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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:18 AM

Yes, we all must remember Pearl harbor. I just relized that it was the day today 9of course, i don't really pay attention to the date on the weekends). That was a dark day for America, but Jimmy Doolittle and his raiders got 'em back for it. May the 6 airmen who died on that raid be remembered forever.2 died while bailing out, 3 were "executed"(read murdered) by the Japanese, and one died in prison. one of the boys who was "executed" was from Darlington, SC. My nieghbor was at Pearl Harbor when the Japenese attacked it.

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Posted by Cox 47 on Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:41 AM

Good Morning all...Its sunny and a frosty 15 here on Pearl street...I'll have Biscuits and Gravey,Fried apples and just sit the coffee pot down Please...Thank you...Sallie and I just finnished watching Sunday Morning on CBS They didn't do any thing on Pearl Harbor....Pearl Harbor is something that We as a Nation can not afford to forget...

I got a skin coat of plaster on one of the two "hills" I'm working on...Still havn't decided about paint job on GP 30...Biding on a couple of 50 foot flats with 2 24 foot trailers If I get them that would give me $ Piggy Back cars for my pig train which is about all my little railroad can handle..I plan to run it as a run thru from IC as my road wouldn't be large enough to have a pig train of its own..

Der John...I would guess your Track problems are from salt air I didn't know you were that close to the Ocean..I wonder if a light coat of Clipper oil might help?

Paul and Mary Ann....You both are in my thoughts and prayers...

Jeff...Nice decal work...

You all have a Great Sunday....Jerry

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Posted by Robby P. on Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:55 AM

I will take some hot cococa for now.   Its a COOOOOOOOOOOOLD  day!!!!!

Temp as of right now (10:50am) is 22 and wind chill 9.  Man O' Man thats cold.

Didn't do very much on the layout this weekend.  I will do some more to it Tuesday.  I did add some pictures to the WPF.  I am trying to finish up the upper part of the layout.  I am going to focus more on the lower part.

Not much planned today.  I know I will watch The Real Americas Team....... The Steelers!!!   Temps for the game are, 21 deg, and windchill 7.  Poor Dallas.  The paper said they practiced in 50 deg temp.  How is that even close? 

Well everybody stay warm, and have a good day.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:07 AM

Was there ever a book on 'Doolittle's Raiders'? It would be nice if there was one...

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:17 AM

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Was there ever a book on 'Doolittle's Raiders'? It would be nice if there was one...

The book 'The Doolittle Raid' is available at Amazon.com.

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Posted by twhite on Sunday, December 7, 2008 11:53 AM

blownout cylinder

Was there ever a book on 'Doolittle's Raiders'? It would be nice if there was one...

As Jeff said, "The Doolittle Raid" is available on Amazon.com.  There's also a film called "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo" that is a pretty interesting movie about the preparations for the raid.  It came out in the early 'forties and starred Spencer Tracy.  Worth catching at least once, IMO. 

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Posted by Cederstrand on Sunday, December 7, 2008 11:56 AM

in a Pearl Harbor commemorative mug, please & thanks. 

***Jeffrey, with or without your corrective glasses, you did a dang nice job on the detailing.Thumbs Up 

***Lee, that's a funny thing to happen in a grocery store. At least the guy was on "our side".Smile,Wink, & Grin

Couldn't figure out which version of the phone wiring to use, so have not finished the jacks yet. Going to stack all the leftover tiles and use it for a small room downstairs (between the train room and a bathroom). Waste not, want not. Still debating what to do with the train room floor that won't cost much?

Having gravel brought in for our muddy driveway tomorrow. Then a months worth of hay delivery. Going to call the contractor tonight and press him to finish this up. It's been about a week sinse he was last here.

Healing thoughts to those in need.

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Posted by gear-jammer on Sunday, December 7, 2008 12:24 PM

 It is still morning,  so I will have coffee with my hashbrowns and eggs, please.

JimRCGMO

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Jim,  I hadn't thought of a rafter, there might not be enough water flow for that.  Now you have me thinking.

  Oops Did I do that, Sue? (and no, that's not my Brittany impersonation...)

 

What?  Make me think?LaughLaughLaugh

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, December 7, 2008 12:28 PM

blownout cylinder

Was there ever a book on 'Doolittle's Raiders'? It would be nice if there was one...

There's several I know of. I did a project on them last year and had to find some. There's:

Thrity Seconds Over Tokyo by Leutinant Ted w. Lawson, pilot of plane #6 (I think), in which he describes everything from training, to the take offs, to bombing, to escape, to evading the JKapanese. His plane crash-landed at sea while trying to be landed on the beach (engines suddenly quit). Lawson was catapulted through the windshield, eventually had to have his leg amputated (he cut it clean to the bone), his biceps had been falling out of his arm, all sorts of nasty stuff.

