Busted!!

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

Hawks, THAT'S DAYTON'S BLUFF!!!! The place I've been telling you about. Good thing you were in school today, not that anything bad happened, but the weather was crappy, and I nearly got skunked anyway.[:D]

This has been on a Pentrex tape and on a Walthers flyer before! There was a place where I live called CP BURN. like this that was in a few tapes and articles that CR let you go to (A dirt lot) AS LONG AS YOU STAYED OFF THE TRACKS. There we're literely 10 people there on a average weekend. Once 'Nazi Southern' moved in here they got rid of all the fun. I would NEVER go on the tracks but railroads don't see it like that anymore.

Yes Mark, it was once featured on the Walthers quarterly mailing, and the Pentrex video as well as a couple other videos that I have in my collection. You have a very good eye!!!

When it comes to railfanning and taking photos, SAFETY is the most important thing!!!!
I never go on the tracks, especially at this location, and sometimes I have my kids with me and they both know to stay way back too.

I view trespassing like speeding on the highway, it happens, just don't get caught. This comment may draw some heat form some members, but this is my opinion, and I'll stand by it. This whole thread has been about just that, getting caught in the railroad's "speed trap". I got off with a warning, but I don't plan to change, just choose my times more wisely.

[Hawks05]

thats the spirit.

PS i sent you another email last night. i have the benchwork done and have a loop up so far. the joys of finally running my trains.

[Big_Boy_4005]

I got it last night, but you said you were going to bed so I didn't write back. I'm glad you're having fun.[8D][:)]

[Anonymous]

Maybe if there had been a RR cop around to chase away the dopey SOB who threw a rope at a train, he would still be alive today.

[rambo1]

One day I went up to the CN tracks near my home and saw something odd going on so I called the police, I don't know what happend after but I feel that us railfans are also helping to police the tracks. Is there any way I D could be provided to show we are railfans? Perhaps through clubs? rambo1....

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

I view trespassing like speeding on the highway, it happens, just don't get caught. This comment may draw some heat form some members, but this is my opinion, and I'll stand by it. This whole thread has been about just that, getting caught in the railroad's "speed trap". I got off with a warning, but I don't plan to change, just choose my times more wisely.

You're hurting everyone who likes to railfan when you do that. Thanks for your thoughtlessness.

And when you DO get caught, you deserve to be arrested and prosecuted. Then you can explain to your children, whom you're teaching to break the law when they don't like it, why Daddy's getting handcuffed and placed in the back seat of a police car.

Also, the wife will love it.

[Anonymous]

Big_Boy_4005

It's your opinion, and so you should stand by it.

I may not view the same way you do, I don't, but thats your opinion, and I thnak you for sharing it.

I assume you therefore know the Risks Associated with Tresspasing, and the Consequences lie as they are.

I Sure as hell won't tell you "I Hope you get prosecuted" Because, that IS NOT the PROPER reaction from a True Railfan.

Best of luck

and Remember

it's only a crime when you get caught (Don't tell ACL I told you that)

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

I Sure as hell won't tell you "I Hope you get prosecuted" Because, that IS NOT the PROPER reaction from a True Railfan.

Best of luck

and Remember

it's only a crime when you get caught (Don't tell ACL I told you that)

I wasn't aware that a True Railfan advocates breaking the law. I figured, respecting others' property rights was a smart (and legal) thing to do. But maybe not.

I guess I'm not a True Railfan, if I have to support criminal activities to be one.

[Fergmiester]

Before this gets out of hand lets just slow down and bleed some steam off. I for one have walked the rails with camera in hand. In my much younger years I probably made one or two Engineer' hearts skip a beat or two just to get that photo. The vast majority of us are law abiding citizens who would not do anything to cause harm to private or public property. As we live in a free society and we consider unfettered mobility a right. The facts are against us so consider this:

Railroads are an integral part of our infrastructure which are responsible for the transportation of Hazmats in large quantaties.

Liability is an increasing risk factor that large corporations are being nailed for. Ask McDonalds and what happens when somebody spills a hot coffee on themselves.

If you ever research or are involved with with accident causation you would be amazed by the accident stats. Simple mistakes which we all make can cause 100's of millions of dollars of damage. If an innocent bystander is involved tack another $200 million to the price tag.

If the RR's want to keep their insurance costs down they have to show due diligence which includes enforcement.

Some of the best spys and those who wi***o disrupt our everyday way of life don't lurk in the shadows they blend in and what better way to pose as a railfan!

The odds that one of us is a terrorist or part of a fringe group is remote but as recent events have proven it is a possibility. The poor cop can't deferentiate between good and bad he's just doing his job. If he didn;t and that fruit bar got through the cracks and wiped out a train in a residential area the effects would be far reaching and we could only imagine what kind of crack down would be put in effect.

