Busted!!

[Anonymous]

Welcome to Ashcroft's America. I'm gonna avoid a political flame war on this site, mainly because I don't frequent this site enough to really hold an ongoing discussion.
Along the same lines as you worrying about terrorist crap that seems to be used an excuse for almost everything nowadays, (including the Bush (the puppet prez) admin member referring to the Teacher's Union as a terrorist organization, read the news (non-FOX) if you don't believe me), I''ve got a roll of film that I'm afraid of gettting developed, just because it contains pics of planes AND buildings. I used to live in a 5 story building where I had roof access, and it had an incredible view of the surrounding city (Albany, NY) AND was in the main flight path of planes descending to Albany International. But now I can't even go get it developed, for fear of being accosted by whatever law enforcement agency would be interested.
Basically, it sucks and do not expect it to get any better. And maybe do a quick re-read of 1984 and start noticing that truth is becoming stranger than fiction.

[Anonymous]

ACL Fan is catching considerable flak for stating a correct position. Name calling him won't improve the counterargument. Trespass is illegal, setting a scoff-law example for children is worse. Defending trespass as the moral equal of a "speed-trap" won't fly. The area was admittedly known to be railroad property and well posted.

I wonder what turn the dialog will take when one or more children argue: "What I did was no worse than railfanning trespass"?

Bottom line: Confine railfanning to public property and do it safely.

Randy

[lupo]

RDA1964,
IMHO !
I think ACL Fan catched considerable flak because of his overall negative attitude specially towards our younger members in a lot off the stuff he posts lately
IMHO!

[Fergmiester]

Not to take sides but if you want some insight go to one of your news www sight and go through the archives using words like arson, train wreck, derailment etc. It will kinda blow you away as you realize what happens "out there" on a day to day basis. The following are some sample I dug out, One in particular which occurred in my neck of the woods. A 15 year old bot tampered with a lock on a turnout and derailed a passenger train, which was doing about 60 mph at the time.

http://www.libdems.org.uk/module/printnews.cfm/article.4620
http://montreal.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=qc_rail20040902
http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/2003/06/20/lumber_train030620
http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/2003/03/11/stewiacke_rpt030311

Better locks might have prevented train wreck
Last Updated Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:22:40
HALIFAX - Trespassing and vandalism were the main reasons a Via passenger train went off the rails in Stewiacke, N.S., nearly two years ago, the Transportation Safety Board of Canada has concluded.
The board released its final report on Tuesday into the derailment that injured 22 people on April 12, 2001.
The recommendations contained in the report include putting more secure locks on rail switches, which the board says most rail companies are doing.
The train, with two locomotives and 14 cars, was en route from Halifax to Montreal when nine cars jumped off the track and slammed into a farm supply store.
#61623; RELATED: Sabotage not ruled out in N.S. Via train crash
#61623; RELATED: Youth sentenced to six months for derailing train
A switch had been tampered with, sending some of the cars onto an industrial side rail.
A teenage boy was sentenced to six months in reformatory last fall for breaking the lock and tampering with the switch.


The stats are definately not in our favour and as always it just takes one bad apple to spoil it for everyone.

If you read the incidents of terrorism and sabotage in other regions of the world you will realize how lucky we are and that someone is looking out for us.

[lupo]

Maybe some railroad companies could provide room for railfanning? a fenced off parkingplace at a place where railfans can safely do their fanning?
we have that at our national airport for plainfanning (spotters they are called)
close to the airfield with good view they made some parking lots for those guys

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by lupo

Maybe some railroad companies could provide room for railfanning? a fenced off parkingplace at a place where railfans can safely do their fanning?
we have that at our national airport for plainfanning (spotters they are called)
close to the airfield with good view they made some parking lots for those guys

Consider yourself lucky. Since 9/11 our airport closed those parking spaces people used to sit and view from. Now, in all fairness they are performing a lot of construction around Lambert, so they may "re-appear" but not with all of the talk about ground based attacks such as what happened to El-Al in Africa late last year.

[MAbruce]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rda1964


ACL Fan is catching considerable flak for stating a correct position. Name calling him won't improve the counterargument. Trespass is illegal, setting a scoff-law example for children is worse. Defending trespass as the moral equal of a "speed-trap" won't fly. The area was admittedly known to be railroad property and well posted.