The Doolittle Raid by C.V. Glines, which describes the whole thing.

Lt. Bill Farrow: Doolittle Raider written by a historian from a South Carolina University, which describes Bill's life early on, his enlistment in the military, his getting involved with the doolittle raid, and him being imprisoned and eventually "executed" (murdered).

There's probably plenty others.  I am a HUGE nut about this raid.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, December 7, 2008 12:39 PM

Packers#1

blownout cylinder

Was there ever a book on 'Doolittle's Raiders'? It would be nice if there was one...

There's several I know of. I did a project on them last year and had to find some. There's:

Thrity Seconds Over Tokyo 

The Doolittle Raid

Lt. Bill Farrow: Doolittle Raider

Look here for more info.

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Posted by Paul W. Beverung on Sunday, December 7, 2008 2:22 PM
Hi Guys and Gal. Daughter Lara left her laptop here at the hospital for me to use. I finally figure out how to work it since it's an Apple It's just a tad different. I'm getting it though. Thanks for all the prayers. Mary Ann is in pretty good shape compared to some of the other folks here. The doctor is getting her set up at the clinic in Weatherford so she may be going home soon. They will do a full dialisis treatment tomorrow. BC Those suggestions for the Doolittle raid are right on. If you have never seen the movie 30 Seconds Over Tokyo get it. It's a first person account and note too Hollywood upped. They actually used B-25c's for the film. As far as I know there is only one of the C models in exestance. It was was hauled up from the bottom of a lake where it had crashed during the war. Well I will say So Long untill later.
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Posted by gear-jammer on Sunday, December 7, 2008 3:04 PM

Good afternoon, All.  I will have a RBF (root beer float), please, Chloe.

Paul,  Sounds like MaryAnn is doing better.  I am sure that she is anxious  to get home.  Congrats on becoming computer literate.

I finished putting the ground goop in the riverbed.  Larry and I usually place the rocks together.  Two sets of eyes are sure helpful.  When it drys I will get some photos.  The next step will be the water.  Larry spray painted some german status that I plan to use for my brush on the river bank.

Lunchtime,  Sue

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Posted by bjdukert on Sunday, December 7, 2008 3:31 PM
Paul   Really sorry to hear about Mary Ann and I know it isn’t easy(been there) and I hope everything works out. AngelAngelAngel

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Posted by pcarrell on Sunday, December 7, 2008 5:00 PM

Well, the end to another busy day.  I woke up to do an in depth refreher study on Revelation chapter 13 (the 666 chapter), then I went to teach on it.  Once class was over I came home to spend the day working on the deck in the back yard.  After a hot bath to soak the tired muscles and drink a cup of Hazelnut Cream Coffee I'm finally getting to sit down and catch up with you all.  I can't wait to go back to work tomorrow and get a break from this Hunny Do list! Big Smile

Prayers for all those in need......like Mary Ann!

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Sunday, December 7, 2008 5:05 PM

Hello ......

I've not seen some of the regulars lately such as Dick, Inch, and Ed........ I hope they are OK.

We'll continue thoughts and prayers for Paul and Mary Ann.

 

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Posted by howmus on Sunday, December 7, 2008 5:08 PM

 Evening everyone!

Flo I'll have a tuna sub with American cheese, Onions, Letuce, some Hot Peppers, and extra mayo.  No!  No tomatoes.  Nice hot cup of decafe in a R&GV Museum Mug.

Just got back home from the RIT show this afternoon.  After church today they hung the Greens.  Don't know what they did to deserve it though...???Whistling   Told that to one of the Boy Scout Leaders and he said "Huh, what do you mean???"  Then broke out in a big laugh....  Told it to another retired old Music Teacher and before I could add the punch line, he said, "Oh what did they do?!"

Lee he told me that it has something to do with the alkaline soil out in the South West opposed to the Acid soils in the East.  The wheels out West should be more of an orange colored rust and dark brown rust in the East.

 December 7, 1941, a "Day That Will Live in Infamy!"  The NYC had planned on introducing the latest incarnation of the Empire Express on that day with massive newes coverage and brewha, but all the news was about Pearl Harbor.  Can't argue with that!  The only reason I know that little tid bit of History (the NYC thing) is that the Rochester and Genesee Valley RR Museum owns those 9 cars.  They are currently being rebuilt and will be once again soon be used for excursion service.  Riding in one of them does make you think about that day in 1941...........Sad

Paul, hope Mary Ann will do well with the dialysis.  You are both in my prayers! 

