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[Railfan Alex]

Yep, that derail was interesting. Someone on railpictures followed it's repair in the shops during the time it was there, something like 4 months.

[WCfan]

It just reminds me so much of the WC Scheme! It has absolutely nothing to do with Ed Burkhart!

[Anonymous]

8592 was the one that hit a truck and derailed, ending up 90 degrees to the track... I really like the MM&A; one of my favorite railroads, along with P&W, ATSF, FEC, Finger Lakes Railway, and a whole ton of others...

[Guilford Guy]

OH MY GAWD... GUILFORD IS BEATING THEM IN REPAINTS...

  Yeah, MMA is pretty spiffy!

[Railfan Alex]

Oh Boy we're talking of MMA! Their State of Maine "heritage" cars look really sharp, as does their only painted locomotive...

The cars look good, and so do the locomotives. Notice the plural!

They really have two painted: 8569 and 8592.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=233147&nseq=9

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=225953&nseq=29

Then there's this thing, 3000, kinda has some paint, well, not really, it's just a patch. This is the rebuild where they added bigger wheelsets, and added completely new electronics, so they relocated the coupler. Also, I like the patch, and how its the Montreal Maine & Atlantic R____ay.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=222383&nseq=39

[Guilford Guy]

What if... you had a diamond or bridge.... say a train came from where the furniture plant heading towards staging, at which point it would cross over the other line, wind down great, go under the line they were just on, and pop out by the snack food plant... Sort of liek tehachapi, but will get rid of the S curves, and provide a wider radius... I'll draw a plan on graph paper just a little cleaned up.

[WCfan]

You might want to fix the return loop at the end, with all the S curves... seriously, it will be a BIG PITA...

Yeah, that thing just will not fit. let me see, I think I figured it out.

You could do a wide radius curved sub yard with a wye at one end of the mountain...

[Packers#1]

You might want to fix the return loop at the end, with all the S curves... seriously, it will be a BIG PITA...

Yeah, that thing just will not fit. let me see, I think I figured it out.

EDIT: This ain't drawn to scale, but here's my basic new idea. be back l8r, going for a run.

[Guilford Guy]

You might want to fix the return loop at the end, with all the S curves... seriously, it will be a BIG PITA...

[WCfan]

81-89, hummm, if you really wanted SD45s you could pick up some Ex BN ones...and maybe a Ex BN F45...

BTW the track plan looks good to me!

[Packers#1]

Thanks folks. Well, the point is, I have a small branch line

Not really looking for critque, but if you see a dire problem, please tell me. This will be run w/ either a H-15-44, GP9, GP30, or some other roadswitcher. and of course, there's Altoona at the end of it, so GP38-2s, GP40-2s, SD40-2s, etc. will be going to the Conrail interchange or switching some industries as testing. This is 1981-89 people, so that's the era I've got to work w/. I can't wait for next summer.

[WCfan]

I was close Alex, lol.

Oh Boy we're talking of MMA! Their State of Maine "heritage" cars look really sharp, as does their only painted locomotive...

Reminds me of the WC scheme...humm maybe it has something to do with the companys President/CEO (Or what ever Ed is in that Company)...

[Guilford Guy]

Oh Boy we're talking of MMA! Their State of Maine "heritage" cars look really sharp, as does their only painted locomotive...

[Railfan Alex]

I'll try that. What I'm really after is an excuse to run some GP38/40s and U23Bs.

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Look at the Montréal Maine and Atlantic, they have BN U30Cs (I think) and ATSF U boats, and they operate in New England/Canada!

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Almost. MM&A has a couple GP7u's and a F3A all in storage, C30-7's, B23-7's, and B39-8's.

• GP7u's and F3A are ex. BAR
• C30-7's vary. Some are strait ex. BN, others are ex. FAIX, exx. CRL. and exxx. AT&SF.
• B23-7's are ex. BNSF, exx. AT&SF.
• B39-8's are ex. LMS.

[Guilford Guy]

In the 1980's/1990's Conrail began selling their U23B's. In the 1990's Guilford began selling their B&M/MEC GP40-2's/GP38-2's, and GP7/9's(and the 4 Chopnose GP18's). In the 80's Guilford owned the D&H. If you think about it. You could have a bridge line running on former Conrail Tracks, with an Interchange with D&H. So right away you have GP38's/40's and B23-7's. In the 90's Guilford sold off their Alco's, GE's, and SD's. Now you have RS11's, C424's, U18B's, U25B's, U33C's SD45's, and SD26's(ATSF rebuilt SD24's mad cool). In 1999 CSX took over conrail, and replaced the C30-7A's on the Boston line with AC4400's, AC6000's, and SD70MAC's. Now you have C30-7's. D&H came under control of CP. CP eventually began getting rid of their SD40-2's. There's your SD40-2's. So on a small line, interchanging with two railroads... you could get... RS11's, C424's, U18B's, U25B's, B23-7's, U33C's C30-7's, GP7/9's, GP38-2's, GP40-2's, SD26's, SD40-2's, and SD45's. That's a lot of power that could realisticly be bought by a shortline.

[WCfan]

I'll try that. What I'm really after is an excuse to run some GP38/40s and U23Bs.

You could probably get the U23Bs from anywhere. RR were most likely selling them off at a time, probably the early-mid 90s. So you could get them from CSX, ATSF, or what ever railroad you want that had U23Bs. WC got almost more than half of there fleet of SD45s from ATSF. So you could have equipment form every where. Look at the Montréal Maine and Atlantic, they have BN U30Cs (I think) and ATSF U boats, and they operate in New England/Canada! You can also have some old power too, another example would be the RF&P, they ran there GP35s on the point of TOFC trains right up until CSX bought them out, and then a few years after.

