blownout cylinderI take it that Route 66 isn't too far away? HMMHMM
Right through town. Apparently you are familiar with our little neighbor about 10 miles to the north?
Todd
Central Illinoyz
In order to keep my position as Master and Supreme Ruler of the House, I don't argue with my wife.
I'm a small town boy. A product of two people from even smaller towns. I don’t talk on topic….. I just talk.
TMarsh "Pack-A-Pig" I LOVE IT!!!!! You just can't make up that kinda stuff!!! That's better than the Pig Hip restaraunt in a neighboring town of 100 people before the family of 8 moved out 3 years ago.(lowering the voice and thrusting the left hand into the pocket of the bibs while rocking forward on the balls of my feet rolling the toothpick off to the side of my mouth and pushing the brim of my hat back on my head to scratch in the area of my right temple)"Gonna run own down tu the local Pack-A Pig and grab me a sam-mich. Wanna ride along?"
"Pack-A-Pig" I LOVE IT!!!!! You just can't make up that kinda stuff!!! That's better than the Pig Hip restaraunt in a neighboring town of 100 people before the family of 8 moved out 3 years ago.(lowering the voice and thrusting the left hand into the pocket of the bibs while rocking forward on the balls of my feet rolling the toothpick off to the side of my mouth and pushing the brim of my hat back on my head to scratch in the area of my right temple)"Gonna run own down tu the local Pack-A Pig and grab me a sam-mich. Wanna ride along?"
I take it that Route 66 isn't too far away? HMMHMM
Any argument carried far enough will end up in Semantics--Hartz's law of rhetoric Emerald. Leemer and Southern The route of the Sceptre Express Barry
I just started my blog site...more stuff to come...
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Evening folks!
By golly, I'll rahd down tu the place wit ya. Dat done sound goooooooooooood! (I think I just mixed my metaphores there for a bit....)
We had a great 2 and a half hours of running trains this afternoon. The youngest operator is about 11 or 12 and is a natural. He slows the train to a stop and starts up slowly. He isn't so good about making sure the turnouts are thrown properly for his route..... We had 3 trains operating on the layout most of the time. The big obstacle is "Bare Hill" which is single track mainline and has to be climbed to get out an back to Hopewell Junction and to get over to the other side of the layout and back to Hopewell Junction. It actually was planned that way and works like a charm. The crews spent some time figuring out what was the best way to handle the hill. The father of the kid also decided he likes not having just a loop or two of track (which is what he has at home) and started enjoying doing more operating of the train. When I really start formall operations, of course, each train will have instructions on where to stop and wait. Of course yesterday there were no derailments or any other problem running the layout. Today.............. Found one spot where trains kept hanging up. Either got a derailment or the train just stopped and spun its wheels. After some searching we found a chunk of scenery that evidently had been working its way out to the track. Still firmly glued in place, mind you, but every train was touching it enough so that it was worse every time. Removed the hunk of scenery (of course this is in one of the places you can't reach easily...) and problem gone. One of the Kadee #5 couplers on a coal car decided to fall off. Don't ask! Removed the car, and then derailments started happening on a bridge. The safty rail inside the trackage had shifted out of specs and every once in a while a truck would ride up on it and derail. Fixed that tonight. We were having derailment in one other spot and darned if I can figure out why??? I ran a car over it several times and can't feel anything out of the ordinary. Since it was usually the tender on the loco that derailed, it may be the wires binding between the loco and tender. Why that would only happen there, I don't know.
Went to a Blue and Gold Dinner tonight for the Pack I am Commissioner to. Fun time, good Ziti Dinner, and a very, very nice awards program. every kid went home with something. (It helps to have one of the leaders own an trophy business.......) This is a pack that has been coming back to life over the last 4 or 5 years. Nice to see it growing and giving the boys a great program. One new leader has a father that works for one of the railroads in the area. They will get a tour of the facilities and maybe a cab ride this summer. Cool, huh?
Hope you all have a good evening!
Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO
We'll get there sooner or later!
Evenin' all, Whew was out and about in the forums and lost track of time. Think I'll have some pecan pie and a big glass of milk also. Sounds good Robby.
