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Posted by TMarsh on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:26 AM

I had an NBC NCO early in my career who could quote the FM chapter and verse. Impressive. However every time the NBC team got evaluated they would fail and have to re test. Usually a Junior NCO would take charge and they would pass. For the rest of my time with Uncle Sam, I never fully trusted someone who could quote FM's and TM's. I always felt it was better in most situations other than a classroom, to remember and know what to do in a situation when my boots were on the ground than to remember where it was, exactly, in a book.

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Posted by Blazzin on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:32 AM

  "Coffee Please"

  Whew,  the rain stopped.  For how long I dont' know.  You know the song,  It Never Rains In Southern California...but don't they warn ya,  it pours.. man it pours.  One tornado actually touched down at my wife's workplace.  Jeanne said the sky got dark, real dark.  I couldn't believe the wind, if it wasn't raining.. the wind gusts where really something.  And I believe more storms are the way.  My son and daughter are suppose to go back to college this Monday,  they're both stuck down here till the storms slow down.  Keith

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:35 AM

 

Blazzin
  So whats the actual weight of the car?  Few pennies?.  And just what exactly do you achieve.. or striving for when you add the weight?   Does it run on the tracks better?  Is there some rule of thumb here?  Thanks  Keith
The weight of the car with the container on it is 5 ounces. It's an 8 inch car (measured coupler face to coupler face) and assumes 1 ounce of initial weight with an additional half ounce added for each inch of length. That comes to 5 ounces. The weight makes a too-light car heavier and it will track better and will resist string-lining (tipping over) in a curve. This page from the NMRA recommended practices explains it quite well.

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Posted by TMarsh on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:38 AM

Keith- Jeff gotcha on yor question, might I add this link . It is the page from which the page Jeff gave you is linked. It is also the full list of standards and recommendations. They may probably will prove quite helpful in your building of the Empire.Thumbs Up

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 22, 2010 11:05 AM

 Good Evening Everyone,

Flo, is it OK to come in? I heard we had a visit from ... and Vinnie took care of him? Good to see that things have been straightened out by the mods!

Left the GULAG early today. A friend of mine came over and the two of us did some of the remaining w*rk in our apartment. Other than a few pictures to hang up on the wall and a few odd things in the bathroom, we are nearly finished. Tomorrow I will be over at his place to "play with trains". Smile

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, January 22, 2010 11:44 AM

 Keith: in the following photo is one of may Bachmann flats with containers load. The car is 7 inches long and was a little light. After the addition of a little weight inside the containers the weight of the car is now 4.5 ounces, just what it should be. 1 ounce + 1/2 ounce for each inch = 4.5. For weight I use coins, modeling clay, nuts, bolts, etc.


 

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Posted by Trainman Sam on Friday, January 22, 2010 11:54 AM

Hello all!!!!  That's right, I got an early quit today!

Chloe, may I please have a LARGE RBF with "The Works" (sprinkles and cherry on top) along with a giant slice of keylime pie? Thank you, I'll just take this over to the corner booth! Oh, and please get my friends whatever they want!?! ON ME!!!

I passed all my written tests for Transit!!! Thank you for your thoughts and support... I only missed a total of five questions out of around 80-100 (not sure exactly how many there were)!

I have the weekend off, but I have to report for duty monday morning @ 2am... I begin four weeks of trainhandling!  Week One will be out of New York, 2nd week out of Bay Head, 3rd week out of Morrisville, and final week out of Long Branch!  I am both anxious and releived to finally be to this point!

Vincent- The envelope is on its way!  Sorry I didn't get it out yesterday.

Now now people, can't we all just get along!?!

 

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Posted by ns3010 on Friday, January 22, 2010 12:33 PM

Afternoon all. Chloe, I'll take a RBF, thanks.

I can't stay, cause I've got a lot to do today. I woke up this morning at 8, looked at my phone, woke up "5 minutes later" and it was 11!!!!!!!!! So Imma gonna be busy...

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Posted by Trainman Sam on Friday, January 22, 2010 1:52 PM

Philip, Hope your wife is doing well?  Tell her that Sam & Sue say hi!!! 

*rubbing eyes tiredly*  Hey, may I please have a cup of coffee, Choe?  I be tired beyond belief... staring at my Newark Division Timetable, figured out I have to be in Morrisville by 12:33am if I'm gonna catch the last train out to New York Penn.  Have a sign-up time of 2:34am, and the Xtrain (a non-passenger carrying "passenger" train, otherwise known as a deadhead train...) will get me there at 1:44am... then I'll be done around noon...

