QUOTE: Originally posted by UPFEF Is a 4 x 8 "Z"scale layout to small and constraining?
QUOTE: Originally posted by SpaceMouse The second picture shows a nook that might be hard to deal with if you go strictly with the perimeter. I think that is what he is referring to.
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
QUOTE: Originally posted by BRAKIE Originally posted by SpaceMouse Chip we will start with that nook..Then we have want appears to be a closet door..Now if that closet is like the average closet no way will we get that door to swing in because most closets I have seen isn't big enough to walk in let along open a door into the closet space. I thought from the way he talked that we were looking at 2 passage doors, but... Remember who we are dealing with here. Holes can be poked (and fixed later). He thinks in terms of staging. So you pull the door and put the staging in the closet. Chip Building the Rock Ridge Railroad with the slowest construction crew west of the Pecos. Reply BRAKIE Member sinceOctober 2001 From: OH 17,574 posts Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, December 23, 2005 9:42 AM Chip,That would work but,I would still opt for the "L" shape layout with staging.. Larry Conductor. Summerset Ry. "Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!" Reply SpaceMouse Member sinceDecember 2004 From: Rimrock, Arizona 11,251 posts Posted by SpaceMouse on Friday, December 23, 2005 9:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BRAKIE Chip,That would work but,I would still opt for the "L" shape layout with staging.. Maybe we should get his floor plan and whip something up for him. [:D] Chip Building the Rock Ridge Railroad with the slowest construction crew west of the Pecos. Reply jeffers_mz Member sinceNovember 2005 1,223 posts Posted by jeffers_mz on Friday, December 23, 2005 10:39 AM Don, are you suggesting that women can't appreciate trains in the dining room and a woodshop in the kitchen? Brakie, you're right, swinging the door in would cost six feet of shelf and clothes hangar space, and wouldn't open all the way even then because the closet is 24 inches deep. I think that's a 2-4 door. The closet's currently full of the kid's camping gear also. Every closet, and just about every lineal foot of wall space in the whole house is either full now or spoken for. There's an eight foot couch I could hang shelves above, but most of that is window, otherwise, the place is full up. The good news is that I talked to my neighbor last night. He owns a Case 4400 Extend-a-Hoe, and I'm first in line for him to dig the footers for the pole barn when the ground thaws come spring. By Christmas of 2006, space issues for the trains, the studio, the camping gear, and the servers shouldn't be a problem any more. Chip, I've thought of running a spur through the left wall in the first pic, to display staging on the bookshelves on the other side, but that was when I still thought I could get away with stacking the layout under a bunk bed. Regarding bigger holes in other walls, one time we showed up on a jobsite around 1 pm, with orders to gut the existing residence to a bare shell inside. Sheetrock on the exterior walls and the center bearing wall were to stay, everything else must go, and the owners were living in it while we were to do the work. Around three o clock, the salesman who had sold the job showed up, took a look at our progress ( we were nearly finished) , and pulled me outside. He said he charged them two grand for the demo, that we were making him look real bad knocking it out in two hours, and asked us to please slow down. No, if holes are needed, that won't be a problem. :-) That's it for me. Break time's over. Less than 10 more more presents to wrap, then dishes, vacuuming and laundry will run me till time to pick the kids up this afternoon, and from there till Sunday night, the madness will rule to the point I doubt I'll be online. Monday I'll be catching up on sleep, so if I don't see you all till Tuesday, have a good Christmas. Reply John Busby Member sinceApril 2005 From: West Australia 2,217 posts Posted by John Busby on Friday, December 23, 2005 10:46 AM Hi all I notice a lot of people referring to flat layouts on sheets of ply wood BEEEP!! fail[:D] You have no chance of building a proper layout on a flat sheet of ply it is a pain in the[censored] when you want scenery below track height Far better to use open frame bench work of some type so scenery can go above and below track easily You only need a solid ply base under towns and track etc so it is also possible to vary the track height if needed as well as the scenery. There also seems to be a lack of imagination in some of the replies perhaps that is bought on by having too much space to play with[:D] The term model railway and the word finished don't belong in the same sentence. A model railway may be completed but it is never finished there is always something that can be done to improve it or if space permits be added to. regards John Reply BRAKIE Member sinceOctober 2001 From: OH 17,574 posts Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, December 23, 2005 12:00 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by John Busby Hi all I notice a lot of people referring to flat layouts on sheets of ply wood BEEEP!! fail[:D] You have no chance of building a proper layout on a flat sheet of ply it is a pain in the[censored] when you want scenery below track height Far better to use open frame bench work of some type so scenery can go above and below track easily You only need a solid ply base under towns and track etc so it is also possible to vary the track height if needed as well as the scenery. There also seems to be a lack of imagination in some of the replies perhaps that is bought on by having too much space to play with[:D] The term model railway and the word finished don't belong in the same sentence. A model railway may be completed but it is never finished there is always something that can be done to improve it or if space permits be added to. regards John John,By using a piece of 4x8 foam you can have that scenery below the track height you talk about.. Is there a rule stating that all layouts must have mountains or scenery below the track height ? Layouts come in many flavors last time I looked.[:D] As far as a layout never being finish our club layout been finish since 94..