I wonder what turn the dialog will take when one or more children argue: "What I did was no worse than railfanning trespass"?

Bottom line: Confine railfanning to public property and do it safely.

Randy

I’m going to set aside my “stay away from these kinds of threads” policy and chime in here because I think this is a serious safety issue.

Many here don’t seem to like ACL Fan, but the issue being discussed is trespassing on RR property in order to railfan. I’m not going to judge how ACL Fan may be treating the younger people on this forum, but the position he states is correct. Also, what Randy said is 110 percent correct. Period.

This is more than obeying a law, trespassing being illegal, and not showing any respect for other peoples property. It’s about safety and understanding the times we live in. Things are not going to be the same anymore. All that changed on 9/11.

You may not like the railroads, the RR police, Ashcroft, the president, or whatever. So couldn’t we just respect the laws to honor the thousands of people who have already sacrificed their lives in this war?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ACL Fan

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

I view trespassing like speeding on the highway, it happens, just don't get caught. This comment may draw some heat form some members, but this is my opinion, and I'll stand by it. This whole thread has been about just that, getting caught in the railroad's "speed trap". I got off with a warning, but I don't plan to change, just choose my times more wisely.

You're hurting everyone who likes to railfan when you do that. Thanks for your thoughtlessness.

And when you DO get caught, you deserve to be arrested and prosecuted. Then you can explain to your children, whom you're teaching to break the law when they don't like it, why Daddy's getting handcuffed and placed in the back seat of a police car.

Also, the wife will love it.

I have thought about ACL's response...

Arrest and Prosecution should be used more delicately. People are not automatically guilty of the worst extreme of an offense just because they broke a minor law. That's why he recieved a warning... because police are given that flexibility.

The real question is how many feet seperated him and public property? I mean to arrest someone for stepping "out of line" (or litterally stepping a few feet,) is a real problem. Now, if they were on the tracks or in a rail yard, okay... but think about the extreme you are promoting. What if they were literally just "looking" from the wrong side of an invisible line? I think it would amaze you to know how many laws you break in a day, most people are amazed when they get reminded and cited.

I guess my main point is, why wish anyone have a permanent mark on their record for what is clearly an innocent admiration of the railroad in their area? Remember, this was the "norm" for YEARS... until 9/11, so it is obviously a heightened sense of "security" (also known as paranoia.)

I think what is most troubling about your response is how confrontational you come off. If this were an isolated thing, I would feel just as I described above, "no big deal, it was just his emotion about this topic." Instead, I have to say that reading many of your inflamatory posts in recent weeks, you are literally out there laying for a fight. Very harsh...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MAbruce

QUOTE: Originally posted by rda1964


ACL Fan is catching considerable flak for stating a correct position. Name calling him won't improve the counterargument. Trespass is illegal, setting a scoff-law example for children is worse. Defending trespass as the moral equal of a "speed-trap" won't fly. The area was admittedly known to be railroad property and well posted.

I wonder what turn the dialog will take when one or more children argue: "What I did was no worse than railfanning trespass"?

Bottom line: Confine railfanning to public property and do it safely.

Randy

I’m going to set aside my “stay away from these kinds of threads” policy and chime in here because I think this is a serious safety issue.

Many here don’t seem to like ACL Fan, but the issue being discussed is trespassing on RR property in order to railfan. I’m not going to judge how ACL Fan may be treating the younger people on this forum, but the position he states is correct. Also, what Randy said is 110 percent correct. Period.

This is more than obeying a law, trespassing being illegal, and not showing any respect for other peoples property. It’s about safety and understanding the times we live in. Things are not going to be the same anymore. All that changed on 9/11.

You may not like the railroads, the RR police, Ashcroft, the president, or whatever. So couldn’t we just respect the laws to honor the thousands of people who have already sacrificed their lives in this war?

Look, hahaha, this is going ot be good...

Your postion or opinion is IRRELEVANT if you have the incapability to state it properly..

(note Your doesn't mean You or him, means "Everyone indirectly")

How yould you like it in my opinion, If i dissed you up about 25 times? you'd be Fruiated!

Look telling someone, Well i don't like Tresspassing is not the smartest Idea, is one thing, But adding, I hope you get arrested and I hope your wife finds out..or whatever he wrote, is not necesary, it deviates form the fact, it is NOT going to discourage tresspassing, and it only Builds up resentment.