Didn't do much today, Went to Church of course, took the dog for a truck ride, walked the dog, took the dog for another truck ride, went and visited with the mother-in -law and now here I am tired.
Looks like everyone had a pretty good time.
Sounds like the WGH trains shows was iffy but the good one sounded real good. It must have given you a bit of a chuckle seeing the brats parents having to pay for their, um shall we say... little darlings behavior. Too bad that's the kind of stuff that helps cause us to pay more for items.
(yawn) Might check in before I hit the hay. If I don't, Prayers for all.
AmanaMedicPackers#1 Well, the cars would already be blocked by the yard, so there really is no need to do any sort of blocking in town. Thanks for the suggestion though. Chris, nice weathering job! Ahhhhhhhh, good thinking Young Grasshopper... Thanks for the kind words too. Chris
Packers#1 Well, the cars would already be blocked by the yard, so there really is no need to do any sort of blocking in town. Thanks for the suggestion though. Chris, nice weathering job!
Well, the cars would already be blocked by the yard, so there really is no need to do any sort of blocking in town. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Chris, nice weathering job!
Ahhhhhhhh, good thinking Young Grasshopper...
Thanks for the kind words too.
Chris
thanks. here's the system map I scratched out in MS Paint:
The F&S RR (Favre & Southern not Favre & Starr) will basically run one local a day. it will drop off all the cars to be worked in Favre, then continue on w/ a small cut of cars for Starr (an SCRail through freight has already dropped off a good bulk of the cars for Starr). The F&S switcher will then run back to Favre, work those cars, leave them there, go to Starr, work those cars, couple onto the ones destined back for the yard, then pick up the cars in Favre, then go back to the yard.
No prob man.
Sawyer Berry
Clemson University c/o 2018
Building a protolanced industrial park layout
The Cedar cRapids Industrial Branch: Proudly Shipping Yesterday's CrunchBerries Tomorrow!
JimRCGMOAmanaMedic Packers#1ok, so I've got a thread going for my current track planning bit, and here's the current version I like it. My half-a-cent's worth on an oppinion. I'd add another yard track or two between the freight house and the textile thing... but that's just me. I think it would make switching the industries a little easier. I'd ditto that Sawyer (in my case, though, I was trying to figure how to fit another industry or two in there where Chris was gonna put the track yards). Nice plan! And probably a lot less cluttered than my plan is... Sorry 'bout not looking and seeing that was an F-unit instead of an E.
AmanaMedic Packers#1ok, so I've got a thread going for my current track planning bit, and here's the current version I like it. My half-a-cent's worth on an oppinion. I'd add another yard track or two between the freight house and the textile thing... but that's just me. I think it would make switching the industries a little easier.
Packers#1ok, so I've got a thread going for my current track planning bit, and here's the current version
I like it. My half-a-cent's worth on an oppinion. I'd add another yard track or two between the freight house and the textile thing... but that's just me. I think it would make switching the industries a little easier.
I'd ditto that Sawyer (in my case, though, I was trying to figure how to fit another industry or two in there where Chris was gonna put the track yards). Nice plan! And probably a lot less cluttered than my plan is... Sorry 'bout not looking and seeing that was an F-unit instead of an E.
JimRCGMOChris - that looks more like it!
Thanks JIM!
One more, just for the heckuvit. A chop-nose Front Range GP-9 as CNW 4547. The 4424 is a Walthers Trainline GP15-1, by the way. Nothing fancy around here...
Hi again, Janie - back for another RBF, please. Thanks, Chris!
, Chris - that looks more like it! Man, I'm gonna have to save all these photos of everyone's weathering so I have some reference materials when I get ready to start weathering my locos and cars.
Barry, I sure hope your wife's gonna be working in the same scale, so at least you could run your trains through her part if you put a connecting (interchange?) track between them. And good to hear you won't be sleeping in the doghouse (since it's still a bit coolish up there, I'm thinking).
NS Joe - so, is a Red Flag Day called that because it's all running, or for all the 'non-football' stuff? It sounds like you could've used another day before going back, with all that running.