Chris- Flush, Kansas... You wouldn't happen to have a drawing of the way the town was supposed to look do you, or the "trackplan" as it were?(ANOTHER EDIT:  I'm searching for the book online...)  I was looking at Flush via G**gle Earth, and found St. George but am slightly lost.  How does Rock Creek run through Flush? (EDIT: Absolutely NO PUN intended there. sorry!)

You got ME interested in Flush, and how it might have looked!!!  Now I want to see it too! dag nabbit...

I found Flush on "B!ng M*ps" as well

http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/0.6002=q:Flush,+Kansas:lat:39.2139696434395:long:-96.4205630422724:nosp:0:adj:0&1.6002=q:St.+George,+Kansas:lat:40.3644134204188:long:-74.953674482236:nosp:0:adj:0&o=&a=0:1/5872/style=be&lat=qjg61s&lon=6yx61z&alt=304.382233&z=14&pid=5874

Is that a highschool next to the pin? Looks like an amazing area!

I'll need a refill coffee when you get a minute Chloe, please?  I hope everyone else has had a good/great day today?  I think I'll try out one of the stools at the RC... Thanks Chloe!

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Posted by AmanaMedic on Friday, January 22, 2010 2:31 PM

Good afternoon... uh, did I miss something?  Oh well.

What's THAT VINNIE? Nothing to see here? Move along? Yes SIR!

SAM: Congrats on passing the exams, knew you'd nail 'em. Yep...you found Flush. Prior to all the Google Earth, Bing, etc. sites, I used to tell people "you couldn't find Flush on the best day you ever had." Now...I can zoom-in on Eldon's farm (corner of Louisville Road and Rockingham, SE corner). Freaky, in a way.

Flush is north of St. George.

My Dad sent me a .pdf scanned out of the book. It looks like the town was supposed to run mostly east-west off of the Flush road, just south of the church. Rock Creek is about a mile or so east of Flush. It crosses Louisville Road as it meanders kinda north-south. I'm trying to figure out why the elevator was put so far out of even the speculated borders of the town. Wamego (where the RR would've originated) is SE of Flush, Westmoreland is north, kinda northeast. It seems to me, the RR would've had to run along the south side of Flush to get to the elevator, then swung a big curve back to the north. The plat of the town doesn't show the RR...also kinda strange, especially since the RR was the whole reason for laying out a town in the first place. Confused

And yep...it is a fantastic part of God's Great Earth. The few days each year I spent there as a kid visiting Grandpa and Grandma (and Uncle Eldon) were among the best. As a college "student," I'd go there on break. As an "adult," I used to go hide from reality there for vacations. I say "hide from reality" because a) I couldn't hear my phone from there, b) no e-mail, c) no voice-mail, d) like Jack Bauer (24), I could "go dark" or "off the grid."

Oh yeah, THAT is Rock Creek High School...next to the "pin." It was built 10 or 15 years ago as part of the Consolodated School District for the area. The original Flush school was owned/run by the church. I think Dad said there were 6 in his class.

 

 

Plans for a warmer, but rainy and windy weekend: sketch ideers for the Pott County Railway (featuring "The Flush Flyer" and "The Flusher"), ideers for the Cedar Rapids CNW debacle...and finger-out rough dimensions of the St. George elevator. I was to go cover an ice fishing class...but with fluctuating temperatures the past few days, heavy rain and near 40 degrees expected tomorrow...the County Conservation folks figured the ice might be a bit..."iffy."

I'll be in a back booth gazing towards Flush...thinking of summer days of youth...Eight Ball

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Posted by tbdanny on Friday, January 22, 2010 3:02 PM
G'day all

Chloe, just a cheeseburger and fries, thanks.

Well, my first night of on-call went very well.  The only pages I got were while I was heading home yesterday, so they were handled by my colleagues.  Nothing at all last night.  Given that this is the case, I'm anticipaing a quiet Saturday of model railroading ahead of me.  The package I picked up yesterday arvo was the Shay, so figuring out how to get DCC in that thing will be fun.  BTW, does anyone know if Shays had glass in the windows?

Sam - congratulations on passing your exams.  I hope your first few weeks of trainhandling go well for you.

Der - Thanks for the information and picture on the Root Beer Float.  I don't think it would float my boat either - I can beerly Smile stand ice in my drink, let alone icecream.