It's a sad day for the responsible ones without a doubt.

[Anonymous]

Why would be asked to leave? Isn't railfanning legal? I hope so.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Why would be asked to leave? Isn't railfanning legal? I hope so.

He was on RR property. It's like someone going in your backyard without permission. On KCS Railfanning IS ILLEGAL..[V]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Why would be asked to leave? Isn't railfanning legal? I hope so.

He was on RR property. It's like someone going in your backyard without permission. On KCS Railfanning IS ILLEGAL..[V]

Bingo.

I guess we do sometimes agree!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ACL Fan

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Why would be asked to leave? Isn't railfanning legal? I hope so.

He was on RR property. It's like someone going in your backyard without permission. On KCS Railfanning IS ILLEGAL..[V]

Bingo.

I guess we do sometimes agree!

I read that in Trains.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ACL Fan

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

I view trespassing like speeding on the highway, it happens, just don't get caught. This comment may draw some heat form some members, but this is my opinion, and I'll stand by it. This whole thread has been about just that, getting caught in the railroad's "speed trap". I got off with a warning, but I don't plan to change, just choose my times more wisely.

You're hurting everyone who likes to railfan when you do that. Thanks for your thoughtlessness.

And when you DO get caught, you deserve to be arrested and prosecuted. Then you can explain to your children, whom you're teaching to break the law when they don't like it, why Daddy's getting handcuffed and placed in the back seat of a police car.

Also, the wife will love it.

ACL-I typed and erased alot stuff while I thought of how to answer this post. I don't need to defend Big_Boy he can do that himself. I just want to say that you have no idea what he is like and what he teaches his kids. You seem to have a lot of hostility in your posts that do not need to be directed at him.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Girl_4005

QUOTE: Originally posted by ACL Fan

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

I view trespassing like speeding on the highway, it happens, just don't get caught. This comment may draw some heat form some members, but this is my opinion, and I'll stand by it. This whole thread has been about just that, getting caught in the railroad's "speed trap". I got off with a warning, but I don't plan to change, just choose my times more wisely.

You're hurting everyone who likes to railfan when you do that. Thanks for your thoughtlessness.

And when you DO get caught, you deserve to be arrested and prosecuted. Then you can explain to your children, whom you're teaching to break the law when they don't like it, why Daddy's getting handcuffed and placed in the back seat of a police car.

Also, the wife will love it.

ACL-I typed and erased alot stuff while I thought of how to answer this post. I don't need to defend Big_Boy he can do that himself. I just want to say that you have no idea what he is like and what he teaches his kids. You seem to have a lot of hostility in your posts that do not need to be directed at him.

Anyone who knowingly breaks the law and takes his children with him while doing so has a problem. Period. He may be a great guy, but teaching children that they don't have to respect the law if they don't feel like it leads to trouble later. If you don't care about that, that's your problem--but when kids who were taught to act this way start acting this way--trespassing,f or example, they become everyone's problem.

The railroads and government are already becoming hostile toward everyday railfans as it is--when people like this claim they're going to continue their illegal activities (as play it off as some kind of game) are only serving to make things tougher on the rest of us law-abiding railfans.

So, yes, the hostility certainly does need to be directed at him. he is, as they say, part of the problem.

[dharmon]

Big Girl....

Don't even waste your time with him...he likes taking shots and running....now that he has found out you are an adult, he probably won't even respond...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

Big Girl....

Don't even waste your time with him...he likes taking shots and running....now that he has found out you are an adult, he probably won't even respond...

Don't go into business as a psychic. You've demonstrated a remarkable lack of ability in that area.

[dharmon]

No instead I'm going to be internet bully like yourself....pointing out the flaws in others and generally spreading my pent up anger.........

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

No instead I'm going to be internet bully like yourself....pointing out the flaws in others and generally spreading my pent up anger.........

Okay, if that's what you want. Seems odd that you'd do that, since you don't like when I do it, but, hey, go ahead...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ACL Fan

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

No instead I'm going to be internet bully like yourself....pointing out the flaws in others and generally spreading my pent up anger.........

Okay, if that's what you want. Seems odd that you'd do that, since you don't like when I do it, but, hey, go ahead...

Another fight? [V][V][V]

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ACL Fan

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

No instead I'm going to be internet bully like yourself....pointing out the flaws in others and generally spreading my pent up anger.........

Okay, if that's what you want. Seems odd that you'd do that, since you don't like when I do it, but, hey, go ahead...

The beauty of it all is you're finally going at it with an adult instead of picking on the kids......finally! You just made my night......

