Thanks for the info. I actually didn´t think about any particular stretch of this trip. But maybe that stretch where it´s consist was the longest. Alright, in that case that would make a 12 car train with all cars streamlined except the baggage cars and the diner, which would be heavyweight cars. Interesting to know. I never thought that C&O would keep heavyweight baggages and diners for so long on it´s flagship train.
sakel maybe it's amtrak, with the metroliner and the new consists.
maybe it's amtrak, with the metroliner and the new consists.
I would have to say no on that......heard a few days ago they were canceled because of a lack of pre-orders due to the ridiculously and stupid high prices Walthers was asking.
Dennis Blank Jr.
CEO,COO,CFO,CMO,Bossman,Slavedriver,Engineer,Trackforeman,Grunt. Birdsboro & Reading Railroad
I have posted photos of the unpainted samples of the lunch counter-buffet-lounge car (Chessie Club) and the C&O-style 10-6 sleeper that Walthers showed at the National Train Show in Grand Rapids, at http://www.pmhistsoc.org#news
-Fritz Milhaupt, Publications Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society, Inc.http://www.pmhistsoc.org
I get the idea that from previous posts here that Walthers is downsizing its trains and coming up
with what it THINKS WE modellers would like.I doubt there are enough Amfleet I and II modellers
out there.And why not ask us two years ahead what we would like to see two years down the
road? They could make it a contest as well with the winner getting the whole train! My vote would
at least be noticed like Southern Crescent or SP train during the mid 1950s or something!
As for the recent train I already have a PM baggage car and NKP 52 seat set of coaches so that
10-6 sleeper offer is a tempting repaint to NKP. I already have the NKP header decals!
So I'm tempted to do a City of - car or two.
So..., no news of Walthers (or anyone else) releasing C&O Roadrailers? It was a pipe dream to think they would build a new model for a (probably) low volume run ( I think Roadrailers only ran Detroit to Chicago, and only a few years at that). I am very happy to see the E7 has the single round port hole; it matches photos I've seen of late 60's trains. Can't wait to get the E unit, (Wasn't the last E unit closer to $220?), either way, still excited; but guess I'll keep on having to build my own Roadrailers.lol
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coachriderIf it is the NCL, I sure hope they use the color drift cards now available from the NP Historical society. The colors on their previous runs were awful. If it is a true rumor, then I can't wait!
Had it been the Northern Pacific "North Coast Limited", being a Northern Pacific modeler I would have been mildly interested until I saw the prices being asked by Walthers!
Why would this thread have come back to the surface? How much more mistaken could an original poster be about what was in the works at Walthers?
MerrilyWeRollAlong, any forecasts on the future? Or, did you decide on leaving forecasts up to the meteorologists? At least they're right, maybe 50% of the time!
NP 2626 "Northern Pacific, really terrific"
Northern Pacific Railway Historical Association: http://www.nprha.org/
NP2626 Had it been the Northern Pacific "North Coast Limited", being a Northern Pacific modeler I would have been mildly interested until I saw the prices being asked by Walthers! Why would this thread have come back to the surface? How much more mistaken could an orginal poster be about what was in the works at Walthers?
Why would this thread have come back to the surface? How much more mistaken could an orginal poster be about what was in the works at Walthers?
LOL
I wondered the same thing.
It is called firstpostitus, dredging up an old thread for one's first post. Dunno why people do that.
Rich
Alton Junction
richhotrain NP2626Why would this thread have come back to the surface? How much more mistaken could an orginal poster be about what was in the works at Walthers? LOLI wondered the same thing.It is called firstpostitus, dredging up an old thread for one's first post. Dunno why people do that.
NP2626Why would this thread have come back to the surface? How much more mistaken could an orginal poster be about what was in the works at Walthers?
LOLI wondered the same thing.It is called firstpostitus, dredging up an old thread for one's first post. Dunno why people do that.