Thte fact the ACL fan tormented, and threatened various Teenagers on this forum, is NOT irrelevant, as a matter of fact, If we can't function as a proper society, this entire forum concept goes down the Toilet.

I don't know where your from, but where i'm from, For an adult to be threatening a teenager is a serious offence. But just because it is over the interent and we can't see his face that makes it in your terms socially acceptable?


We are now looking at bigger socail issues, and the fact, that ACL fan seems to have an inability ot properly state how he feels without putting soemone down. There is somehting seriously wrong with that.

That is what we are debating now, And it is a seriosu issue, and Can not be put on the back burner.

If Fully Grown mature Adults can get away with speaking to Children in such as what we have seen that illustrates a complete Failure of bystanders and Society as a person to do play there roles properly.

I know for one, I won't sit back and wathc this, Although i don't know many people here, My instincs are to protect anyone from threats such as him. Perhaps no one can grasp how serious this is, but imagine the same situation took place in a public park..

The police would ahve been involved for sure.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Thte fact the ACL fan tormented, and threatened various Teenagers on this forum, is NOT irrelevant, as a matter of fact, If we can't function as a proper society, this entire forum concept goes down the Toilet.

Please show me the specific posts under my name in which I threatened anyone of any age on this forum. Since you seem positive I have done so, I'd be interested in seeing where and when I do that.

[vsmith]

OK this is getting out of hand here. ACL's point is valid...

1st off, TRESPASSING ON RAILROAD PROPERTY IS ILLEGAL.

OK Now that we've said it, accept it, its the LAW! no one here is going to aurgue that they have a "right to photo" on someone elses property. If they do I'de love to hear the case for it vs the rights of property owners. Trespassing on private property is a crime in the eyes of the law, granted more a misdemenor, not a felony. The aurgument of someone using your backyard without permission is apropriate, otherwise for example film crews could set up camera's wherever they wanted without your permission, what were blocking your driveway?too bad!

2nd off, FOAMERS WILL TRESPASS.

OK Lets accept that! Foamers will go to some pretty serious extremes to get photos, etc. No one will aurgue that either, I've seen it. I've seen them hanging off trees on cuts to get that overhead shot. This is just the nature of the hobby, its going to happen

3rd off. If there is a railroad cop near you ITS HIS DUTY to shoo you away if your on RR ROW.

OK lets accept that. Hes doing his JOB. He paid to keep you from getting hurt on RR property and thus a possible lawsuit from someone who might get hurt even while trespassing. We live in a society where you can sue someone for getting hurt while robbing a store. If you are clearly on posted RR property he has the obligation to shoo you off. If he comes off RR property to hastle you then you have a guy who's got some issues. One foamer I talked to told me of an incident where he was taking pictures from a fast food parking lot next to the tracks while eating lunch, a RR cop told him he was trespassing, to which he told the cop to ask the owners of the restaruant whos property he was on, the cop left.

4th off If your on RR ROW doing something stupid enough to warrent arrest YOU DESERVE IT!


OK think about that! If your on RR ROW taking pictures, the cops wont arrest you, they'll ask you to leave. If your on RR ROW standing in the middle of the tracks at an onecoming train or on top of a moving frieght car taking pictures, maybe you NEED to have your *** arrested. Capish? taking picturers is one thing, doing something that can result in injury or death is another. If you get arrested in front of your kids while doing something stupid then good, maybe your kids will learn a valuable life lesson...

[vsmith]

I posted this last week over on the Trains.com forum, a stupid person doing something stupid on RR property and getting killed stupidly in front of his kid...maybe it should be read here and maybe some will begin to understand why RR's take trespassing seriously...

This just happened today, I know I should feel sorry for this guys family , but Jezzzziss Jiminy Crickets what was this guy trying to prove?

Man Dies After Tossing Rope At Train

SIMI VALLEY — A 43-year-old man tossed a rope into the path of a freight train, apparently on a lark, and was killed after becoming entangled in the rope and dragged by the train, authorities said.
Alan Pichel Sr. was hanging out with his 17-year-old son near the train tracks Monday evening when he threw a bottle tied to a shopping cart into the train's path, said John Bromley, a spokesman for Union Pacific Railroad.

"Apparently, they wanted to watch the shopping cart be dragged along by the train," Bromley said.