Chris - Thanks.  As for 'Topeka', I picked it becasue I didn't think 'Atchison' or 'Santa Fe' would work for a cat's name Big Smile.  So it's one of your favourite places?  How so?

Ulrich - I'm not entirely sure if I've got this straight.  How did Germany weather the recent financial crisis?

Phillip - hope your wife's going well.

Well, I'll be over at that table by the window.

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Posted by AmanaMedic on Friday, January 22, 2010 3:18 PM

tbdanny
And as for 'Topeka', I picked it becasue I didn't think 'Atchison' or 'Santa Fe' would work for a cat's name Big Smile.  So it's one of your favourite places?  How so?

DANNY: One of the several routes THAT lead me to (yep, here we go again guys, bear with me...) Flush, runs through Topeka. US Highway 24 parallells the Union Pacific mainline (originally Kansas Pacific) between Kansas City and Denver, Colorado. The line splits just west of Topeka with a line angling up to the major east-west "Transcontinental Main" or "Overland Route" in Nebraska. From the junction on west, it's all single track going through small farm towns such as Silver Lake, Rossville, St. Mary's, Wamego, St. George, and the non-exsistant town of Swamp Angel (just a grain elevator there) before passing along the edge of Manhattan ("the Little Apple") and Junction City. It also passes through Fort Riley, home of the famous 1st. Infantry Division..."The Big Red One."

At Grandpa's house, we got the TV stations out of Topeka, both of 'em. 27 and 13 WIBW.

Later in life, I'd hear Topeka Fire on the scanner, and my fire dept. pager was on the same frequency (154.430)...they had some real charecters working as Lieutenants and Captains on their engines and trucks! EvilMischief Very entertaining.

I never did see the Santa Fe part of Topeka... I think BNSF has greatly down-sized operations there.

As for the RBF... oh Pal, you haven't LIVED! Good 'ole root beer with a big glob or two of vanillia ice cream in it...ambrosia! Dinner Coke floats and/or Pepsi floats are good too...but the classic American RBF... mmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm! Yeah!!

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, January 22, 2010 5:21 PM

 Been doing good today. I weighted several cars to NMRA specs and did some work on a flatcar. Twisted my left ankle during exercises today. Nothing serious. It'll be a forgotten memory by tomorrow. I was looking at my trackside diner today and thought that it needs a fuel source for the stoves and such and I just happened to remember that I have an old N Scale single dome tank car. I stripped the tank from the body, roughed it up a little then painted it silver. Voila, instant propane tank.

I see there's an announcement on the main page about system maintenance this weekend.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Friday, January 22, 2010 5:33 PM

howmus

Sawyer sounds like you should have an interesting year next year.  Some work cut out for you, but I know you will do very well with the course load.

 

Thanks Ray. actually, next year's course load, in theory is lighter than last year. However, spanish is going to be a SERIOUS pain in the you know where, haha.

LONG friday today. had two quizzes I didn't study for (think i aced them though, we'll see) and overall just a slow day. looks like a slow weekend. Tomorrow I've got a basketball game and then I'll hopefully complete all the research I need for a project. and Sunday I have a rugby scrimmage, which is going to rock!

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Friday, January 22, 2010 6:11 PM

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howmus

Sawyer sounds like you should have an interesting year next year.  Some work cut out for you, but I know you will do very well with the course load.

 

Thanks Ray. actually, next year's course load, in theory is lighter than last year. However, spanish is going to be a SERIOUS pain in the you know where, haha.

I was going to mention that it does look like the course load might not be as bad---then again I remember that a few 'bird courses' turned out to be real bears instead. Spanish can be expected to be 'interesting' at times--Whistling

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Good evening--

Sam: Next week sounds like it's going to be an exciting week--going to be running real trains!!Smile,Wink, & Grin

My day was spent getting more and more stubbier. **sniffle sniffle hack coff coff--HONK!!** So I'b startig to think that it be a good idea to call ub the obbice todight and tell TA to do the thing herself with another fellow. **Hack hack coff coff coff--sniffle snurfle HONK!!**

Chloe, I'll hab a coffee and a large chocolate cream pie----no not for throwing--for eating please---I'll be at the corner booth for now---**coff coff sniffle HONK!!**

 

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Posted by Packer on Friday, January 22, 2010 6:40 PM

Evening ya'll

I learned a bit of physics today, without ever setting foot in a physics class. Torque wrench + stipped bolt head + oil covered pavement + 200 ft/lbs. of toque on said wrench = major pain Torque wrench slipped on the bolt, then I lost my footing and slammed my knee into the ground. Torque wrench them came up and hit me in the gut, then hit my head on a brake disc while coming down...