Oh, I almost forgot.  I got my lights up.......

 

Oooooo!  Top of the page.  All late night snacks are on me folks.  Party Hearty! 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, December 7, 2008 5:34 PM

howmus

Oh, I almost forgot.  I got my lights up.......

Now that's hilarious!

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Sunday, December 7, 2008 5:35 PM

TNX for the tips guys! Now I can do some reading up on them...Thumbs UpBow

I'll have a Kona dk roast with a cinnamon stick with it please.

The house had a few people in it this aft. Only 40. My wife was having a delayed birthday as most of the relatives couldn't make it until now. Therefore we were sort of swamped...WhistlingSmile,Wink, & Grin

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Posted by f-unit on Sunday, December 7, 2008 5:44 PM

What is this, food, war,god,sick people,etc,etc,what does it have to do with train?

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:10 PM

f-unit

What is this, food, war,god,sick people,etc,etc,what does it have to do with train?

Absolutly nothing, lol.

Welcome to the diner, where you can talk about anything, including, but not limited to, trains, war, God, sick people, food, drink, your day, etc., lol. Pretty much think of it as an actual diner or other hang-out spot.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:13 PM

Hello F-unit... It's about the modelers and their families as well as their models. Thanks for asking. Glad you are here. Feel free to share your "whatevers"......... Have fun!

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Posted by Cox 47 on Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:28 PM

Welcome f-unit....Ray now that is funny!!.....Jerry

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:39 PM

Welcome to the diner f-unit! Ray; Well you got the lights up!Laugh

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Posted by fec153 on Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:43 PM

Ditto on hilarious. Hey, better than no lights at all.                     lol

Wish you all a WARM Holiday- CHRISTMAS and New Year.  May Peace , Health and Funds be with you.

Best wishes and Prayers for all.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:43 PM

 It shouldn't be hard to model that.

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Posted by Cederstrand on Sunday, December 7, 2008 8:11 PM

Tall glass of cool lemon water, please & thanks. 

***Ray, how much time did it take you to create such an elaborate light show, or did you have a crew of helpers with that? Excellent! Laugh

Waiting on the season finale of Storm Chasers to come on. have a good evening all.

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Posted by howmus on Sunday, December 7, 2008 8:29 PM

Cederstrand
***Ray, how much time did it take you to create such an elaborate light show, or did you have a crew of helpers with that? Excellent! Laugh

 

I was in a bit of a hurry.................Whistling   Actually my Daughter in Law sent it to me in an e-mail and I saw it as something I would do (just to embarrass the neighbors....).  I fact I might just do that.  I have a few old strings of lights that haven't been used in years........  Hmmmmmmm,   Yeah!!

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Posted by JimRCGMO on Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:16 PM

Evening, Janie, I'll have a cup of cocoa, but with whipped cream on it tonight, please, in a Pearl Harbor mug, if you have another one. Thanks!

twhite
Jim:  A C&O 2-8-8-2?

 

Sorry to mislead you Tom, but I was using the Whyte name designation for the 2-8-8-2, not the RR line. I'm pretty sure it wasn't C&O, but don't recall the RR line it was lettered in. 

twhite
...IF it's an H-7 (I think).  They sorta/kinda looked like a Rio Grande L-131, with the overhung feedwater heater and all the guts hanging out on the front and sides.  Of course they had smaller drivers (57" as opposed to 63") and lower tractive effort, but they were sure sweet looking articulateds.  But if it's the one I think it is, it's probably not a BLI.  Maybe one of those Custom Brass models that the owner popped a sound decoder into the tender.  But then again, it might be a stock 2-8-8-2 with C&O markings on the tender. 

Confused Okay, Tom you're WAY over my head about the models of 2-8-8-2, better give those things to me in monosyllables, I'm a Dunce on much beyond counting the axles to figure the number designation; for the name, I have a file with the Whyte names I have to open up and look at...Oops  Sounds like those two cats are having totally too much fun, and you are probably wise to go check up on them in the den (or anywhere else close to an articulated). You may also want to invest in the cat food company, at the rate Remington's growing.

Paul, sorry to hear about MaryAnn's health problems. Will keep you both (and Daisy) in my prayers. Take good care of her, and make sure she does what the doctors tell her to do (food, therapy, etc.). Glad Lara loaned you her Mac laptop - see how easy they are to learn?! Careful, or you'll get spoiled by that one... Smile,Wink, & Grin

Lee, I bet your encounter with that huge biker guy could have been much worse if you'd said you weren't in the service, and if he was mad at you.Wink

Aw, PC, you pick the easy chapters to teach, don't you? Smile,Wink, & Grin

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I can't wait to go back to work tomorrow and get a break from this Hunny Do list!
 