Eric - the warehouse I posted the photo of today, is done with the Walthers modulars. But my earlier 'background' warehouse/manufacturing company (2-story with a loading dock base under that - I put up a drawing of it in the old Diner) is being built with the DPM modules. The DPM modules are somewhat simpler to put together (but I'll be reinforcing the joints with some styrene stuff on the backside for strength), and after my having to tear down (so to speak) my Walthers because I had the columns off-centered (in several places...)... well, y'know, right? I have one other building (upper left in my trackplan diagram) where I'll be kitbashing two Lauble Linen Mills together to get a longer building (similar to the stock LLMills kit). Already have one kit assembled (it's on the layout now) and another kit (to be assembled). I wanted more loading doors on trackside than the stock building had.
Well, I'm heading out again for the night. Prayers will continue for all of us in need of them (and loved ones).
Blessings,
Jim in Cape Girardeau
Hey JIM,
If ya thought the CNW 6801 was "too clean," is this more whatcha were thinking of?
Of course, I just now realized, I still need to hit the front rails with white safety painting... DOH!
I got another sweet tooth. Pecan pie, and milk. MMMMMMMMMMMM
I didn't do much today, but I did workon my scrap yard when the wifes soaps were on.
I gotta try to catch up. I seem to be behind (as usual).
Everybody have a good night.
"Rust, whats not to love?"
Evening all. Flo, I'll take cheese fries and a RBF, thanks.
I come back and there's another new diner, geez!
I hate when you’re sick for three days, and then go back to lax practice. And find out that it’s RED FLAG DAY (yes, that’s a bad thing!). First, we cleaned all the garbage and leaves off the field. THEN, we ran for FOUR HOURS!!! Worst day of my life.
From what I’ve found from pictures of F40PH-2CATs (and seen on the real ones), all of them have the same arrangement, except for the 4113 (the arrangement of the steps is switched [this unit is also the one with the larger fuel tank]). I’m not sure exactly which unit I’m going to model because I believe that the model comes with the large fuel tank (like the 4113), but with the exception of the door, the rear is the same on the model and all of the other locos (of course, the hood will need to be lengthened). I’m pretty sure that I’m going to do the 4128 because the steps would be the same so I would just need to lengthen the body, get rid of the door on the back, and shorten the fuel tank (assuming that the large one is installed).
I think that I won’t need styrene any more because I can use the stuff from the first shell. I would chop up the grilles and a few sections of the body and it should work. I’m just waiting for the new loco to come and until I can find time (good luck with that).
Yes, I know that I still owe pictures of the stuff that I did, but I haven’t had time (to charge the camera OR to take the pictures themselves).
Have a good n safe one. Prayers for all in need. Night all.
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Then again, before you take my idea too seriously...review my recent history with track plans!
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JimRCGMOGarry and Sawyer, nice photos of those E-units.
Garry and Sawyer, nice photos of those E-units.
actually, mine are pictures of an F9. It's all good though; they're both hood units, and I didn't really have good shots of the trucks.
ok, so I've got a thread going for my current track planning bit, and here's the current version (not going to scenik in MS Paint until all bugs worked out):
thread: http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/t/149994.aspx
JimRCGMOChris, you may need a heapin' dose of 'artistic license' for your bayside yard, also. That's a lot of trackage, all right! And those CNW Geeps would help you remember the fun stuff, I'd think. Also, (except for that back one, which might be a bit too clean ), I think Robby would approve of those locos... And nice shot (and story) of the F-unit's view. You wanna do like one MRR'er did, and have the front of an F-unit (A) as the centerpiece of your layout room, when you build it?
Good evening Jim, and everybody else in here...
Yeah, "artistic license" would be a must for just about anything I come up with. The original theory was instead of a bay...the "water" would be Cedar Lake. I suspect whoever drew it up never actually BUILT it. I've got a few other 'round the room designs I've found that I'm gonna start looking at closely. The CNW 6801 is rather clean. It doesn't show in the pic, but the top is well-sooted, and has some rust. I'm claiming the Marshalltown shop scrubbed it down when it was in for it's FRA periodic inspection...
By contrast, the CNW 6934 has faded Zito yellow, and the green is faded too. It also has a LOT of road grime and places where the Zito was chipped/rubbed off, revealing the TRUE CNW yellow. I've got to do a little re-work on it though. In pics, the "road grime" looks more like RUST than mud/dirt/munge.