Authorities say it remains unclear exactly how Pichel became entangled, though police Sgt. Joe May said the man's death was the result of "a strange chain of events."

"I've heard about people getting hit by the train, or people committing suicide by stepping in front of the train, but nothing like this," May said.

Police stopped the train, which was moving about 15 mph, after about a mile. Coroner's officials said an autopsy showed Pichel died from multiple blunt-force injuries.

Pichel's son, Alan Jr., said Tuesday that he and his father "weren't even that close to the tracks." "He just didn't see it coming and it caught him. It happened so fast," he said, adding that his father liked to joke around. "He was just the funniest guy," the teen said. "He was a character."


How many days before the family files a lawsuit against the RR? Any takers?

[Fergmiester]

As cold hearted as this may sound I believe this individual is a candidate for a Darwin Award!

http://official.darwinawards.com/


Safety has to be considered paramount in todays society as technology is becoming ever so lethal.

[MAbruce]

QUOTE:
Look, hahaha, this is going ot be good...

Your postion or opinion is IRRELEVANT if you have the incapability to state it properly..

HUH?? I think you should have phrased it: "...if you don't have the capability to state it properly." That makes more sense, and is grammatically correct.

"Postion" is also not a word.

Maybe you ough to reconsider saying such things if you can't state it properly yourself?

But that's not the real issue here.

QUOTE:
How yould you like it in my opinion, If i dissed you up about 25 times? you'd be Fruiated!

I think you may have dissed me 25 times in your reply. [:p] Also, I like fruit too, but what does it have to being dissed?? [:o)][;)]

QUOTE:
Thte fact the ACL fan tormented, and threatened various Teenagers on this forum, is NOT irrelevant, as a matter of fact, If we can't function as a proper society, this entire forum concept goes down the Toilet.

We are now looking at bigger socail issues, and the fact, that ACL fan seems to have an inability ot properly state how he feels without putting soemone down. There is somehting seriously wrong with that.

I was really not trying to defend ACL Fan's behavior, nor saying anything he said was irrelevant. I was just taking issue with people disagreeing with him because he may not have been nice about it.

I can see it now: One of our forum members is caught trespassing on RR property, and his/her only reason for doing it was because they were mad at the way ACL Fan said it was wrong. [(-D]

I stopped using that excuse in Junior High!

QUOTE:
That is what we are debating now, And it is a seriosu issue, and Can not be put on the back burner.

The "seriosu" (did you mean "serious"?) issue is breaking the law by trespassing on RR property to rail fan. If you want to turn this into "ACL Fan is treating teenagers badly", then start a new thread!

Also, I suggest you find a way spell check your postings. It made it rather difficult to follow.

[dekemd]

I don't work for the railroad police but I am a Sheriff's Deputy, so I thought I'd give a law enforcement perspective. Most likely, the officer involved has been told by his superiors to enforce the no trespassing at this spot. He was not on a power trip because he could have been a lot worse if he wanted to. He could have very easily handcuffed Big_Boy_4005 and took him to jail. He could have checked his ID, run his tag and drivers license, and generally made things a lot worse for Big_Boy_4005, but he didn't. He just told him to leave, which suggests that he wasn't too concerned with Big_Boy_4005 presence. HOWEVER, if Big_Boy_4005 trespasses again on RR property and this same officer catches him, he is probably going to arrest him. Coming back after being told to not be on the property will raise suspicions. I know some have been approached by RR police even though they were on public property. Some say the RRs and police are just paranoid, but think about this. What would any of you think is someone kept standing on the sidewalk and taking pictures of your house. Even though they are on public property would you not be concerned about them? The RR police cannot do anything to you when you are on public property, but can you see why they still might be concerned about your presence?

My suggestion if you are approached by RR police is to be polite and tell them why you are there and what you are doing. If you are on RR property and they ask you to leave, apologize, and ask them if they know anywhere you can go that you can get some good pictures. Some of them probably know some good spots where they won't bother you. Do not go back to the spot you were run off from. Your next encounter with them may not be very pleasant. If that picture worth going to jail for?

Derrick

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MAbruce

QUOTE:
Look, hahaha, this is going ot be good...

Your postion or opinion is IRRELEVANT if you have the incapability to state it properly..

HUH?? I think you should have phrased it: "...if you don't have the capability to state it properly." That makes more sense, and is grammatically correct.