[:D] I have finish several industrial switching layouts over the years and 1 N Scale hollow core door layout.. Larry Conductor. Summerset Ry. "Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!" Reply Don Gibson Member sinceJune 2004 From: Pacific Northwest 3,864 posts Posted by Don Gibson on Friday, December 23, 2005 6:42 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by jeffers_mz Don, are you suggesting that women can't appreciate trains in the dining room and a woodshop in the kitchen? YOU NEED TO ASK? Your wife's been gone a long time, hasn't she. Don Gibson .............. ________ _______ I I__()____||__| ||||| I / I ((|__|----------| | |||||||||| I ______ I // o--O O O O-----o o OO-------OO ########################### Reply John Busby Member sinceApril 2005 From: West Australia 2,217 posts Posted by John Busby on Friday, December 23, 2005 9:43 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BRAKIE QUOTE: Originally posted by John Busby Hi all I notice a lot of people referring to flat layouts on sheets of ply wood BEEEP!! fail[:D] You have no chance of building a proper layout on a flat sheet of ply it is a pain in the[censored] when you want scenery below track height Far better to use open frame bench work of some type so scenery can go above and below track easily You only need a solid ply base under towns and track etc so it is also possible to vary the track height if needed as well as the scenery. There also seems to be a lack of imagination in some of the replies perhaps that is bought on by having too much space to play with[:D] The term model railway and the word finished don't belong in the same sentence. A model railway may be completed but it is never finished there is always something that can be done to improve it or if space permits be added to. regards John John,By using a piece of 4x8 foam you can have that scenery below the track height you talk about.. Is there a rule stating that all layouts must have mountains or scenery below the track height ? Layouts come in many flavors last time I looked.[:D] Hi BRAKIE No rule as such but you just have to travel a couple of miles down the track in the town you live in ( I assuming there is a railway there) to realise the the so called flat ground just isn't flat and that the undulations go below the track level even if its only the cess. And that there are small cuts and banks that the railway travels on and through. the effect of the rising and falling ground looks a lot better that a billiard table flat layout. We are not talking mountains and valleys hear just undulations up to but not over 1" in HO scale and mostly in the 1/2 to 3/4 inch range at that. Give it time and some one will find something to change improve or add to the club layout some one always does[:D] Where the industrial layouts truly finished or did you just decide it was time for a change[:D] was there absolutely nothing that could be added or improved. regards John Reply BRAKIE Member sinceOctober 2001 From: OH 17,574 posts Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:31 AM John,,There are exceptions ..I can show you a urban industrial branch that is as flat as a pancake for miles no bridges,no hills and lacks normal road bed. I can happily report NS an the CFE both run through town..[:D] Larry Conductor. Summerset Ry. "Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:19 PM You can still build a 4x8 or 5x8,10, layout without the"around & around" effect. Just run 3 staging tracks on the back straight-away,behind a backdrop,(using curved switches on the corners to make each staging track long enough to hold a train). Then you can run three different trains through the front scene & in different directions & still get spur tracks through the middle for switching. Just a thought. Reply Edit « First«1234567 Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! 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Originally posted by SpaceMouse Chip we will start with that nook..Then we have want appears to be a closet door..Now if that closet is like the average closet no way will we get that door to swing in because most closets I have seen isn't big enough to walk in let along open a door into the closet space.
Chip
Building the Rock Ridge Railroad with the slowest construction crew west of the Pecos.
QUOTE: Originally posted by BRAKIE Chip,That would work but,I would still opt for the "L" shape layout with staging..
QUOTE: Originally posted by John Busby Hi all I notice a lot of people referring to flat layouts on sheets of ply wood BEEEP!! fail[:D] You have no chance of building a proper layout on a flat sheet of ply it is a pain in the[censored] when you want scenery below track height Far better to use open frame bench work of some type so scenery can go above and below track easily You only need a solid ply base under towns and track etc so it is also possible to vary the track height if needed as well as the scenery. There also seems to be a lack of imagination in some of the replies perhaps that is bought on by having too much space to play with[:D] The term model railway and the word finished don't belong in the same sentence. A model railway may be completed but it is never finished there is always something that can be done to improve it or if space permits be added to. regards John
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeffers_mz Don, are you suggesting that women can't appreciate trains in the dining room and a woodshop in the kitchen?
QUOTE: Originally posted by BRAKIE QUOTE: Originally posted by John Busby Hi all I notice a lot of people referring to flat layouts on sheets of ply wood BEEEP!! fail[:D] You have no chance of building a proper layout on a flat sheet of ply it is a pain in the[censored] when you want scenery below track height Far better to use open frame bench work of some type so scenery can go above and below track easily You only need a solid ply base under towns and track etc so it is also possible to vary the track height if needed as well as the scenery. There also seems to be a lack of imagination in some of the replies perhaps that is bought on by having too much space to play with[:D] The term model railway and the word finished don't belong in the same sentence. A model railway may be completed but it is never finished there is always something that can be done to improve it or if space permits be added to. regards John John,By using a piece of 4x8 foam you can have that scenery below the track height you talk about.. Is there a rule stating that all layouts must have mountains or scenery below the track height ? Layouts come in many flavors last time I looked.[:D]