I remember the article you're talking about. Seems like the guy was a cancer doc. I doubt I'll ever pull down the kinda bucks he makes. While I like the F's...I'd really like to have the cab and nose (complete of course with the gong) of a CNW SD40-2. That's my favorite locomotive.
Busy day here, had to go into CR with a fellow firefighter to get stuff for next month's pancake breakfast. Then, brother-in-law showed up with 3 of his 4 kids. Then had to do some maint. work on my pickup. Finally got to eat "breakfast" a little before 5 this evening!!!!!!
I think we need a buffet here in the Diner. Tonight though, I'd probably wipe it out!!!
Have a good-un!
JimRCGMO Barry, I'd like to find some yardsales in my area like those ones - great score on those! And echoing Johnboy's question - does your wife know about your thirteen (count 'em, 13) additions to your motive roster? (Just wonderin'...)
Barry, I'd like to find some yardsales in my area like those ones - great score on those! And echoing Johnboy's question - does your wife know about your thirteen (count 'em, 13) additions to your motive roster? (Just wonderin'...)
Yes she did know--I suspect a couple of them might go for her steel mill diorama---turning layout--kinda sorta--
Jim - Looks like we're both using Walthers modular kits! My building is actually 3" wider than it is deep. The front and rear have a half wall section inserted. .
Eric
Cox 47Jeff...I can't wait for a photo of "Pack a Pig"....I'd like to see a photo of the real thing...Is Bar-B-Q good?
saronaterryJeff, watch your mailbox for a big box.
LSWrrJeff, the furniture-automobile car is a round top double-door offset 50’ box car. Lettered for the Southern Pacific. It has a wood bottom and the old pin style Kaydee couplers.
JimRCGMOJeff, wanted to mention that you may need a few more of those oil tankers to keep up with refilling your Shell station's tanks. Yeah!! I'm looking forward to seeing what your Pak-A-Pig-BBQ turns out like. Smile
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Afternoon, Janie - I'll have a RBF and cheesey fries, please, 'n' ThankYou!
Well, my memory's must not be functioning too well today. I think I stopped by last night, was in process of posting some comments, answers and questions (and a pic of my current layout for a question), but then either I was getting the OOPS, or else my WiFi connection was screwy, I had some bad food (oh, no, Janie - I'm sure not in the Diner!) or maybe all of the above. I come in today and can't find my post I thought I'd written lask night. So if I'm repeating myself, please excuse me - I preparing for being an official ORF, I suppose (except I need to get those naps in that I keep hearing about...)
to the Diner, Steve! Sent you an email about your Cape area LHS question (hopefully, if I didn't dream that one up, too...). Have a glass or mug of your favorite beverage on me (since we both live in Mizzery...)
Rob, I'd say those industries you mentioned for your layout sounded good (so long as they weren't the only ones - you want somewhere to ship those lava bars and such, right? You might be able to justify shipping some tankers of tar, if you have some tar pools near the volcano, I would guess. If someone else hasn't already mentioned it, find yourself some discarded plastic signs ('For sale' or whatever - ah, I see that SaronaTerry beat me to it on that), and if they're thin enough, cut them into the right width for your roads and glue them down with that other stuff Eric mentioned. You can paint it whatever you need for asphalt, concrete, or such.
And SaronaTerry - love your lumberyard - that looks like a busy and thriving yard (and love your mill, too)! You can post more of your pictures anytime you want to!
I was intending to start this weekend (but haven't yet) on burying my Kadee delayed uncouplers, but was wondering about the best spots that would be good for them. Here's the layout sections so far, and I'm thinking that the 'rightmost passing track' (connecting to the back industrial tracks) should have one for dropping cars at the junkyard dealer/transfer facility (may have changeable industries on that track) that goes off to the right about midway back from the front. But I wasn't sure what location to put the other uncoupler (for switching the back industrial tracks). I'm hoping later on to extend the lead for those - off to the right into another section, if that makes a difference in the meantime. Any ideas?