"Postion" is also not a word.

Maybe you ough to reconsider saying such things if you can't state it properly yourself?

But that's not the real issue here.

QUOTE:
How yould you like it in my opinion, If i dissed you up about 25 times? you'd be Fruiated!

I think you may have dissed me 25 times in your reply. [:p] Also, I like fruit too, but what does it have to being dissed?? [:o)][;)]

QUOTE:
Thte fact the ACL fan tormented, and threatened various Teenagers on this forum, is NOT irrelevant, as a matter of fact, If we can't function as a proper society, this entire forum concept goes down the Toilet.

We are now looking at bigger socail issues, and the fact, that ACL fan seems to have an inability ot properly state how he feels without putting soemone down. There is somehting seriously wrong with that.

I was really not trying to defend ACL Fan's behavior, nor saying anything he said was irrelevant. I was just taking issue with people disagreeing with him because he may not have been nice about it.

I can see it now: One of our forum members is caught trespassing on RR property, and his/her only reason for doing it was because they were mad at the way ACL Fan said it was wrong. [(-D]

I stopped using that excuse in Junior High!

QUOTE:
That is what we are debating now, And it is a seriosu issue, and Can not be put on the back burner.

The "seriosu" (did you mean "serious"?) issue is breaking the law by trespassing on RR property to rail fan. If you want to turn this into "ACL Fan is treating teenagers badly", then start a new thread!

Also, I suggest you find a way spell check your postings. It made it rather difficult to follow.

Please give Kevin a little slack on the spelling and grammer, his fingers type faster that his eyes, we've been chiding him on his spelling over on the Trains.com forum, and we've just learned to accept it as just Kevin being Kevin.

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

QUOTE: Originally posted by MAbruce

QUOTE:
Look, hahaha, this is going ot be good...

Your postion or opinion is IRRELEVANT if you have the incapability to state it properly..

HUH?? I think you should have phrased it: "...if you don't have the capability to state it properly." That makes more sense, and is grammatically correct.

"Postion" is also not a word.

Maybe you ough to reconsider saying such things if you can't state it properly yourself?

But that's not the real issue here.

QUOTE:
How yould you like it in my opinion, If i dissed you up about 25 times? you'd be Fruiated!

I think you may have dissed me 25 times in your reply. [:p] Also, I like fruit too, but what does it have to being dissed?? [:o)][;)]

QUOTE:
Thte fact the ACL fan tormented, and threatened various Teenagers on this forum, is NOT irrelevant, as a matter of fact, If we can't function as a proper society, this entire forum concept goes down the Toilet.

We are now looking at bigger socail issues, and the fact, that ACL fan seems to have an inability ot properly state how he feels without putting soemone down. There is somehting seriously wrong with that.

I was really not trying to defend ACL Fan's behavior, nor saying anything he said was irrelevant. I was just taking issue with people disagreeing with him because he may not have been nice about it.

I can see it now: One of our forum members is caught trespassing on RR property, and his/her only reason for doing it was because they were mad at the way ACL Fan said it was wrong. [(-D]

I stopped using that excuse in Junior High!

QUOTE:
That is what we are debating now, And it is a seriosu issue, and Can not be put on the back burner.

The "seriosu" (did you mean "serious"?) issue is breaking the law by trespassing on RR property to rail fan. If you want to turn this into "ACL Fan is treating teenagers badly", then start a new thread!

Also, I suggest you find a way spell check your postings. It made it rather difficult to follow.

Please give Kevin a little slack on the spelling and grammer, his fingers type faster that his eyes, we've been chiding him on his spelling over on the Trains.com forum, and we've just learned to accept it as just Kevin being Kevin.

He's also a little linguistically challenged being from Kwabeck.

[Anonymous]

A haravrd university Study once Said, that should i reverse certain letters, your brain should Still be able to process the word As if it were spelt correctly, Partially because your brain doesn't process each letter

If you can't read my posts, skip them, i don't care.

I'm sorry if my spelling is terrible, English for me is a 2nd Language. Thsi was not my first language, I learned french first, and only Started learning English a few years back.

Howveer i wsn't aware i was writing an English Essay, where every spelling word counts, evedently my Mistake.