Der, doubt it's lack of vitamin D, I've actually been outside alot. I may have figured out why I was (and still am) down in the dumps. I tried to friend request the people I used to hang out with in HS on facebook; only to have them ALL denied. Maybe 3 years is too late to try and catch up? That and around the same time, all the girls I was talking to quit talking to me... Still trying to keep a positive outlook on things. After all, if this year has gone soo wrong already, it can't get much worse; right?

Keith, Electronic scales make things so much easier when weighing cars.

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Posted by LSWrr on Friday, January 22, 2010 7:46 PM

Ulrich, do any of your local hobby stores carry spare parts for Rivarossi 4-8-8-4’s?

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, January 22, 2010 7:51 PM

Packer
I learned a bit of physics today, without ever setting foot in a physics class. Torque wrench + stipped bolt head + oil covered pavement + 200 ft/lbs. of toque on said wrench = major pain Torque wrench slipped on the bolt, then I lost my footing and slammed my knee into the ground. Torque wrench them came up and hit me in the gut, then hit my head on a brake disc while coming down...

I always thought physics was a major pain. Algebra and trigonometry weren't far behind.Laugh

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Posted by fec153 on Friday, January 22, 2010 7:58 PM

what parts in particular?  or just anything?

Flip

- -  . . .    . . . - -                = 73

dah dah dit dit dit        dit dit dit dah dah      = 73.

 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, January 22, 2010 8:07 PM

 Algebra was a pain in the butt and trigonometry was a major pain in the neck.

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Posted by Packer on Friday, January 22, 2010 8:11 PM

Algebra was (and still is) quite easy to me. However when I looked at one trigonometry problem and my head starting hurting. It may come easy once I figure out how to do it.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, January 22, 2010 8:30 PM

Packer

Algebra was (and still is) quite easy to me. However when I looked at one trigonometry problem and my head starting hurting. It may come easy once I figure out how to do it.

It's very easy for some. Math was never my strong suit.

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Posted by TMarsh on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:01 PM

Howdy, RBF please. And a piece of Chess Pie.

Just got back from taking a few things to Goodwill from Mom's house and seeing about getting rid of some Beauty shop things. Now I'm tired for some reason.

Jeff- Thanks for the heads up about the maintenance. Hopefully I won't sign out and be locked out this time like I was the lastBanged Head.

I always liked math. Especially when my teacher, a very attractive lady, would erase the blackboards. That's when physics came in. Gravity and the opposing force required to reach the high spots while wiping the board, resulted in a fluctuating response from well proportioned Gluteus MaximiBig Smile. I also took Biology.

I think I'll sit down at the RC and reflect on her prototypes.Whistling

 

 

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Posted by TMarsh on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:17 PM

Say, I forgot to sya CONGRATULATIONS SAM!!!! Keep it up Hoss, we're pullin' for ya!

Also I noticed a few of "comment removed" 's and a couple of missing uh... shall we say...spills. A special thanks to the mods for stopping by and cleaning up the mess. Bow

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Posted by howmus on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:22 PM

 Evening folks!

Flo just a decafe to calm my nerves...  I'll be somewhere away from where Barry is coughing and hacking.  Last thing I need is to get sick!

Just spend a little over an hour trying to get my G5 to connect to the Mac Mini....  Grrrrrr!  The Mac Mini can see and connect to the G5.  No problem.   Ends up I just needed to tell the mini to allow other computers on the network to connect to it.   Had a real Duh! moment.

I am now keeping a copy of SOFTRACK Inventory backed up on my main computer every time I make some changes, hence the need to connect them.  Got the info for a dozen or so cars typed in tonight.

I had little problem with math in HS, but hated my Algebra and Trig teacher with a passion (same guy).  My Geometry teacher was a sweet, kind older teacher who everyone loved.  She was also knew the subjects!  Brilliant teacher and a wonderful lady!  I got a 96 on the NYS Regents in Trig just to spite the jerk we had for a teacher.  He finally asked for a second leave of absence in 3 years, board of education said fine take it and don't come back (he was violating policy by taking the second within that time period.  My Dad was on the School Board at the time and was thrilled to see him go........Evil  Today he would have been brought up on charges and probably landed in jail for some of the things he said to students (more than a bit crude and vulgar!)