[WCfan]

Thanks. I'm not going to reinforce the frame yet. I still need to shop the frame a quater of an inch shorter. So that might be my next project, another one to make me sweat. But I won't cut the fame untill I get and apply the hood doors to a piece of stryene. If I screw up on cutting the frame, the whole project will be set back for a little while.

Right now I don't need anyparts. I just need to order them.

[Packers#1]

I'll try that. What I'm really after is an excuse to run some GP38/40s and U23Bs.

[Guilford Guy]

Looking good!

May I suggest reinforcing the rear section of the frame? You probably don't want it warping when gluing the hood sections on. If you need details I have far too many in my parts drawer. Dunno what I have anymore, haha.

[WCfan]

Humm, Sawyer what you could do is Google, "Conrail map" and see if you can find a Early 80s map right after they took over PC, and then find a later map before the CSX/NS take over. Then see the Branch lines they spun off.

Humm, flash removed. The earliest I can order the parts is Wenesday...so no work till then.

[Packers#1]

Renamed:

Pittsburgh, & New York. They operate a ton of spun off lines from pittsburgh to New York, connecting them w/ trackage agreements and their own main lines, and also connect to the towns of Erie and Cinncinati. Basically, no job to small, and they'll work till the job's done right, period.

[Guilford Guy]

So basically you're making a giant L, competing with the much larger conrail who runs on almost parallel routes? Dunno what you think of these names for an alternate routing from Indiana-Pittsburg, then Northwest towards Lake Erie and Canada... West Ontario, Ohio, & Pittsburg(Big Woop), Indiana, Lake Erie & Ontario, Pittsburg, Lakeville Ontario & Western (PLOW). You can always play train god and say Livonia Avon & Lakeville, Morristown & Erie, and Genesee Valley Transportation Family all merged together to form a mega Alco-Haul-Ick Road...

[Anonymous]

Pittsburgh & Erie...I like it!

I'm going to try to start learning to paint my own stuff, starting with a former Santa Fe caboose... Any tips?

[Packers#1]

how about the "Pittsburgh & Erie"? A small regional carrier that connects erie, Pittsburgh, and Altoona. Yeah, and they just bought some New Haven and maine central units and patched them. Thanks, Tyler.

[Anonymous]

Sawyer; if you're just modeling the branch line, you can mess with reality a little less and model one of Conrail's many branch line spin-offs. Pennsylvania is full of shortlines created when Conrail was selling off it's less profitable branch lines like crazy; I think it might be a little more accepted by the general populace, including myself, if you didn't eat up the NH. It's just going with my opinion that freelanced lines should be little shortlines on unwanted trackage... It's your decision completely of course.

Alex; I guess I'll pass on the SD45; I really don't need more units (especially mainline-only C-C units) anyway... Can't wait for the photos of 1750/1751! (I forgot what the number was again...)

[Packers#1]

If you were to model 80's-Present, Guilford began selling off the Alco's, GE's, and early GP's(even bigger power). If you model present day you could have a huge roster. Guilford departed with their C425's, RS11's, GP38's, GP38-2's, GP39-2's, GP40-2's, GP9's, GP7's, GP18's, SW1-9, S1-5, U18B's, U33C's, U30C's, U25B's, etc etc etc...

And yes, you can post the links.

Thanks. I'm modeling 1981-1989 (was going to be 1981, but moved to 81-89 for GE dash 8s). I'll probably have a few cNW units (patched), and a bunch of other patched units. I'll see what's available in N for Guiliford systems.

[Guilford Guy]

If you were to model 80's-Present, Guilford began selling off the Alco's, GE's, and early GP's(even bigger power). If you model present day you could have a huge roster. Guilford departed with their C425's, RS11's, GP38's, GP38-2's, GP39-2's, GP40-2's, GP9's, GP7's, GP18's, SW1-9, S1-5, U18B's, U33C's, U30C's, U25B's, etc etc etc...

And yes, you can post the links.

[Packers#1]

White River Southern runs from White River Junction Vt, to Concord NH. MEC got sort of near there. If you are merging with NH, at the time B&M and NH had the same presidents, so you might want to consider including in it, not to mention MEC and B&M had very strong ties, and you can't get to MEC without going through B&M.

Really, I sorta just took the New Haven and instead of having it merge with Penn central, have it merge w/ the Pittsburgh & Atlantic (sounds better w/ the and). Of course, B&M and MEC coulda gone to the P&NH instead of Guiliford Rail (maybe, IDK what to do [of course, the units would be patched, not repainted]). So as it stands, the P&NH have the Pittsburgh & Atlantic lines and the New Haven lines (dropping the Maine Central, I'll just say that P&NH bought some of Maine central's RS11s and patched them). My branch is former P&A track. Might put Altoona at the end of it, to have an excuse for running the state-of-the-art 1981 locos through, in all sorts of different paint schemes (and have them handle some switching duty as they're tested). GG, mind if I post the SP and DRGW tributes to another forum (just the links)?

[Guilford Guy]

I placed the order with walthers a couple hours ago. This should be the last materials I need to finish the project. Pix should be up by the end of the week. SD45 might be a little while, since I have a bunch of other projects. If I did do the SD45 it would have a price tag around 60$ or more.

[WCfan]

 

snip... and possibly an SD45 (probably ex-Santa Fe or SP) if Alex gets around to ordering it...

IMHO I'd have it eather Ex ATSF, or Ex BN. The SP beat there SD45s to the bone...the WC got a few, but most where parts. Not sure about the DRG&W SD45s, but I think they got the same treatment...

Sounds like a neat numbering system.

Well...I did it...I cut half of the long hood off my GP38, here is a pic. I think I might start a thread on this project.