But whne i look at kids who Spoke french all of their life, such as myself, And see that there english is the second best thing to dog Crap, still saying "dere" instead of there, and can't quite get the H in three, and prononce that "tree" I relize that My english has progressed much more then their english has

'm sorry, Since i go to school, and don't doddle away doing nothing, I don't have the time to spell check my words..

When I start spelling Like This, then you can tell me a few things.

"Huked on Fonics wurked for mee!"

However, like i said, If it's a simple Reversing of letters your Brain shouldn't have much of a comprehension problem,

here are two prime examples

"The Quick Brown Fox Slept all day, and said to hell with the lazy dog"

"The Qucik Brwon Fox slept all day, and siad to hell with the lazy dog"

Both took me one second to read, one not longer then the other, See my Brain automatically Associates the word "Bronw" with "Brown" Unless, any of you, can come up with somehting better, i would tend to agree with my own Statemnt, that there is a strong possibility the Brwon Could Equal Brown, But that might be just me making that Corilation.

Oh and i do leave of letters all the time, Oops,

once again, If i had the time to post perfect Responses i would, but let me all remind you, the RR industy is not about perfect spelling.

For those of you who didn't know this, I work for CP rail.

Althoguh, I mostly speak French all Day, You would never know, if you heard my verbal speech that I know and am Billingual in two languages, I suppose Billingual MEANS two languages, my bad again.

When I use the term "dissed you up" That is Street talk, That means if someone insulted, or Dissrespected ( see the route word ) you 25 times, you would be angry

You know, ACL fan is right... chuckle all you want.. Threatening was the wrong word, Once again, my English is very limited, and I did use the wrong word.

When i can match his exact be behavior, Ill tell everyone what it is.

I jsut don't and, no one should, appreciate older memebrs picking on the younger ones, that doesn't even hapen in primeate colonies, so why should it happen here.

Everyone should know that, when you feel like Delivering your opinion, try as much as you can to lay off words like "YOU" or "HE" Rememebr, it's your opinion, anything out of the first person dialect (ME, MYSELF, and I), is fine, the YOU's and HE's would be causing an argument for no reason, because you should neevr accuse other people of anyhtign when delivering your opinion

Blah Blah Blah here i go again, i'm not mad at you for corecting me, I fully expected it to happen once or twice on this forums, although I am new to this BRANCH, i have been on the TRAINS.com Forum for quite some time now, and have heard it all about my spelling.

Dan is right, I am Linguistically Challenged from Quebec, Or Kwabek [:D]

But ehre i don't agree wiht you, Is that, if you have somehting to say, say it Nicely, brings back :" If you don't have anyhting nice to say, Keep your mouth F^%&ing shut."

At least thats the direct translation from the French version, i would Imagine you were taught a different version.

Everyone in this forum would appreciate if you could, for the most, phrase your opinion as if you were talking to your Boss,

Mr ACL, would you have said whatever you said to your boss?

Naw, i doubt it.

I'm not saying phrase everyhting like Flowers, and lah dee dah and all that crap

What I AM saying, is that leave the personal flames behind.
They serve no purpose, and are useless and will ony antagonize other parties.

There im done.

I would rather not have to post naymore about Samantics, if you can understand what i'm typing, your at a benefit, if you can't, sorry, you'll have to skip my posts.

But i have seen the skill and the intelligence in Almost everyone's posts, and my assumption is, that a lot of people will be able and are able to understand what i'm writing.

Now i have class, My french teacher will have a FIT if i am late...

[Roadtrp]

Wow!!

[|(][|(]

I wonder if we could get a group rate for Prozac...

[swg]

[Fergmiester]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Roadtrp

Wow!!

[|(][|(]

I wonder if we could get a group rate for Prozac...

[swg]

Better make it a party pack[:D]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ACL Fan

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Thte fact the ACL fan tormented, and threatened various Teenagers on this forum, is NOT irrelevant, as a matter of fact, If we can't function as a proper society, this entire forum concept goes down the Toilet.

Please show me the specific posts under my name in which I threatened anyone of any age on this forum. Since you seem positive I have done so, I'd be interested in seeing where and when I do that.

You remember.

[Big_Boy_4005]

I posted this over on ACL Fan's topic Truth or Fiction, but I want to make sure that people see it, so I'm posting it here too.

---

The

TRUTH

is that I like to

PROVOKE THOUGHT

here on the forum, and it seems that I have. As we have all seen, discussing trains, model or real, need not be mindless banter.