By the time the pullman got around to making C&O's pullman standards, the post war passenger business was collapsing quickly. So the C&O sold off most of their new cars because they couldn't support the business cost. (As someone else recently said)
http://www.cohs.org/history/passenger.shtml
Soon after, the C&O started merging with the B&O. You would find all manner of passenger cars mixed together. Heavyweight diners and heavyweight baggage cars were common on the modern C&O trains. You would even see some Dome cars mixed in from the B&O down at the Piedmont Stub/Richmond. I have photographs of such.
One thing Walthers did that was inaccurate was selling a P-S baggage car in the C&O scheme. These were only available on the PM. Rapido and Walthers Heavyweight C&O baggage cars are correct however. (But somewhat hard to find on fleebay) The troop conversion cars would be a better way to go. These were used well into the 50's I believe.
Don - Specializing in layout DC->DCC conversions
Modeling C&O transition era and steel industries There's Nothing Like Big Steam!
Got a Walther's online survey yesterday. Big list of transition era passenger trains to choose from. Was astonished to see the Central of Georgia's Nancy Hanks II along with some Southern named trains and IC's City of New Orleans. Raised an eye brow for Santa Fe's Fast Mail on the wish list. Put my two cent worth at the end for Central of Georgia's Man O'War and joint Cg/IC/ACL City of Miami and Seminole passenger trains. Got to believe and hope!
I would think the IC City of New Orleans would get a lot of votes, a well known train due to Steve Goodman's song, plus a train serving the north and south. It would be nice, if they do that, that the new car's paint matches the current IC cars Walthers has. If you're not aware, the GN Empire Builder cars have a much darker shade of orange than the previous Walthers streamlined GN cars had. I know the darker orange isn't correct, not sure if the earlier one was right or wrong. Either way, makes it hard to mix cars.
I'd like to see them offer the Panama Limited. The City of New Orleans was of course made famous by the song but it was a day train and Walthers likes sleepers for their featured train. Seems like the Panama Limited would be a good choice.
DigitalGriffin That is a very nice "rumor." RichHOTrain should be as happy as a pig in mud (if it's true.) Walthers always tried to put their latest kits onto a 4x8 sheet mainly for shows. I wonder how they are going to handle the massive stub ended Chicago station. They will require a lot of WYE turnouts which are considerable space hogs. I keep hoping for a "George Washington" Richmond VA station. (Serviced by the Seaboard, C&O, and Amtrak) But I'm not holding my breath. The station is actually quite compact for a large city station, but depends entirely on elevated trestles above city streets. Just to the South was the Southern RR.
That is a very nice "rumor." RichHOTrain should be as happy as a pig in mud (if it's true.)
Walthers always tried to put their latest kits onto a 4x8 sheet mainly for shows. I wonder how they are going to handle the massive stub ended Chicago station. They will require a lot of WYE turnouts which are considerable space hogs.
I keep hoping for a "George Washington" Richmond VA station. (Serviced by the Seaboard, C&O, and Amtrak) But I'm not holding my breath. The station is actually quite compact for a large city station, but depends entirely on elevated trestles above city streets. Just to the South was the Southern RR.
I would also love if someone were to offer the Main Street Station. I think Richmond Va would be an exciting area to model, with the triple crossing, viaducts sockhoe botton and the tobbaco warehouses
Wow, this is truly the Energizer Bunny thread.
richhotrainWow, this is truly the Energizer Bunny thread.
The Nancy Hanks would be awesome. I have a good friend that is a former engineer on the CofG, and has been really wanting some prototype Central passenger equipment in plastic.
I know Walthers likes to concentrate on a particular train, and doesn't show any interest in the whole roster of any single railroad. However, their new P-S 10-6's seem to be breaking that pattern. They're not doing entire trains for most of the roads that used these cars, such as NKP, D&RGW, B&O, etc. I'd like to think this is the way they want to go in the future, but I'm not getting my hopes up. They did the Broadway Ltd., which gave us several usable PRR cars; but the lounge and tail car were unique to the Broadway and were not quite the same as the much more numerous lounges and tail cars used on other PRR trains such as the Spirit of St. Louis, the Liberty Limited, and the Cincinnati Limited. A P-S 14-4 would also be nice, lettered for MoPac, T&P, SL-SF, Katy, B&O, KCS, and perhaps a few others. That would take us a ways forward in putting together a Penn-Texas. And lest we forget, Walthers never released its Plan 4140 sleeper in L&N lettering on a Tuscan red car for interliner service over the PRR. That was a lost opportunity.
