What am I?

[Anonymous]

I am a passenger service steamer rebuilt from Mikados from 1943 to 1947.
I am a semi streamlined coalburner with disc drivers.
There were only 7 of us.
All of us were scrapped by 1956.
I am NOT painted black.

Extra points for road numbers, class, and the shop in which these were rebuilt.

[AggroJones]

Wabash P-1 4-6-4 from K-5 2-8-2s, numbers 700-706

[Anonymous]

Could it be one of those Golden CB&Q 4-8-4s?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

Wabash P-1 4-6-4 from K-5 2-8-2s, numbers 700-706

Yes.

[AggroJones]

Some of us were painted black. Others, not.
Look similar to the first version of a larger locomotive on my railroad.
The first few classes were built by ALCO, and 3 years later Baldwin made some.
Not many of the locomotives in our wheel arrangement have running gear like us.
I'm a dual service, western steamer.

[M636C]

How about this?

A single big passenger locomotive on a big Eastern road. It looked very similar to other locomotives but had one different feature. By coincidence, a locomotive built for the same traffic on that road's main competitor with the same number had the same feature, but became different from others in its class by having the common feature removed!

Answer: the road name of the first road and the loco number.

Extra points for the second road name and the equipment changed!

Peter

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

Some of us were painted black. Others, not.
Look similar to the first version of a larger locomotive on my railroad.
The first few classes were built by ALCO, and 3 years later Baldwin made some.
Not many of the locomotives in our wheel arrangement have running gear like us.
I'm a dual service, western steamer.

D&RGW M-67 and M-78 4-8-2 Mountains?

[AggroJones]

QUOTE: Originally posted by cjm89

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

Some of us were painted black. Others, not.
Look similar to the first version of a larger locomotive on my railroad.
The first few classes were built by ALCO, and 3 years later Baldwin made some.
Not many of the locomotives in our wheel arrangement have running gear like us.
I'm a dual service, western steamer.

D&RGW M-67 and M-78 4-8-2 Mountains?

Yup. Some were green and silver.

[Anonymous]

Ha! I got it first try, Aggro!

I am the only steamer of my wheel arrangement built by ALCO.
I have the largest firebox of any steamer ever built.
I burn low grade coal (lignite)
I had a very interesting ceremony at Alco after I was built.

[AggroJones]

QUOTE: Originally posted by cjm89

Ha! I got it first try, Aggro!

I am the only steamer of my wheel arrangement built by ALCO.
I have the largest firebox of any steamer ever built.
I burn low grade coal (lignite)
I had a very interesting ceremony at Alco after I was built.

UP 4-8-8-4?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

QUOTE: Originally posted by cjm89

Ha! I got it first try, Aggro!

I am the only steamer of my wheel arrangement built by ALCO.
I have the largest firebox of any steamer ever built.
I burn low grade coal (lignite)
I had a very interesting ceremony at Alco after I was built.

UP 4-8-8-4?

Nope.

[AggroJones]

NP Z-5 2-8-8-4?

[M636C]

Delaware&Hudson Class E-7 4-8-0 No 1403 "L.F.Loree"

Peter

[AggroJones]

That 4-8-0 was a big passenger locomotive? For what time period?

I never would have guessed correctly.

[M636C]

Sorry about that! No not at all!

The 4-8-0 was my answer to cjm89's question about an Alco with a huge firebox. It had a water tube firebox, like a ship's boiler.

My question is still there!

And I'll repeat it below!

A single big passenger locomotive on a big Eastern road. It looked very similar to other locomotives but had one different feature. By coincidence, a locomotive built for the same traffic on that road's main competitor with the same number had the same feature, but became different from others in its class by having the common feature removed!

Answer: the road name of the first road and the loco number.

Extra points for the second road name and the equipment changed!

An extra couple of clues: New York to Chicago passenger trains, about 1945/46.

Peter

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

NP Z-5 2-8-8-4?

Yep. It's firebox was large enough to fit 10 people inside of it- comfortably!

[AggroJones]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

How about this?

A single big passenger locomotive on a big Eastern road. It looked very similar to other locomotives but had one different feature. By coincidence, a locomotive built for the same traffic on that road's main competitor with the same number had the same feature, but became different from others in its class by having the common feature removed!

Answer: the road name of the first road and the loco number.

Extra points for the second road name and the equipment changed!

Peter

NYC 5344, the streamlined shrouding just like PRR's shrouded 4-6-2?

[M636C]

Not yet there!

You have the right two roads, but the period is too early.

Both types of locomotives had eight driving wheels, and one engine on each road shared both a technical feature, and a road number!

Peter

[AggroJones]

Blood, that could be any combo of Niagras & Mohawks and Mountains & T-1s.

[M636C]

OK,

The real answer was 5500

That might sound like an excerpt from "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" (the answer to the ultimate question being 42).

The PRR didn't use the M-1s that much on passenger traffic. The Mohawks (and the M1s) were built pre WWII (or during the war for the last Mohawks).

The two pre war PRR T-1s were numbered 6110-6111

The post war "production" engines were numbered from 5500 to 5549

The "standard" NYC Niagaras were classes S1a and S1b, numbered in the 6000s

There was one Niagara, class S2a number 5500 which had Franklin poppet valve gear "Type A", so it had no Walschearts valve gear, a quite noticeable feature. The valve casings on the cylinder looked different too.

All 52 PRR T-1s had Franklin Type A valve gear when built, but the first post war engine, 5500, was rebuilt with Franklin "Type B" gear, which was much the same as far as the valves themselves, but used rotating cams rather than rocking cams used in the type A gear. Engines fitted with Type B gear (Like ATSF 3752, sister of the preserved 3751) had big rotary drive shafts driven from the driving axle. T-1 5500 had four such drive shafts and was easily recognised.

So the feature originally fitted to both, but removed from one was Franklin Type A valve gear

All this was discussed recently on one of the forums here.

I thought that you would pick up on the numbers being the same fairly easily, because having given a post WWII date, I'd ruled out the Mowhawks and M-1s.

Don't you guys remember locomotive numbers? I can't help doing so!

Peter

[AggroJones]

I'm the real most powerful steam locomotive.
I lived in the east.
I'm massive.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

I'm the real most powerful steam locomotive.
I lived in the east.
I'm massive.

C&0 Allegheny [?]

[AggroJones]

"C&O Allegheny"

Nope. [:0]

[M636C]

Norfolk & Western Y6b

(assuming you are looking at tractive effort!)

Peter

[Anonymous]

N&W Y6A or an N&W A class 2-6-6-4?

[AggroJones]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Norfolk & Western Y6b

Nope. Horsepower.

(An N&W Y6b had more tractive effort than the C&O H-8?)

[AggroJones]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

N&W Y6A or an N&W A class 2-6-6-4?

Nope and nope.

[M636C]

C&O Steam Turbine 4-8-4-8-4

(Really 2-Do-2+Do-2, since it used traction motors)

or. while we are at it N&W's "Jawn Henry" Which was a Co-Co+Co-Co, if I remember correctly.

Peter

I can't remember which of those was more powerful!

[Anonymous]

I am a 6 axle diesel.

Iam a 4300 horsepower loco.

cefx has them.

I was built in the late '80's.

[Anonymous]

Where do you get the railroad symbols?