AGGRO- Thanks for the tip of 1000 grit wet sandpaper. I've tried dry before with less than desired results.
I have a qustion. Why use a gloss finish in the mix? Why not just stick with dullcote all the way trough. I've heard of using Future before (I also remember it well when advertised as floor polish) but assumed it was dull the way we use it. The way you describe it is..... glossy?
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LocoIn any case, what is the deal with the future floor wax?!?!?! Can you elaborate on this a bit? Is it a spray?? How is that applied.
Haven't tried Future myself, but google makes it fairly easy to find info on most subjects:
http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html
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TMarsh AGGRO- Thanks for the tip of 1000 grit wet sandpaper. I've tried dry before with less than desired results. I have a qustion. Why use a gloss finish in the mix? Why not just stick with dullcote all the way trough. I've heard of using Future before (I also remember it well when advertised as floor polish) but assumed it was dull the way we use it. The way you describe it is..... glossy?
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AggroJonesCause you can't apply decals on a flat surface. Future makes it glossy smooth.
I can't believe I didn't think of that. Thanks.
these are some great tips aggro, you should post them over at MTW...
terry, isn't this a thread about weathered models?
jeremy
After saying I wouldn't show any, I decided to try some more weathering because this is a very inspiring thread. I had a bash at a very cheap one - old Lifelike.
No airbrush so it's all brushed-on acrylics. Just a trace of pastel dust on there from a half-hearted earlier effort. I went over the top of it.
Feel free to let me know how bad it is.
Mike
Modelling the UK in 00, and New England - MEC, B&M, D&H and Guilford - in H0
mike,
i think that car actually looks pretty good... i like the colors on the door and the overall grunginess works well... a quick tip, you can add a little bit darker color to the center of your rust spots and it will add more depth to your rust...
mikelh do you care to tell us how you did your trucks?
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Thanks Jeremy I'll give that a go!
Aggro the trucks were just burnt sienna with a bit of black mixed into it, then some raw umber plus a little white dragged over the top later on.
Dulling your cars.....
I have tried 3 items so far.
1. Dullcoat
2. Sauve Hairspray
3. Krylon or Rustoleum Matte Finish
I find that the Dullcoat looks to most "dull" of the 3. Is there another economical alternative that has the dullness as Dullcoat?
Thanks, Hansel
HanselDulling your cars..... I have tried 3 items so far. 1. Dullcoat 2. Sauve Hairspray 3. Krylon or Rustoleum Matte Finish I find that the Dullcoat looks to most "dull" of the 3. Is there another economical alternative that has the dullness as Dullcoat? Thanks, Hansel
If you are restricted to only using "Rattle Cans", Dull*Cote" will always give you the best look. Krylon and Rustoleum Matte finish is just that, a "Matte" (Creates a soft permanent satin finish. Eliminates light reflection.) and not a true dull finish. Hairspray has a gloss to it.
There are quite a few model applicable alternatives in liquid form, but they all must be sprayed with an air brush.
HanselI find that the Dullcoat looks to most "dull" of the 3. Is there another economical alternative that has the dullness as Dullcoat? Thanks, Hansel
I'm thinking of trying out that DullCoat myself--how light of a coat do you spray on--and can you do this with 'Rattle Cans'?
Are Alcohol washes using brush effective in dulling? They seem to be doing something but-----?
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Dull Coat comes in spray can and in bottles for use in a air brush. The air brush will give you a thinner coat, but if your careful the spray can will work just as good IMO. A alcohol wash is good for making grime etc, but I don't think its much in the way of dulling, just dirtying up a car.
Aggro,
Another fine car.
DT&Ifan Aggro, Another fine car.
blownout cylinder I'm thinking of trying out that DullCoat myself--how light of a coat do you spray on--and can you do this with 'Rattle Cans'? Are Alcohol washes using brush effective in dulling? They seem to be doing something but-----?
My first attempt at weathering a trio of Soo Line covered hoppers. I think they turned out cheesy. I'm not happy with the results at all. I tried to copy the original picture shown here, but just couldn't get the rust patch to stop short of the bottom of the car. I tried gouache wash, but it ended up everywhere giving the entire car a "rusty" look. Chalk weathering didn't really give me the look I was looking for either as it really wasn't the right color and tended to pile up on the bottom rim of the hopper, also I couldn't tell what the top of the hopper should look like, so I'm sure its wrong too.
So I've decided its a "fantasy" car as nueterino would say.....Must be the term you give a car when you screw it up?
Driline: I've seen a few hoppers that had that bottom ledge get a lot of surface rust like the ones you've done. "Fantasy" or not they seem to work here. Which reminds me--I need to bring the camera along so when I go by the 'racetrack'--CN's yards here in London ON--I can take those ferschluggener pix---they do come in handy
AggroJones
Ooo, oo, ooo!!! I just happened to wander in here tonight. Lost track after the first page or so and see this! OK Aggro, tell me about that car. How did you come to do that, and is it for sale??? The Finger Lakes Scenic Railway is my local railroad and I don't often see models of any of their cars. Inquiring minds want to know! Another WOW from Aggro BTW!
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Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO
We'll get there sooner or later!
Thanks you. The paint scheme is actually similar to a group of SRN owned FMC boxcars. I went with FGLK because they own all kinds of weirdo patch job boxcars. I think the overall look fits.
Yes its already sold.
Drilline although those hoppers don't quite look like that photo I have seen real hoppers that look like the ones you did. BTW a crazy, even more rustastic than the shot you used, Accurail Soo hopper is on my list of things to do. On the back burners.
AggroJonesDrilline although those hoppers don't quite look like that photo I have seen real hoppers that look like the ones you did. BTW a crazy, even more rustastic than the shot you used, Accurail Soo hopper is on my list of things to do. On the back burners.
Lets move that job to the front burner shall we? I wanna see how its SUPPOSED to look.
AggroJonesThanks you. The paint scheme is actually similar to a group of SRN owned FMC boxcars. I went with FGLK because they own all kinds of weirdo patch job boxcars. I think the overall look fits. Yes its already sold.
They sure do have a bunch of weirdo patch job box cars. I think every one they own falls into that class.
Let me know if you do another!!!
Driline - I like your cars. They are showing rust stains running down the side of the cars. Your prototype reflecs either a film of rust on the side sheetmetal resulting from the original paint (both finished and prime coats) having worn away, or the finish coat has worn off and we are seeing the primer coat. Either are possible as we were running the Soo cars all during the mid-70s when I worked for ACF. That's a long time for any paint to be around.
2 identical Details West BN boxcars.....
1) air brush diluted white polly scale paint to get the fade (next time floquil oil based for smoother look)
2) alcohol and india ink mixture to darken crevices and smooth fade
3) sophisticated finishes for rust, diluted with water
4) A.I.M. mixed rust colored chalk over sophisticated finishes to blend in rust
5) dark gray, brown chalk to weather car sides...lightly.
6) NO Gouache used at all on this car.
7) Seal with floquil flat finish mixed with 50% thinner
Next boxcar
I could crank these out in my sleep. And I'm sure if you ask Aggro, he'll tell you it looks like I did just that!
2nd boxcar
I guess I will add some.
"Rust, whats not to love?"