I have been w**king some on my Walthers transfer warehouse (which will be a bit too big for my transfer/junkyard location - will have to put it somewhere else on my layout when I get to expand). I had it pretty far along, but when I went to put the caps on the walls, I found out that there was way too much variation in the 'centering' on the columns that connect the wall sections together (so I had to remove all of the wall columns, without hopefully taking the sections apart from each other). Oh, whoever it was that mentioned the color of the Walthers brick, I agree - while I've seen some yellowish brick, I think that's a newer development in most parts of the country (including on my freelance layout!). So I'll be painting mine 'brick red' also. Here's the foundation (top), the wall caps (circled in red), and the two halves of the walls (with the columns mostly stripped off).
Sam, your field day sounded like a fun one.
Jeff, wanted to mention that you may need a few more of those oil tankers to keep up with refilling your Shell station's tanks. I'm looking forward to seeing what your Pak-A-Pig-BBQ turns out like.
RRNut, good to see you in - we've been suggesting some MRR-related things to do when you don't have much/any available layout space (so you don't forget all about MRR'ing - as if we could do that!)
Chris, you may need a heapin' dose of 'artistic license' for your bayside yard, also. That's a lot of trackage, all right! And those CNW Geeps would help you remember the fun stuff, I'd think. Also, (except for that back one, which might be a bit too clean ), I think Robby would approve of those locos... And nice shot (and story) of the F-unit's view. You wanna do like one MRR'er did, and have the front of an F-unit (A) as the centerpiece of your layout room, when you build it?
Ray, sounds like your schedule needs a few more things on it, eh? Was Big Al a Dixieland player, by any chance? I'm sure he was smiling to hear you all play. Your report on getting the layout ready for your train demo matches up with what I've heard from my fellow MRR'ers. I'll let you know once I get wiring on mine done and try to show it for someone.... I'm surprised your neighbor doesn't use one of those mechanical push mowers - we had one neighbor a while back whose front yard looked great (and he used the old-fashioned push/non-powered mower).
Bill T. - NEAT OL' SHOT of that Wig-Wag signal! (Where'd you find that signal, by the way?)
Lee - Sounds like the Railfest was definitely worth your while. You didn't happen to get a second one of those team track kits (HO scale), did you? I've about decided I'll have to make my own from a pic of the old box cover shot that I snagged a while back. Too bad the WGH show didn't match up to Railfest, though.
Galaxy, hang in there, if the geese are heading north, can spring be far behind? Here, we had sunshine and temps in the 50's (I know, that's short sleeve weather for you, and sunbathing weather for Barry and Johnboy's latitudes). Supposed to hit upper 60's (F) tomorrow, too (and 70's by St. Patrick's Day). Must be about spring, with Diners posting about cleaning up their yards, eh?
Eric, good progress on your building - is it almost square? From the photos, it looks like the two are about the same length across.
Wonder how Inch and Deb are doing? They were combining celebrating their anniversary (and getting away from the young'uns for the weekend) with going to the Boeing MRR club's show in St. Louis. Guess we'll hear back from him tomorrow.
Well, I'm about caught up; now, if I can get this thing to post okay....(We'll see - saving the text now to my drive)
Prayers for healing, comfort, and a good night's rest for all you Diners and yours. I'm gonna head for home and maybe do some more on that warehouse to get it ready for painting.
Evening All!! A Stromboli and a Pepsi please! Thanks Flo.
Made some headway on the plant walls. Gonna by big, 19x16 just for the car section alone. The factory is getting it's own 3'x3' module.
Top picture is the rail car front and the back. Second is one of the sides which actually isn't visible on the module. I know I could have just made it plain but when it come to buildings I like the whole thing unless it's a backdrop building.
Just had garbage detail to attend to--right in the middle of attempting an attempt at posting this--I posted and it went into the ether---
Had a busy day in the back yard. We spent it clearing brush of all things. After all the knock downs and cutting up and snow melt turning everything into giant mud puddles, it is dry enough for moi to go out there and try to make the yard look a little more tame---or so I think---
PC--you just gave this puppy some more ideas too---
Galaxy-We have in our back yard-Snow Drops and 3 Crocuses out, a couple of cardinals and a bunch of just arrived Red-winged Blackbirds singing much. It's good to see and hear them first thing in the morning--
Let me try that again.
