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Posted by mlehman on Monday, November 3, 2008 5:57 PM

 David,

I have to agree with Jeff and the others who were teenagers at the time of that letter -- and who are still model railroaders now.  Being 16 y.o. at the time, like them I think it's a good thing we weren't offended by MR, just by the author of the letter. Talking about it now is a good reminder to try to avoid being an obnoxious old geezer, even as we chronologically sink in geezerhood. Big Smile

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Posted by richg1998 on Monday, November 3, 2008 4:50 PM

Usually those are geezers. Ignore them and enjoy the hobby. Oh, remember that when you enter geezerhood and have a lot of modeling experience. 

Rich 

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Monday, November 3, 2008 3:58 PM

It's an adult hobby?  When did they pass that rule.  I must have missed it.

I'll be right back.  I have to go tell my grandchildren they have to stay out of the train room from now on.

I suppose I can bring Thomas The Tank Engine & Hogwart's Express out to visit them once in a while while I play  hobby around with the real model trains.

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Posted by Midnight Railroader on Monday, November 3, 2008 3:48 PM

selector

They actually printed that letter!  Was there a response from the editor or from readers in subsequent editions?

-Crandell

No response from the editors, and I haven't checked other back issues for readers' replies, if any.
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Posted by Packers#1 on Monday, November 3, 2008 3:43 PM

TrainManTy

 That comment about Student Fare and younger modelers in the hobby really ticks me off... How does he think the hobby will survive without younger modelers? Is he planning on living forever??Banged Head

Of course, I'm not one to be an outsider to that comment, he's basically insulting me and many of my friends...

I'll get off my soapbox now...

And I'll step up and take your place. This guy is a completly and total numbskull. We teenage modlers can build stuff just as good as you older folks. Just look at tyler's layout, or mine, or GG's, or a host of others. And yeah, this hobby will die w/o us young guns. This guy really ticks me off!!! Angry

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Posted by BlueHillsCPR on Monday, November 3, 2008 3:26 PM

"No room in the hobby for kids?"

Who let that guy of his meds?

I'm with Crandell.  I am surprised they printed a letter like that.

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Posted by citylimits on Monday, November 3, 2008 3:23 PM

Geared Steam

It just shows that grumpy Angryold farts never change. 

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Posted by Geared Steam on Monday, November 3, 2008 3:12 PM

It just shows that grumpy old farts never change. 

"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."-Albert Einstein

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, November 3, 2008 3:06 PM

 What'd ya expect? A 1500 word essay?Laugh

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, November 3, 2008 2:25 PM

Ya I kinda remember that I was a reader / subscriber back then. In June 1973 I would have been...let's see, carry the one...14. To be fair, the first few years of Student Fare weren't that great. A pic of a flat-top layout with RTR equipment, and a bunch of letters pretty much all like this:

Hi!! My name is Bobby. I'm 12. I love trains!! If you like trains, write to me!! Bye, Bobby

Hi!! My name is Sam. I'm 9 and live in El Waco, California. I love trains!!

Smile,Wink, & Grin

 

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Posted by shayfan84325 on Monday, November 3, 2008 2:08 PM

I'd forgotten about that letter.  I was a subscriber at the time (and a student), and I recall feeling that it was out of character for such a letter to appear in MR.  I also recall that I agreed with the author to some extent:  It did seem that the magazine included articles that really just paraphrased the instructions from a kit, and Student Fare always bugged me:  Even as a student (I was a junior in high school) I wanted to know that if I submitted photos of my work that it would be selected or not selected based on the same criteria as any other modeler - I didn't want any special consideration because of my age or circumstances, but that was just me.  Student Fare continued, so the overall response to it must have been favorable.

That said, I continued to subscribe to MR because it also included articles that challenged me to learn to do new things; the photography was great; columns like Bull Session were both fun and educational, and At The Throttle (Linn Westcott's editorial) was worth the cost of the subscription all by itself.  Then, as now, the axiom "Different strokes for different folks" applied well to our hobby (I think that was one of Linn's topics).

Phil,
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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, November 3, 2008 1:39 PM

 I was 12 when that letter was printed and it ticks me off even now at 48! I may have been just a kid then but I had already built a couple of good looking layouts. Where the heck does he get off thinking that there's no room in the hobby for kids? Model Railroading an adults only hobby? Maybe it is somewhere in the deep recesses of the cobwebs at the back of his mind!

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Posted by selector on Monday, November 3, 2008 1:23 PM

They actually printed that letter!  Was there a response from the editor or from readers in subsequent editions?

-Crandell

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 3, 2008 1:20 PM

 That comment about Student Fare and younger modelers in the hobby really ticks me off... How does he think the hobby will survive without younger modelers? Is he planning on living forever??Banged Head

Of course, I'm not one to be an outsider to that comment, he's basically insulting me and many of my friends...

I'll get off my soapbox now...

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Posted by Midnight Railroader on Monday, November 3, 2008 1:07 PM

Did y'all see this letter to the editor of MR?

"When I do buy MR, what do I find? What I find is a magazine seemingly devoted to shake-together kits and ready-to-run models....I think MR could be a great modelbuilder's magazine instead of the mediocre one it is."

 What, you missed it? It's right there on page 13...of the June 1973 edition.

Some things never change...although the writer eventually got his wish on this count:

 "And while I'm on the subject of valuable space, your column Student Fare is a fiasco. Kids have no place in an adult hobby, and just because a teeny-bopper lays a circle of N gauge track on top of a table and runs some ready-to-run equipment over it is no reason to print a picture of his silly railroad when the space could be used for something worthwhile--something that would interest a serious model railroader."

Clearly, the writer was no fan of dabblers.

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