I was told by a MMR friend to use Pliobond to glue handlaid track down to the ties.  Got a bottle of the stuff.  He also told me his method wich involved letting the glue partially dry before putting the track in place.  Then using a soldering iron on the track to fix the rail firmly to the ties.  have any of you used this method?  I would like step by step directions if any of you have done it this way.

Hope you are all having a good evening!

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Posted by Trainman Sam on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:32 PM

Barry- I hope you start feeling better... Weekends are not to be spent sick! (Although that seems to be the way with me too... Grrr)

Maintenance??? This weekend??? How am I supposed to stay awake if my favorite website is closed... where am I going to sleep, if not in the diner??? LOL  We shall see, shan't we!?!

Todd- I loved 10th grade Spanish2 for a very similar reason... She was awesomely gorgeous! Also first year teacher, which meant she was only 22-25years old (but didn't look a day over 19, which we were all shocked that she was our teacher when she walked into the classroom. but THAT is another story)  I asked her to my senior prom, believe it or not!  (she blushed BIG time, but had to refuse...)

Ray- I once overheated the rail, fused it to the tie, WAY out of gauge... so, if you do that method, keep checking the gauge of the rail...

Thanks again for all the support while I am training, I sure appreciate the "positive energy" coming my way!

Chloe, may I have a GIANT cup of coffee with an IV drip?  I have to get into this sleep habit for my shifts this week... going from sleeping at night, to working from 2am is going to be interesting!  I'll be sleep reading at the RC for a while... seems someone is in the corner booth (or now jokingly refered to as the "fortress of solitude" Lol)

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Posted by GMTRacing on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:35 PM

Good Evening All,

    Now that we've all been to the woodshed is it safe to return? I'd like a RBF and a slice of apple pie ala-mode please. Long day at w..k but productive in the long run. I had pretty much destroyed the wing mount I'd spent all day on in the last few minutes of yesterday. Started over today and had a much better result and also ended up with a perfectly good new fixture board.

   Tomorrow we need to put a full day in getting the Chevron B-17 back up to schedule as it needs to leave in about a week. Still learning how to use the laptop I take on the road - have now learned how to leave the radio feature on while surfing and responding - and yes my favorite band was playing when I tuned inSmile,Wink, & Grin.

   Vincent - I feel your pain as in been there, done that. Always better to try to brace the wrench head with one hand while pulling the wrench towards you. Of course the car design sometimes thwarts you. Hope the rotor survived the hit ok.

   Busy, busy Jeff - nice w.rk. I did get to spend a few minutes fixing up some freight cars with decent wheelsets and Kaydee couplers for the after school program. We had a batch of donated stock with horn hooks and plastic wheels. Still need to do more and weigh them as well. I do have a life time supply of used tape a weight which helps keep the weight low better than nuts and washers.

   My Audi crew got back from Ohio where they had gone to sort through available used parts and got to visit a huge S scale multi level club layout Even took some pics to show me bless their hearts.

  I see my order is up - think I'll just hang here a while.  J.R.

Ray - yes I've used the pliobond (or goo or other rubber cement) method and it works well if the rail is close to the right shape. If it's sprung it will likely spring back out of the way. Hope that helps.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:38 PM

TMarsh

I always liked math. Especially when my teacher, a very attractive lady, would erase the blackboards. That's when physics came in. Gravity and the opposing force required to reach the high spots while wiping the board, resulted in a fluctuating response from well proportioned Gluteus MaximiBig Smile. I also took Biology.

I think I'll sit down at the RC and reflect on her prototypes.Whistling

 

I remember a certain Chemistry teacher we had for both 10 and 11 who was like that....Whistling

I had very good marks in those classes too, gee, must've been paying more attention then---Smile,Wink, & GrinWhistling

 

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Posted by ns3010 on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:52 PM

Evening all. Janie, I'll take an RBF, thanks.

Congrats, Sam, on passing! And have fun deadheading from Morrisville to be in NYP that early! Whaddya mean there's no revenue EBs that late... Tongue
Seems like they're having you do a week out of almost all the major yards. They're not making you do a week out of County as well?

Hmm, it seems like we're talking about math. Algebra is kinda difficult. We should be starting Trig soon, even though I have no clue what it is (Innt that great, I signed up for a class, and don't even know what it is!)
I liked Geometry last year, except for the proofs. That was the biggest PITA of my life...

I gotta go. Night!

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