Terry in NW Wisconsin
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So Rob's plannin' on some roads, huh? Well Rob, check this web site out. I found it a few years ago and thought it was brilliant. I'd just add a row of toothpicks glued end to end down the center of the road before you lay the foam so the road will have a natural crown to it.
Afternoon,
The problem with the WGH show wasn’t the prices….
The advertisement stated 200 booths and 100,000 Square Feet of train show.
The only way you can say there was 200 booths is if you count the parking fee booth, the ticket booth, the coat check booth, the police booth, the coffee booth, the nacho cheese booth……
The only way there was 100,000 sq feet is if you counted the entrance area and food court.The WGH show was shoulder to shoulder people. You couldn’t hear the presenters over the people talking and the kids screaming. The people were so packed in that you couldn’t look down the tables of the vendors. Kids were pulling the manufacturer’s trains apart or shooting them off the rails and onto the concrete floors because the parents weren’t watching their kids. It wasn’t just Father and Son’s going to see the train shows, it was Father, mother, son, daughter, grandma, grandpa, the kids next door going to see the train show. Most of the vendors thought a TYCO brown box caboose was worth $45 because its “VINTAGE”. I know why there wasn’t a gun show until next week, lets just say the guy selling the wood train whistles to the kids probably made enough money to retire and buy an island in the Caribbean. If you do go to the WGH show I highly recommend ear plugs and bring your wallet; 12oz bottled water was $4 and a 6oz cup of coffee was $2.50, we won’t even talk about a bag of chips or any other food. Most vendors had a sign that read “you break it you bought it” I had to laugh at the astonished parents whose kid just used an 80’ Walther’s autotrain car to beat the table corner or the one that was picking up box cars and just carelessly tossing them to the floor for entertainment.. However the best was the kid that grabbed a $400 brand new Lionel steam engine by the front hand rails and made a wish.Jeff, the furniture-automobile car is a round top double-door offset 50’ box car. Lettered for the Southern Pacific. It has a wood bottom and the old pin style Kaydee couplers.
BM1 Lee Soule USCG (ret) L.S.&W Railroad Serving the Lower Great Lakes
Afternoon Gang: Not much going on today. I put out hay and range cubes for the cattle and came back in. I did do a little bit on the journal boxes for the new narrow gauge trucks while the tractor was warming up. I'm thinking today I might try and get down to the basement and unearth the layout some.
Mary Ann is feeling better today. She slept most of yesterday after coming back from dialysis. The dyalysis does make you tired. I napped a bit also but did manage to get out to the shop for a bit. As for me I think that if anything I'm feeling a little worse. Not mush though. I'm still doing better then Mary Ann.
Well I'd better get going.
See you all tonight.
Well, beginning the planning of my switching layout today (I've decided that if I can get the around-the-room run, I'll be happy w/ either a switching layout bit or a small yard. planning the switching layout now, yard next).
Rob, diluted flat black house paint I had laying around.I had to experiment to get the color. It's more of a wash than paint. Before painting I used a wet sponge (going with the traffic lanes) to smooth out the surface and didn't worry about cracks, real roads have cracks.Here is a little longer section:
Coffee in a Large SANTA FE mug, please & thanks.
**Eric, thanks for the tips. Roads back in AZ usually faded to that gray as I recall.
***Terry, what did you use to color your roads? They look excellent!
***Lee, nice catch. (CK&S...funny nickname for it) $18 at the door seems steep and might prohibit some folks from discovering the hobby, let alone buying stuff. My worth.
The rain stopped. Tank overflowed. Hopefully no flooding under the porch. Time to go do critter rounds. Rob
Good Morning All...Its sunny and 49 here...I'll have a big slice of Gary's Kentucky Ham on a biscuit,fried taters and coffee please...Thank You..Didn't get any railroading done yesterday maybe today..
Jeff...I can't wait for a photo of "Pack a Pig"....I'd like to see a photo of the real thing...Is Bar-B-Q good?
Lee..Sounds like a good haul at train show..I think Inch was going to try to make big show down by St. Louis this week end..Some body posted some photos of it out on main forum..
Has anyone heard from Ed? Wonder how the Oranges are coming?
You all have a good one...Jerry
ewl01Jeff, Glad you are able to put those buildings to good use.