I'm sure you do, PC - just don't tell that to your 'Hunny'...Whistling

Ray, I think you won the prize for the fastest time on putting up your Christmas decorations. Thumbs UpLaugh I'd say, go for it with those old lights! But have your fire extinguisher ready... And I like your arrangement better than some of the 'trendy' varieties of lights they are coming out with each year. Liked your 'greens' joke, too - bet Garry will like it as well.

B-C - Forty people? Wow!! Yeah, I'd call that way more than a little swamped. Good thing the fire department didn't swing by to check maximum occupancy on your place! Wink

Jeff, thanks for the photos of Pearl Harbor.Thumbs Up

Sign - Welcome to the Diner, F-unit! (Have you been in before? Thought your name sounded familiar)

Today I got treated for breakfast (along with the rest of our 'Twelve' - it's sort of a leadership/small group for small group leaders, if that explains things) by our Twelve leader, at the local Cracker Barrel.

Church was a bit rough for some of the singles who knew Daniel (who died Friday and I just got the word last night). His best friend Tim was having a rough time of it, so I sat up in the row he usually sits in (and some other friends of Tim sat in the row behind). I teared up some, but I think it helped Tim some that we were there, and a couple of the people took Tim to lunch after early service.

Tonight I went back for a special guest the church had - John Bevere. His message was great, and convicting in several parts. Our Twelve has been studying his recent book "Honor's Reward".

It's cold enough tonight; 29 F (-2 C), and wind chill of 22 F (-6 C). But at least we don't have snow!

Hi Flip - hope you're staying comfy warm down there in Florida!Cool

Well, I'm gonna finish up my cocoa and then I'll be heading for home. See you all in the morning!

 

Blessings,

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:28 PM

Well, finished all the cleaning up around here. Now we have enough leftovers for a week..Chef This will keep me busy for awhile...

Have a good night people I's be heading for bedZzzSmile,Wink, & Grin

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Posted by der5997 on Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:29 PM

Good evening folks, and thank you for all the suggestions about the track crud problem.  I don't think it can be any deposit from the hot air system.  I "Gleamed" the entire layout in late January 2008. At that point a clean wheeled loco could be taken at a crawl anywhere on the layout. While that means the furnace was on for the first few months of the cleaned track's time, it has been off for the summer and Fall.  It hasn't come on at all for about two weeks as we've been burning wood 24/7. We had the wood stove on days-mostly in January through March. Any other wood burning mmrs have a problem with track cleanliness due to wood fires?

I'm beginning to think the root of the problem is not simply salt air, heating systems or road dust. It really started after I painted the rail and ballasted the track. I used acryllic paint.  The worst crud build up is in the lower yard. That's the one which long time Diner (aka Coffee Shop) patrons may remember I foolishly ballasted with wood-stove ash, and had to re-do.  In my hidden loops the track is not painted.  I've just run my "Port Authority" loco along the longest of the hidden, therefore unpainted, sections, and it was flawless. The only track where it lost conductivity was out of the tunnel, on painted ballasted track. 

As to the road, it isn't busy, in fact a rural backwater. Although gravel, I don't think it's dust from the road.  The one part of the layout that runs at all well right now is the container port, and that's quite close to the room's only window (which does face that road). Incidentally, the room's only hot air vent is under that window. In fact dust (and the need therefore to vacuum) is not the cause on its own. The crud isn't loose, and doesn't respond to vacuuming. 

The track is nickle-silver, Flip, so it's not rust. And blownout, you're right, it's build up, not pitting. Does acrylic paint react with salt air to cause a build up? Any chemists out there? I dislike going out onto the main Forum, but may have to start a topic on this. The thought of re-painting al that track with a solvent based paint gives one pause, but if that's what has to be done in order to use the layout.......

I don't want to go back to abraisive cleaners like bright boys, as the scratching of the railhead leaves places where dirt can accumulate.  That's the beauty of the Gleam Method, the rails are burnished and polished.  I have a Centerline car, that I use for my alcohol application. I could try the clipper oil (I've a small quantity I used for the throw bars of turnouts during ballasting so the glue doesn't stick them) I may think again about Goo Gone and Rail Zip, and as suggested, letting the stuff dry.

In the mean time it looks like my hand held cab for the NCE Powerhouse DCC system is dying, losing control of loco speed on some locos, and of one decoder completely.  SighBanged Head 

It's that time again, must get to bed. Thanks for listening, and please keep those thoughts about this coming.  goodnight all, and God Bless. Prayers for all in need of healing, comfort and peace.Angel

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