When I saw ACL's first response to the Busted!! topic, I could sense his outrage, and proceded to set a trap with my follow up remark.

---

The following is an excerpt from an email exchange between Deschane and myself:

deschane: P.S. Who is ACLFAN, anyway! He doesn't seem to be a happy camper

me: Mark, I knew I would goad him into a response like that with my remark that he quoted. I got him to show his true colors, and let the others jump on him. It was a kind of sneaky and rotten thing for me to do, but it worked.

---

With deschane as my witness, it is clear in this case that I was doing the provoking. The question is was anyone, myself included, doing the thinking?

I, and I suspect a few others, saw the first version of the response that ACL posted and quickly edited. I NEVER GET ANGRY over things here in the forum, and this incident was no different. Some things that go on here do frustrate me from time to time, but when placed in the proper perspective, the frustration quickly subsides.

I hope that in the end we all come away wiser from this experience, I know that I have.

[Anonymous]

Uh do you mean ME

[Big_Boy_4005]

I mean everyone Mark. Me , you, ACL, Dave, EVERYONE! You weren't at the center of this one, but I know that you know what its like.[:D][swg]

You know that I do like to provoke thought, go back to the long forgotten page ONE of the DOS topic, and read through to page three, then skip to pages 9 -15 and read my comments.

ACL and I are not always on opposite sides of issues, in fact we aren't totally on opposite sides here. I think what escalated this to flame level was when the remarks became personal. That outraged other members, and this whole thing BLEW UP.

It can be a fine line sometimes, between making a point and getting personal. It isn't always easy to choose the right words to do that, and the fact that we can't HEAR the tone of the other person's voice makes it more difficult.

Some people don't realize that all of those silly little faces that we use sometimes, are really a tool for conveying tone and attitude, along with our words, WHICH WE NEED TO CHOOSE CAREFULLY!!!

The true story here is: for at least the last 20 years the railroad never seemed to mind or bother the railfans who used this small parking lot. The railfans appriciated, enjoyed, benefitted from, and became accustomed to this fact! Suddenly the policy regarding this 200' x 40' patch of gravel, located between the curb of the city street and the rails, has changed!

This was never ment to be about rail fanning in general, ethics, morality, or law. It was more of a sad commentary on what our open society has been duped into, by a small handfull of terrorist idiots!

Sincerely,
Al K. Duhhhhhh

[Anonymous]

It appears to be the same people posting on these "heated topics," which begs the question whether there is some relationship between hostile posters, those who mean to provoke, and people who like to complain and these "heated topics." Just stay away from that sort of behaviour or you'll just end up appologizing to someone you don't like.

[Anonymous]

Wow! Being a spelling nazi or a grammer nazi about someone else's post is a sure sign that the complainer has lost their argument. Always has been and always will be, welcome to the wonderful world of online debate.

[Anonymous]

There is no guarantee you might not injure yourself on railroad property. Lawsuits from exactly this type of injury have become a major concern for most railroads. People today seem to want to take money from someone else and retire rather than perform honorable work. The railroads are just coverting their butts.

Tom

[Fergmiester]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

I mean everyone Mark. Me , you, ACL, Dave, EVERYONE! You weren't at the center of this one, but I know that you know what its like.[:D][swg]

This was never ment to be about rail fanning in general, ethics, morality, or law. It was more of a sad commentary on what our open society has been duped into, by a small handfull of terrorist idiots![/size=4][/b]

Sincerely,
Al K. Duhhhhhh

Youforgot to include the Blood sucking, life taking, money grabing, ambulance chasing, sap sucking, bottom of the food chain, parasitic, shark like [censored].

YOU KNOW who I Mean!

[Big_Boy_4005]

Yeah Ferg, my father was a lawyer, he hated it so much he quit practicing, and went into real estate. [:D]

[dave9999]

Speaking of lawyers, I ran across this story the other day on the internet.

In Pensacola, Fla., a drunken man who passed out on the CSX train tracks sued because he was hit by a train. Pedro Duran, 56, lost an arm and suffered a broken back in the accident. The train's engineer, who saw Duran but thought he was a lump of trash, blew the train's whistle for 54 seconds before the collision. Duran was awarded $600,000 for damages.

Sad times we live in. Dave