ordinated" consist, I think Walthers would have already done it (or, at least, have it up just after the NCL). There wasn't; they didn't.
But they're working their way down. I expect they'll do something pulled by green E7's with roof-mounted air tanks. But, I'm wondering whether they'll do the domalicious Wabash "Blue Bird" first.
Pamela Streamliners of the West, North and East are way over represented in model railroading. I am still hoping and waiting for Walthers to model long overlooked trains like The Crescent (1950 edition), The Tennessean (1950 edition), and The Texas Eagle (1952 edition). As a child I never understood why the model train industry had a blind spot in the South and Southwest when it came to modeling passenger trains. >:-(
Streamliners of the West, North and East are way over represented in model railroading. I am still hoping and waiting for Walthers to model long overlooked trains like The Crescent (1950 edition), The Tennessean (1950 edition), and The Texas Eagle (1952 edition). As a child I never understood why the model train industry had a blind spot in the South and Southwest when it came to modeling passenger trains. >:-(
I agree (mostly) with your assessment (I would consider all the various Santa Fe trains in the southwest). I think it comes down to marketing as almost all the trains that are mass produced are transcontinentals or originate/terminate in high population cities. Therefore the manufacturer has a broad base of modelers that may want the train as it ran through their territory. Even the road I model, the CB&Q, one would think they only ran the Pioneer and California Zephyr. Fortunately there are options to model the various trains but some cannot be modeled without tracking down, and paying for, high end brass models or serious kitbashing.
After all that, I would love to see more southern and additional southwestern roads done. While I was in Tennessee, I was seriously considering modeling the Hummingbird. However, I think the smaller trains need to be even more accurate than the transcons and I just couldn't find anything close enough.
Ricky
If you do not count the numerous car sides out there for Southeastern prototypes the industry has not given the region much attention. But you're right though, aside MTH's Powhatan Arrow coming out soon, passenger trains of the South haven't gotten much attention. I'd like to see both trains you've mentioned too :)
Alvie
7j43kWe got the combined Builder/NCL coming out of Chicago behind Q E's. Excellent!!!
Ricky,
You got me thinkin':
We got the combined Builder/NCL coming out of Chicago behind Q E's. Excellent!!! We get half (sort of) the combined Builder/NCL going from Spokane to Portland. Even more excellent (for me).
I like it. I would do it!! Them, that is!!
Of course if you're pulling the NCL into CUS, it needs to be behind some Burlington E units as the Q handled the St Paul to Chicago portion of the run. And in later years, it was the combind NCL and Empire Builder behind those E units.
If it is true, it'll be nice as the Q used some of the NP cars on some of its' trains.
For 2013, it is going to be the Georgia Railroad Supermixed. There will be two new Budd streamlined coaches, one Pullman 10/6 Sleeper along with the Ortner aggregate hoppers, the Greenville 7,000 cubic foot Wood Chip hoppers, the Sieco Pulpwood cars and an updated 50' waffle sided boxcar. The locos will be Proto GP7's and, in a joint venture, Atlas GP40's, all available in Georgia, AWP and WofA.
Walthers was wanting to release the set for 2012 however the Budd's still need an additional year of weathering out in the elements on the side of a Georgia red clay dirt road to achieve an authentic patina.
Jay