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by ACL Fan

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

No instead I'm going to be internet bully like yourself....pointing out the flaws in others and generally spreading my pent up anger.........

Okay, if that's what you want. Seems odd that you'd do that, since you don't like when I do it, but, hey, go ahead...

The beauty of it all is you're finally going at it with an adult instead of picking on the kids......finally! You just made my night......

THIS is what it takes to "make your night"? Man, you gotta raise your standards a little.

Oh, well, at least I have my own internet stalker. That's an honor.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

Big Girl....

Don't even waste your time with him...he likes taking shots and running....now that he has found out you are an adult, he probably won't even respond...

Thanks dharmon,
The reason I felt the need to post on Big_Boys behalf is that his actions seem to be being to taken to the far end of an extreme. Almost like the worst example of a ridiculous zero-tolerance policy(ie....the 6 year old child being suspended or expelled for bringing a toy sword to school). I guess I don't see things as being so black and white as others.[:D]

[dharmon]

Well I would suppose that your definition of stalking and mine would be different...stalking would mean that I seek you out......unfortunately it's the other way around...I can't seem to be able to read a thread without finding another example of you trying to beat up on a kid for having fun or getting another lesson in the world according to the middle aged and jaded....

...but as sad and pathetic as it may seem...you turning your guns on an adult pleases me, because it is so rare....but since this is not going to do anything but waste bandwith..and since it's approaching dinner time out here on the wrong coast I'm going go for now. I bid you adieu bitter one....

[Big_Boy_4005]

Thanks Kevin and Fergie and everyone else who supports me on this issue.

This was never intended as a legal or moral debate. It was just me telling of my experience yesterday, and commenting on the fact that for years this particular location has been a well known and publicized place to watch and photograph trains, albeit not with the blessing of the railroads, but certainly with a blind eye toward enforcement!!!!

A precident was clearly established, and suddenly there was a change. I have no idea if this is a new policy towards enforcement or if this was just a fluke encounter. The use of this particular spot is a privilege that railfans have been afforded for years, even though the railroad has every right to deny access to it. However if they were truly serious about it they would erect a fence, as this is a relatively small area.

Large companies have long used signage to attempt to deter the public from accessing their property. In the case of railroads it is mainly for the safety of the general public. This location is a small gravel parking lot next to the public street, the problem is that it is really the only safe place to leave your vehicle for miles.

I have the utmost respect for private property owned by individuals, however I take the view that large publicly held corporations do not necessarily share the same level of privacy as individuals. I'm not sure how the law views this issue, but on Monday morning I plan to purchase a share of stock in BNSF, CP, and UP. This will make me a part owner of the companies involved, and entitle me to a copy of their annual reports, and a vote at the annual meeting.

Maybe the real truth is that the officer who asked me to leave, had no choice but to do so, as he would not have been doing HIS duty if he had allowed me to stay while he was parked there.

[Anonymous]

O.k. guys, let's not have anymore fights. I know I speak for dougal, CNWfan5525 and myself when I say this. BTW dougal , railfanning on the KCS is illegal? Wow. Hope I don't get Busted when I go railfanning this spring!

[Anonymous]

Your Welcome, and no problem.

I may not like what you do, but hey, we have different opinions, And I on't smash you down for having yours.

ACL seems to be angry at the whole world, I'd hate to go grocery shopping with him/her!

Seems like you have some anger issues you might want to consider working out.. My E-mail is listed, press the button, And I'll see what I can do.

You know, when your feeling angry, taking it out on everyone else leads to anger, bad feelings, hostile relationships, and much much more.

Now unless you like your very own social life imploding on itself, you may want to consider changing track, and look at the Brighter things in life!

My it is a beautiful day!!

Have a hreat day EVERYONE

Cheers.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

O.k. guys, let's not have anymore fights. I know I speak for dougal, CNWfan5525 and myself when I say this. BTW dougal , railfanning on the KCS is illegal? Wow. Hope I don't get Busted when I go railfanning this spring!

Yeah it is. If you're caught railfanning you're a terrorist to them (from what I've heard)

[lupo]

Well said KevintheRRman !

maybe you can help the poor dude . . .
he is so bitter

have a great day and stay safe!

[Big_Boy_4005]

Unfortunately, I just discovered this item this morning. The remark next to the number one hot spot confirms my worst fears.

http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/004/641xdmac.asp

Though some people may think that I caused this to happen, the truth is that I don't actually go there very often, and the railroad thought this crap up on their own.

I am giving serious thought to following through on my previous threat to purchase stock in all 3 railroads and fight to regain access to this spot!!!

This morning's quotes were:

BNI $32 per share
UNP $64 per share
CP $24 per share

By the way, it was CP that was responsible for the extra signage.