Interesting seeing this thread. Imho, as mentioned, there's nothing wrong with bring up an older topic as long as the newer posts add new info or interesting points to the discussion.
Anway, I realize the chances are slim, but I hope that Walthers would consider running another batch of Metroliners in the Penn Central scheme. There were a number of modelers interested as this was the version that the Metrolinenr first entered service in with a number of them remaining in that scheme well into the Amtrak era.
I would have purchased the Pennsy set and changed out the decals, but the price tag was far too steep. Purchasing the Amtrak version to disassemble and strip the shells was suggested, but it's not a scenario that I relish.
For me, it's ironic as I was one of the modelers requesting Walthers and other manufacturers to produce the Metros starting in the mid 2000s.
"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
Zombie or walking dead topic - never heard that before - maybe I need to find that forum and read it more. Other - non-train forums call it "necro-ing" a topic, in some forums it's against the rules to "necro" a long dead topic. I always thought it an odd term; necro meaning dead basically so to necro a topic in plain terms would be to make it dead? Not raise it from the dead? Who knows.
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I talked, at length, to the Walther's representatives at a train show in March (RMD TCA March 1 in Denver). They candidly told me they were shy of doing any trains from the Southeast. Apparently SE road names don't see well in general. When I pressed they did say a re-run of the UP Cities of was a very good possibility as it had sold out so quickly, but they did not give any hints of what the next new thing would be. I dropped a hint for the Denver Zephyr.
When I told them they were coming out with stuff too quickly, it seems they had also never thought of people like me who model the trains not a specific road. Apparently they figured someone who bought the El Capitan would not consider buying a Broadway Limited. So they overlapped them making it too expensive for me to buy all of each.
I also said they needed to get off the E and F unit motive power and get some PAs or FM units to pull the named trains.
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I assume you're an HO modeler. I'd look to Broadway Limited for Zephyr cars. I've seen that Walthers are going to come out with a U.P. Executive train although the E units won't have ditch lights and only a few of the cars are close to being accurate for the rivet counters amonst us. Walters Proto 2000 pretty much is the PA leader and there are plenty out there. The Faribanks Morse are more of a brass item. The manufacturers like to make and sell stuff that uses molds which require slight re-tooling and accessories in order to keep production costs down.
Left Coast RailI assume you're an HO modeler. I'd look to Broadway Limited for Zephyr cars.
Walters Proto 2000 pretty much is the PA leader and there are plenty out there. The Faribanks Morse are more of a brass item.
Texas Zepher They candidly told me they were shy of doing any trains from the Southeast. Apparently SE road names don't see well in general.
They candidly told me they were shy of doing any trains from the Southeast. Apparently SE road names don't see well in general.
I suppose SE road names don't do well becasue they do so few of them that they never get a following. Kind of like everyone models ATSF, UP, or Pennsy because that's they mostly make. Self fullfilling and so forth.
ManOWarthe Central of Georgia, the Georgia RR and affiliates A&WP, WRofA)
personally, I love these name trains. As an early Amtrak modeler, everytime they come out with a new name train, its usually a car I can use for my own prototype consists. If i'm lucky, they even make the car in Amtrak phase I, though i've had to custom paint a few. It beats building core kits!
Modeling Conrail, Amtrak and NJ DOT under the wires in New Jersey, July 1979.
I would think Walthers Pere Marquette train wouldn't be interesting to that many modellers, at least I'd think there would be more people interested in a train on the SAL, ACL, Southern, CofG etc. - especially one of the long-distance trains running from the North to Florida. Yet Walthers did the Pere Marquette train.